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Posted on 10/17/15 at 12:29 am to CtotheVrzrbck
Posted on 10/17/15 at 12:29 am to CtotheVrzrbck
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Honestly, if this game is decided in the 4th, goes down to the final minutes.
Who do you think has the edge. Gus or Bielema?
As much as it pains me to say this, it's Gus and it isn't close.
Gus actually has his fair share of late game wins, granted that a few are to patsies and others (notably Bama and Georgia in 2013) were sheer dumb luck, but it's undeniable there's a clear gap there when you factor in our consistent late game struggles the last 2 years.
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Posted on 10/17/15 at 7:04 am to hawgfaninc
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When we lose to Auburn
Posted on 10/17/15 at 9:05 am to hawgfaninc
Lol at this thread. Bert's soldiers getting the excuses ready.
When have we ever been more "talented" than auburn? They are always going to out-recruit us over a 4-year period. I guess we should be OK with losing every game ever to them.
When have we ever been more "talented" than auburn? They are always going to out-recruit us over a 4-year period. I guess we should be OK with losing every game ever to them.
Posted on 10/17/15 at 12:44 pm to Litigator
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The larger question which looms is IF we were to somehow win this game would you and the couple of others I've seen finally be able to lose that sig pic you've been compelled to sport around the last couple of years?
yes
Posted on 10/17/15 at 12:50 pm to The Sultan of Swine
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Bert's soldiers getting the excuses ready.
just stating facts brochacho
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When have we ever been more "talented" than auburn? They are always going to out-recruit us over a 4-year period. I guess we should be OK with losing every game ever to them.
not sure we've ever out talented them, but we've certainly had more talent and depth on teams that have beaten Auburn.
our team this year is lacking in both, more so in the depth department.
Posted on 10/17/15 at 3:23 pm to hawgfaninc
What about last year to lsu and Ole miss. Did we have better depth than them at the time? And if we don't have depth by now who's fault is that? Berts had 3 years to build depth that's enough to build depth. If we didn't have depth why can we only sign 16 people this year because of lack of attrition? I mean that is an exact sign of depth, or supposed depth at least. Now I support beilama, I believe we will beat auburn I do not know why you'd be making excuses for a loss that hasn't happened and probably won't happen.
Posted on 10/17/15 at 4:04 pm to swhog355
He's basically saying that if we get our shite pushed in by the rebels, then Fuente and Memphis have recruited better than us and has "the right" team in place to compete in the SEC. Obviously, we need to pace our expectations since we can't compete so well so soon like Memphis.
3 years. 5 years. 7....
The schtick is old from these guys.
3 years. 5 years. 7....
The schtick is old from these guys.
Posted on 10/17/15 at 5:12 pm to swhog355
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What about last year to lsu and Ole miss. Did we have better depth than them at the time?
no. those two SEC wins were outliers in the data.
LSU was reeling from their loss to bama and ole miss had just lost treadwell. make no mistake, we were rebuilding then and we're still rebuilding
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And if we don't have depth by now who's fault is that?
injuries and petrino recruiting classes
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Berts had 3 years to build depth
2 years. his first class doesn't count since he didn't have time to develop relationships
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Now I support beilama, I believe we will beat auburn I do not know why you'd be making excuses for a loss that hasn't happened and probably won't happen.
too many people were saying this game vs Auburn is a guaranteed win for us when we're still having to deal with issues beyond Bert's control. i.e. injuries and lack of depth.
people are wanting us to be ahead of the 4 or 5 year rebuild schedule Bert undertook, when we're not.
Posted on 10/17/15 at 5:21 pm to hawgfaninc
Damn man auburn is not a good football team I hope you know that. They are worse than both the sec teams we beat last year. And what about toledo heating us, did they have better depth? And what about Ole miss and Memphis today? What would you say about that?
Posted on 10/17/15 at 5:25 pm to hoginthesw
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He's basically saying that if we get our shite pushed in by the rebels, then Fuente and Memphis have recruited better than us and has "the right" team in place to compete in the SEC. Obviously, we need to pace our expectations since we can't compete so well so soon like Memphis.
3 years. 5 years. 7....
The schtick is old from these guys.
what I'm saying is if we beat auburn that doesn't mean we're ahead of the rebuild schedule and if we lose that doesn't mean we're behind the rebuild schedule. Bert is still on the 4 or 5 year rebuild schedule he has been on since his first season
and there are many other factors besides recruiting that affects whether a team wins or loses. like ole miss being memphis's super bowl and memphis having a NFL QB. Arkansas is still dealing with the same issues they've been dealing with all season. Issues that realistically can affect if we win the game vs Auburn or not. Those issues don't go away just because Auburn isn't playing very good.
Posted on 10/17/15 at 5:28 pm to hawgfaninc
San Jose state ran for over 180 against auburn, lsu rushing stats are gaudy against auburn. Jacksonville state nearly beat them. One game like that is a fluke more than one is a pattern. There defense is bad, period. They've been bad all year and they will continue to be bad. We should run all over them. If you think otherwise you haven't been paying attention to college football this year.
Posted on 10/17/15 at 5:30 pm to swhog355
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Damn man auburn is not a good football team I hope you know that. They are worse than both the sec teams we beat last year.
they've still got more star talent than we do.
if they're not utilizing that star talent and they lose to us, then Gus is to blame.
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And what about toledo heating us, did they have better depth? And what about Ole miss and Memphis today? What would you say about that?
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and there are many other factors besides recruiting that affects whether a team wins or loses. like ole miss being memphis's super bowl and memphis having a NFL QB. Arkansas is still dealing with the same issues they've been dealing with all season. Issues that realistically can affect if we win the game vs Auburn or not. Those issues don't go away just because Auburn isn't playing very good.
plus we were toledo's super bowl
Posted on 10/17/15 at 5:37 pm to hawgfaninc
Stars are only a talent projection. Obviously the stars haven't payed off. Whether it be because of gus or whomever is a different discussion, but the facts are auburns defense doesn't have much talent because it's been proven on the field.
Posted on 10/17/15 at 6:54 pm to swhog355
It is what it is. ALMOST ALWAYS at least 3 or 4 teams on our schedule will have better depth and more talent than we do. Doesn't mean we can't beat them with better execution and a great game plan. But we will have to do more with a little less (as far as talent and depth) most seasons.
Posted on 10/17/15 at 7:00 pm to WonderWartHawg
I totally agree with you. But auburn isn't one of those teams that has better talent than us this year IMO.
Posted on 10/17/15 at 7:10 pm to swhog355
I agree. it is dumbfounding that some of you think we will lose to auburn. 98 is what thier offense ranks.... 98 is what thier defense ranks. they are abysmal on both sides of the ball. they beat a horrid Kentucky team and you guys just look at thier overall record and say we will lose... wow just wow
Posted on 10/17/15 at 7:26 pm to presidenthog
The fact of the matter is we as fans have gone from wait until next year to wait until 2 years from now. Our current class (as is) is our lowest in the last 10 years and our average classes are lower than Nutt under Bielema.
As far as coaching them up goes, he had coached them up to back to back last place finishes in the west.
As far as coaching them up goes, he had coached them up to back to back last place finishes in the west.
Posted on 10/17/15 at 7:38 pm to RocktownHog52
this class will seem bad due to #s. we are addressing our needs but we need better LBs. we need some running backs and tackles as well. if we get those and get quality guys I am happy with the Dline men we got. we have a true class of Dline beasts. I don't think we will be last this year either. let it play out and then let's bitch. until then I can see flaws but I also see some bright spots. if we meet our needs in recruiting and we win the games I think we will, none of what you said will matter.
Posted on 10/17/15 at 8:05 pm to presidenthog
The "we will lose to Auburn" crowd seems to forget that they don't have a reliable QB whatsoever, nor do they have an even decent defense. They won't be able to pick our D apart through the air (which is our D's weakness), and their RBs are average (our D's strength). As bad as the Bama game looked score-wise, our D actually played a damn good game, and Auburn's offense isn't firing on all cylinders like Bama's.
I'm liking our chances against OM and Miss St. more and more as the weeks pass too. LSU might murder us after last season.
I'm liking our chances against OM and Miss St. more and more as the weeks pass too. LSU might murder us after last season.
Posted on 10/17/15 at 8:25 pm to RazorBroncs
something is wrong with florida. I like that we play lsu after thier superbowl. they might lose and come out flat against us. our run defense is good so we might hold LF in check. we will see what happens. right now it being on the road hurts and pay back is a bitch but I can see a way we can win that game
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