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Posted on 10/8/17 at 11:22 am to STLhog
Posted on 10/8/17 at 11:22 am to STLhog
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Same way we’re about to stomach 1 or 2 SEC wins
That's my point
Leach had an abysmal record his first 3 years and he dropped a game to an in state FCS team in year 5 with his players. Still isn't .500 in conference in year 6
If firing Bert, how about somebody that wins 10-11 in year 1?
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Posted on 10/8/17 at 12:38 pm to DaleDenton
Even bo has begun to criticize and question Bert. Not over the top, but I've heard him begin questioning him.
Posted on 10/8/17 at 1:00 pm to russellvillehog
Bo is still saying "Arkansas should have won 9 games last year." I heard him say it just last week, and he's probably said it a hundred times in the past year. He says the close losses to Mizzou and Virginia Tech should have been wins.
I've never heard him once apply this logic to our close wins. You could just as easily say Arkansas should have only won 5 games last year, because we needed miracles to beat La Tech and TCU. Bo hasn't ever said this because his head is up Bert's arse.
I've never heard him once apply this logic to our close wins. You could just as easily say Arkansas should have only won 5 games last year, because we needed miracles to beat La Tech and TCU. Bo hasn't ever said this because his head is up Bert's arse.
This post was edited on 10/8/17 at 1:02 pm
Posted on 10/8/17 at 1:35 pm to DaleDenton
Waiting 5 years is not the definition of "instant gratification".
Posted on 10/8/17 at 1:39 pm to Stonehog
Yes he is not being over the top critical, but he has said flat out that it is not working out here.
Posted on 10/8/17 at 1:47 pm to Stonehog
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should have been wins.
I hate when people say this. Why exactly "should" Va Tech have been a win? Because their points came in the 2nd half? Last I checked touchdowns are worth the same in the 2nd half as the first.
I can understand saying '09 UF should've been a win, since the team actually did enough for it to be a win with competent refs. But Mizzou and Va tech both beat Arkansas on the field.
Posted on 10/8/17 at 4:08 pm to The Sultan of Swine
well it is getting past time for something, anything to change.
There has to be some "blood letting" soon to keep the wolves at bay.
The piper has to be paid, this is ridiculous to watch, see, travel and pay for.
Leach, would be a fun ride, but I am not sure his personality and success would translate to NW Arkansas.
I like Morris too. But I am still hearing that barring an absolute collapse CBB is here another season. What exactly is the definition of "total collapse" that I am not sure of.
It seemingly collapses a little more every week.
There has to be some "blood letting" soon to keep the wolves at bay.
The piper has to be paid, this is ridiculous to watch, see, travel and pay for.
Leach, would be a fun ride, but I am not sure his personality and success would translate to NW Arkansas.
I like Morris too. But I am still hearing that barring an absolute collapse CBB is here another season. What exactly is the definition of "total collapse" that I am not sure of.
It seemingly collapses a little more every week.
Posted on 10/8/17 at 4:18 pm to Razorback Reverend
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But I am still hearing that barring an absolute collapse CBB is here another season. What exactly is the definition of "total collapse" that I am not sure of.
I think that collapse may be coming.
We've lost our last 5 against P5 opponents and have the cream of the SEC West coming up. This team has only begun to quit.
Ole Miss will be the tipping point, one way or another. We'll in all likelihood be 2-5 heading to Oxford. The question will be which team has more quit in it? Lose that one and we're probably 0-fer in the SEC this year.
This post was edited on 10/8/17 at 4:19 pm
Posted on 10/8/17 at 4:40 pm to Feral
The biggest problem Bert has is team identity. He talks smash mouth, but hires Dan Enos as OC.
Oline now can't run block or pass block.
Trying to out Bama Bama....ain't working. If we stay within 50 next week it'll only be due to some strange mercy on Saban's part (don't expect it).
I'm afraid (and I don't like it) that the only way we'll compete in the SEC is to go spread RPO Petrino/Leach/Herman style. Why? We just won't ever have the horses to line up and whip the top tier teams. This year we can't line up and whip anyone.
We might fool them once in a while.
Of course...we'll need a defense. But our D certainly wasn't the problem yesterday.
Oline now can't run block or pass block.
Trying to out Bama Bama....ain't working. If we stay within 50 next week it'll only be due to some strange mercy on Saban's part (don't expect it).
I'm afraid (and I don't like it) that the only way we'll compete in the SEC is to go spread RPO Petrino/Leach/Herman style. Why? We just won't ever have the horses to line up and whip the top tier teams. This year we can't line up and whip anyone.
We might fool them once in a while.
Of course...we'll need a defense. But our D certainly wasn't the problem yesterday.
Posted on 10/8/17 at 5:34 pm to Rzrbackguy
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I'm afraid (and I don't like it) that the only way we'll compete in the SEC is to go spread RPO Petrino/Leach/Herman style. Why? We just won't ever have the horses to line up and whip the top tier teams. This year we can't line up and whip anyone.
Most everyone is going to RPO type of system. It shouldn't be something to be "afraid" of. It is the way the game is going and is the way smart coaches are coaching.
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Trying to out Bama Bama....
Including these guys
Thats the difference between Dumplin' and Saban...Saban is smart enough to evolve but Dumplin' isn't. Alabama very rarely lines up in I formations or two TE sets any longer and haven't in the last 3 or so years.
Arkansas is the only true pro style offense left in the league, period.
Posted on 10/8/17 at 5:39 pm to admiralduckwad
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Leach had an abysmal record his first 3 years and he dropped a game to an in state FCS team in year 5 with his players. Still isn't .500 in conference in year 6
If firing Bert, how about somebody that wins 10-11 in year 1?
Wazzu's program was straight shite when Leach took over. Very close to the worst in FBS to be honest.
The 8 years prior to Leach arriving, Wazzu had a 29-66 record.
Posted on 10/8/17 at 6:51 pm to Hawgeye
We might get someone out of Leach's tree, but Leach isn't coming to Arkansas. What makes anyone think it's even a possibility?
I watched several videos of Leach, talking to his players, and about his players. I don't think it's nearly as much about the style he plays as the way he works his players. There is a video of him in the locker room after a win, and you would have thought he was our coach, who just lost to South Carolina.
I don't know how Petrino was, but I picture him much the same way. So, we've had an arse kicker for a coach for what, 3 or 4 years over the last 20?
What if we played big boy football, with an arse kicker type coach? Petrino had it all, except for a defense. That's the kind of success we all want isn't it?
I'll say, I don't want the spread. We are always going to face what are amond the best defenses in college football. 5 or 6 three and out offensive posessions and you're done. It's why Petrino got blown out by Bama and LSU regularly.
I watched several videos of Leach, talking to his players, and about his players. I don't think it's nearly as much about the style he plays as the way he works his players. There is a video of him in the locker room after a win, and you would have thought he was our coach, who just lost to South Carolina.
I don't know how Petrino was, but I picture him much the same way. So, we've had an arse kicker for a coach for what, 3 or 4 years over the last 20?
What if we played big boy football, with an arse kicker type coach? Petrino had it all, except for a defense. That's the kind of success we all want isn't it?
I'll say, I don't want the spread. We are always going to face what are amond the best defenses in college football. 5 or 6 three and out offensive posessions and you're done. It's why Petrino got blown out by Bama and LSU regularly.
Posted on 10/8/17 at 7:04 pm to troyt37
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I watched several videos of Leach, talking to his players, and about his players. I don't think it's nearly as much about the style he plays as the way he works his players. There is a video of him in the locker room after a win, and you would have thought he was our coach, who just lost to South Carolina.
Leach ranting at his team after beating Baylor
This was after the Baylor game in 2009, a game Texas Tech won 20-13. Oddly enough, this was Leach's final game as the TT head coach before being fired on December 30.
This post was edited on 10/8/17 at 7:09 pm
Posted on 10/8/17 at 7:19 pm to Feral
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This was after the Baylor game in 2009, a game Texas Tech won 20-13. Oddly enough, this was Leach's final game as the TT head coach before being fired on December 30.
That's one of a few I saw. After a win. If we've ever had a coach like that, it was Petrino.
Posted on 10/8/17 at 7:20 pm to Hawgnsincebirth55
If Long is here, Leach will be a candidate. He contacted him when we hired Petrino.
Posted on 10/8/17 at 7:39 pm to Woopigsooie20
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If Long is here, Leach will be a candidate. He contacted him when we hired Petrino.
I wouldn't be against Leach, I just don't see it at all. In '08-'09 Leach was 8 or 9 years into his run at Tech. He now has Washington State humming along, his eccentricities fit right in out west, and in the PAC 12, I can't imagine why he would want to come fight the SEC every week.
I know I would rather ride high where I am, with a good chance to make the playoffs every year, than to fight Bama, LSU, Georgia, Florida, Tennessee, and Auburn for that one spot. For an extra 1-2 million I don't need? Not me.
Posted on 10/8/17 at 9:16 pm to Woopigsooie20
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If Long is here, Leach will be a candidate. He contacted him when we hired Petrino.
I am not against this at all, but I call crap on this thought for only one reason. Not that you know this, but that his "do things the right way" mantra and the "Uncommon" crap and blah, blah, blah...
He hated the way Bobby P treated people, as did many of BP's staff. They all walked on egg shells. He was the king and everyone else could kiss his.....
Bowl officials, assistants, his secretaries, the players, everyone....
Leach displays a lot of that same personality. I have no problem with toughness for the players with reason... but this stuff shouldn't exist the way BP did it.
Posted on 10/8/17 at 9:30 pm to DaleDenton
My thoughts FWIW.
I choose #1 Dale
This is Bert's 2nd stop as HC. Obviously Alvarez set up fat arse with some good recruiting when the Big1G sucked arse. He was gifted Monte Ball, Russell Wilson and a few more.
It's a bit like what Smile was gifted with the exception that Bert has a bit more football knowledge than JLS.
In year 5 Bert's ability to coach in a P5 conference is taking a major hit, albeit in the SEC West.
I suspect and hope that at seasons end, he looks for work in the NFL, as his P5 hopes may have fell through the cracks with his shitty record at tUofA.
Maybe he could replace Mark Hutson, and Arkansas man at Cleveland.
Bert's ego and HC record will take a major hit if he stay's another year here.
Head north to the NFL Bert and save us the $$$$$$!
I choose #1 Dale
This is Bert's 2nd stop as HC. Obviously Alvarez set up fat arse with some good recruiting when the Big1G sucked arse. He was gifted Monte Ball, Russell Wilson and a few more.
It's a bit like what Smile was gifted with the exception that Bert has a bit more football knowledge than JLS.
In year 5 Bert's ability to coach in a P5 conference is taking a major hit, albeit in the SEC West.
I suspect and hope that at seasons end, he looks for work in the NFL, as his P5 hopes may have fell through the cracks with his shitty record at tUofA.
Maybe he could replace Mark Hutson, and Arkansas man at Cleveland.
Bert's ego and HC record will take a major hit if he stay's another year here.
Head north to the NFL Bert and save us the $$$$$$!
Posted on 10/8/17 at 9:44 pm to troyt37
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That's one of a few I saw. After a win. If we've ever had a coach like that, it was Petrino.
I loved the part where he's ranting about the team living in last week. Someone needs to rip that off and rant at Bert and this team about their inability to string together two consecutive decent weeks.
Leach's "last week" rant to his team:
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Did we beat a team [Oklahoma] last week that is gonna put a bunch of draft picks in the NFL? Yeah we did, BUT THAT WAS LAST frickING WEEK. That wasn't this week, THAT WAS LAST...frickING...WEEK. LAST frickING WEEK. And then we come out here and think we're too good to play Baylor this week. frick us.
This post was edited on 10/9/17 at 6:14 am
Posted on 10/30/17 at 9:20 pm to DaleDenton
maybe more time and our investment in bert pays off. imo it's time to cut bait in move on. but if we do at the end of the season, the what if we hadn't and he had success here thought process takes place.
so the question jeff must ask is 'are berts short comings as a coach sufficient to warrant a firing, or is there enough there to give hope of success here in the near future'
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