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Society of Instant Gratification
Posted on 10/8/17 at 1:37 am
Posted on 10/8/17 at 1:37 am
That is what we live in today, everyone knows it, some have an issue realizing it.
Currently there are 3 scenarios that will play out, none of which involve firing Bert at this time or before the end of the season. Fact is there is no benefit in doing so, the job was known to be open for 8 months prior to hiring Bert to begin with. Need more proof? LSU fired Miles way before the end of the season and the best they could do was the D-line coach already on staff as a replacement.
1. Bert takes his notice to find a new job to heart and does so. His brand as a FBS coach has taken a hit, the only redeeming value would be to rally the troops and finish the year strong in order of landing a decent job at the FBS level. (see Houston Nutt post Tennessee loss 2007) Maybe he even believes he can save is job with a decent enough finish and makes in season staff changes.
2. Bert is outright fired, But wait there's more!
It isn't a 15 million dollar doomsday, his buyout drops to 11 mill Janua20 days and coach his team in their bowl game before leaving there for here or Bert can admit the obvious he didn't uphold his end of the bargain and renegotiate his buyout to "resign" to spend time with his new family and take a year to land a new job.
3. Doomsday scenario, Jeff Long says frick it and frick you, takes the Nebraska job and leaves his replacement to handle Bert, his contract, and eventual replacement.
This is where we are, according to Unc and the money, IMO we are heading towards scenario #2 but could easily end up with #3 if volunteers to cover entire buyout over 5 years continue to put stipulations that include hiring "their guy" that range from High School coaches to coaches in their mid-60s who have past NCAA trouble looming over the heads even if they were "innocent"...
ps I'm sure city wide wes will be here to dispute it as he naively thinks a donor in Dallas and/or NWA has less clout than then the pennies thrown form LR who answers his phone when he calls at any hour of the day/night.
Currently there are 3 scenarios that will play out, none of which involve firing Bert at this time or before the end of the season. Fact is there is no benefit in doing so, the job was known to be open for 8 months prior to hiring Bert to begin with. Need more proof? LSU fired Miles way before the end of the season and the best they could do was the D-line coach already on staff as a replacement.
1. Bert takes his notice to find a new job to heart and does so. His brand as a FBS coach has taken a hit, the only redeeming value would be to rally the troops and finish the year strong in order of landing a decent job at the FBS level. (see Houston Nutt post Tennessee loss 2007) Maybe he even believes he can save is job with a decent enough finish and makes in season staff changes.
2. Bert is outright fired, But wait there's more!
It isn't a 15 million dollar doomsday, his buyout drops to 11 mill Janua20 days and coach his team in their bowl game before leaving there for here or Bert can admit the obvious he didn't uphold his end of the bargain and renegotiate his buyout to "resign" to spend time with his new family and take a year to land a new job.
3. Doomsday scenario, Jeff Long says frick it and frick you, takes the Nebraska job and leaves his replacement to handle Bert, his contract, and eventual replacement.
This is where we are, according to Unc and the money, IMO we are heading towards scenario #2 but could easily end up with #3 if volunteers to cover entire buyout over 5 years continue to put stipulations that include hiring "their guy" that range from High School coaches to coaches in their mid-60s who have past NCAA trouble looming over the heads even if they were "innocent"...
ps I'm sure city wide wes will be here to dispute it as he naively thinks a donor in Dallas and/or NWA has less clout than then the pennies thrown form LR who answers his phone when he calls at any hour of the day/night.
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Posted on 10/8/17 at 6:13 am to DaleDenton
I'm sure Bert is instantly gratified every time he deposits his paycheck.
Job performance, by any standard, probably even yours Dale....is not being met.
The way and timing of his departure is all there is to debate now.
And we paid for this. We paid WELL for this. Fact is, Bert is worse every year, as are his teams and I'm pretty sure you well know the reason why since you seem pretty informed.
Job performance, by any standard, probably even yours Dale....is not being met.
The way and timing of his departure is all there is to debate now.
And we paid for this. We paid WELL for this. Fact is, Bert is worse every year, as are his teams and I'm pretty sure you well know the reason why since you seem pretty informed.
Posted on 10/8/17 at 6:54 am to DaleDenton
I don’t think many people are saying let’s fire him and do it in a way that most negatively affects us. I think folks are fed up and want him gone, but they also want a decent replacement without doing further damage to the program.
I almost think you just wanted to lecture on the problems of instant gratification in society.
I almost think you just wanted to lecture on the problems of instant gratification in society.
Posted on 10/8/17 at 7:12 am to Pigimus Prime
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I don’t think many people are saying let’s fire him and do it in a way that most negatively affects us. I think folks are fed up and want him gone, but they also want a decent replacement without doing further damage to the program.
I almost think you just wanted to lecture on the problems of instant gratification in society.
I don't want him fired mid-season barring an inexplicable loss to Coastal Carolina, though Long doesn't have the balls to do that anyway.
I just want the ball rolling on him being gone at the end of the regular season, and I would hope feelers are being put out to prospective coaches' agents or third parties.
Posted on 10/8/17 at 7:17 am to Feral
*cough* Mike leach *cough*
Posted on 10/8/17 at 7:51 am to Hawgnsincebirth55
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*cough* Mike leach *cough*
Posted on 10/8/17 at 7:54 am to Hawgnsincebirth55
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cough* Mike leach *cough*
Please make it happen.
Posted on 10/8/17 at 8:02 am to Feral
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I don't want him fired mid-season barring an inexplicable loss to Coastal Carolina, though Long doesn't have the balls to do that anyway.
I just want the ball rolling on him being gone at the end of the regular season, and I would hope feelers are being put out to prospective coaches' agents or third parties.
Indeed. Instant gratification implies that in the first quarter of Bert's first game his first year we all decided to fire him.
This is year 5. The fan base was fairly solidly behind him, even though we recognized his faults, after year 3. We underachieved in year 4 and and he lost a lot of support. We are seriously underachieving this season and with Missouri and Ole Miss both showing signs of life there is the legitimate chance we could finish the season without a win in the SEC.
During one of the worst years for SEC football since the 90's.
Barring a miracle turn around he's done like dinner. The results just aren't there for the money we are spending. The team is not competitive with teams of equal talent. We've waited and he's still not working out. He finishes off this year and then we look for someone else.
Posted on 10/8/17 at 8:07 am to Hawgnsincebirth55
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*cough* Mike leach *cough*
I think he would be a great hire for us.
Posted on 10/8/17 at 8:08 am to razorbackfan4life
Why leave Washington St, and if you did, why not go A&M or Tennessee?
Seriously, if you rebuilt a program and got them undefeated why would you leave?
He doesn't need money
Seriously, if you rebuilt a program and got them undefeated why would you leave?
He doesn't need money
Posted on 10/8/17 at 8:28 am to admiralduckwad
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Why leave Washington St, and if you did, why not go A&M or Tennessee?
Seriously, if you rebuilt a program and got them undefeated why would you leave?
He doesn't need money
Why leave Wisconsin for Arkansas, especially on the heels of winning three straight Big Ten titles?
Bert didn't need money either, especially considering his initial compensation here was close to what he was making at Wisconsin.
I'm not talking specifically about Leach, but I've long since stopped trying to get inside the minds of football coaches, and different coaches have different priorities. Chris Peterson turned down every great job on the planet and wound up in Seattle because he cares more about fit than anything (spare me the story about his kid because it always gets thrown around with him). Those close to Petrino have remarked that his father impressed upon him that you have to move around a lot to be "safe" in the coaching profession because you'll always wear out your welcome, ergo he's been a coaching nomad. Spurrier was a 9 to 5 guy who never took himself or football too seriously, which is largely how he was able to endure a decade-plus stint at two different SEC schools. Bill Snyder was a builder and a lifer type who thrived on 100 hour work weeks.
Every coach is different. Too often fans project their own desires and priorities when it comes to the coaching carousel.
Posted on 10/8/17 at 8:33 am to Feral
And we'd take 23-25 in conference in year 6? A worse conference and division I might add.
Posted on 10/8/17 at 8:39 am to Feral
Why Bert left Wisky:
The pressure from fans. He can't stand it. It shows here as well. I have a large collection of former work buddies in Madison, and they all hated his guts. Pretty much all of them. A lot of it stemmed from his game management, and the women...they hated him because Bert, pre-Jen, was all over the bars like a frat boy and bedding coeds on one-night stands, or so the rumor is. Grown women there love to gossip as grown women do of course, and so that was at least the rumor, whether it was true or not.
So I think Barry Alvarez had very little to do with the decision. The fans are who ran him off there.
I wish like hell Bill Snyder would call it a career and hand pick Bert as his replacement at K State.
edit: I should say, the male fans "hated him" for football reasons. That's not really hate, but just saying
The pressure from fans. He can't stand it. It shows here as well. I have a large collection of former work buddies in Madison, and they all hated his guts. Pretty much all of them. A lot of it stemmed from his game management, and the women...they hated him because Bert, pre-Jen, was all over the bars like a frat boy and bedding coeds on one-night stands, or so the rumor is. Grown women there love to gossip as grown women do of course, and so that was at least the rumor, whether it was true or not.
So I think Barry Alvarez had very little to do with the decision. The fans are who ran him off there.
I wish like hell Bill Snyder would call it a career and hand pick Bert as his replacement at K State.
edit: I should say, the male fans "hated him" for football reasons. That's not really hate, but just saying
This post was edited on 10/8/17 at 8:41 am
Posted on 10/8/17 at 8:50 am to admiralduckwad
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And we'd take 23-25 in conference in year 6? A worse conference and division I might add.
That's rich coming from a guy who has ardently defended a coach currently sitting on a 10-24 conference record until now.
Posted on 10/8/17 at 8:52 am to Feral
I say it, because you'd be calling for Leach's head after his 2nd 3 win season in year 3.
Posted on 10/8/17 at 8:55 am to admiralduckwad
Washington state was a dumpster fire the likes we've never seen. I'm pretty sure when he was hired they were coming off back to back 1 win seasons and they've improved every year. Mike builds teams they rarely regress. It might suck at first but ibpromuse you once he gets his players and system on place we will be a consistent winning team
Posted on 10/8/17 at 8:56 am to Feral
Tell the truth, if we hire someone who is 7-20 in conference and no bowl wins in 3 years would you want to keep him?
Posted on 10/8/17 at 9:04 am to admiralduckwad
Would you guys stomach a loss to an FCS school in year 5?
Posted on 10/8/17 at 9:17 am to Pigimus Prime
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I don’t think many people are saying let’s fire him and do it in a way that most negatively affects us. I think folks are fed up and want him gone, but they also want a decent replacement without doing further damage to the program.
He won't be fired before Jan 1st if he makes a bowl game, any bowl game.
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I don't want him fired mid-season barring an inexplicable loss to Coastal Carolina, though Long doesn't have the balls to do that anyway.
I just want the ball rolling on him being gone at the end of the regular season, and I would hope feelers are being put out to prospective coaches' agents or third parties.
The ball is rolling. Keep that in mind when people melt and try to hitch long to the rail heading out of town when he's talking about how great the program has been doing academically, how many players are graduating, APR, etc.
Same song different verse as we saw with Pelphrey, he was doing just great, "fixing the APR" as we headed to penalties, had a top recruiting class lined up (even if they were all busts), etc, over and over up until the time it was announced he was fired.
There is no positive of "Yeah, Bert just isn't getting it done, once his buyout drops Jan 1 we will officially fire him and announce his new replacement" being put out in the public which is what many are expecting or wanting of Long in order to "save his job", this is assuming that he doesn't decide to move on himself to a new job...
The tale is the in-state media, when it become "acceptable" to criticize a HC on air from the "talent" instead of allowing the callers to do so, the end is near, and that is starting to happen. Nutt's last year had everyone in the media against him except Chuck, now you basically have everyone expressing negative views and opinions of Bert except Bo for the most part.
We've seen this all before, the only difference compared to Nutt is the next HC will actually have some talent on both sides of the ball to work with, so it is more similar to Ford in that regard.
Posted on 10/8/17 at 9:26 am to admiralduckwad
Same way we’re about to stomach 1 or 2 SEC wins.
Can you please go back to Hogville? You’re the ultimate negativity boner killer.
Thank god NFL is today.
Can you please go back to Hogville? You’re the ultimate negativity boner killer.
Thank god NFL is today.
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