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Has Bret recruited a single impact player other than Collins?

Posted on 9/22/15 at 8:26 am
Posted by STLhog
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Posted on 9/22/15 at 8:26 am
Don't bite my head off cuz I don't have time to follow shite like I did in college and have lost interest as we've begun to suck.

Even Collins has been relatively underwhelming for a 5 star back if we're honest. He should be tearing it up by now and he looks the same or worse as he always has.

Was Spaight even his guy? We don't have a SINGLE playmaker at receiver that he has brought in. That is pretty sad.

Henry was basically committed with Bobby as was Sprinkle?
This post was edited on 9/22/15 at 8:30 am
Posted by lefty08
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Posted on 9/22/15 at 8:47 am to
No. Collins is horrible. 2000 yards in his first 2 seasons. Who couldn't do that? Its disgraceful how bad he has been. None of the other guys he has recruited are any good either.
Posted by STLhog
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Member since Jan 2015
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Posted on 9/22/15 at 9:01 am to
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No. Collins is horrible. 2000 yards in his first 2 seasons. Who couldn't do that? Its disgraceful how bad he has been. None of the other guys he has recruited are any good either.


Have barely averages 4 yards a carry..

He's been good but 1000 yards in college isn't that big of a deal anymore. Let's be honest.

And who are the other guys?
Posted by Bear-O-Dactyl
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Posted on 9/22/15 at 9:07 am to
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1000 yards in college isn't that big of a deal anymore.


It's not that huge of a deal if you are the feature back, but it is damn impressive if you are splitting your carries in half.
Posted by TheCheshireHog
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Posted on 9/22/15 at 9:29 am to
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Henry was basically committed with Bobby as was Sprinkle?


Henry committed to JLS. According to folks allegedly in the know, his dad would have never allowed him to commit to Petrino.

As for impact players, I would say Kirkland, Tretola, Toliver and Dean are all pretty solid. RW3 looks like he is going to be pretty solid too.
Posted by STLhog
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Posted on 9/22/15 at 9:30 am to
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As for impact players, I would say Kirkland, Tretola, Toliver and Dean are all pretty solid. RW3 looks like he is going to be pretty solid too.



Seems like that is really shy of what we need.

Especially considering how crappy our O-line has performed.
Posted by Stonehog
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Posted on 9/22/15 at 9:49 am to
It's time we just accept that we'll never, ever be any good at football in this conference.
Posted by TheCheshireHog
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Posted on 9/22/15 at 9:52 am to
Base off of if we were 100% healthy:

QB - Allen - Petrino
RB - JWill - Petrino
RB - Collins - Bielema
WR - Hatcher - Petrino
WR - Cornelius - Bielema
WR - Robinson - Bielema
TE - Henry - Smith
TE - Sprinkle - Petrino
OT - Kirkland - Bielema
OG - Tretola - Bielema
OC - Smothers - Petrino
OG - Ragnow - Bielema
OT - Skipper - Bielema


DE - Ledbetter - Bielema
DT - Hodge - Petrino
DT - Johnson - Petrino
DE - Winston - Petrino
DE - Wise - Petrino
SLB - Williams - Bielema
MLB - Ellis - Smith
WLB - Greenlaw - Bielema
CB - Collins - Petrino
S - Gaines - Petrino
S - Liddell - Bielema
CB - Dean - Bielema
NB - Toliver - Bielema

K - Hedlund - Bielema
P - Baker - Petrino
KR - Hawkins - Petrino
PR - Cornelius - Bielema
This post was edited on 9/22/15 at 9:57 am
Posted by STLhog
Nashville, TN
Member since Jan 2015
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Posted on 9/22/15 at 10:42 am to
Thats pretty bad.

They're on the roster, but no one has been able to stand out at all.

Hope that changes, but doesn't seem like the case.

Posted by dbeck
Member since Nov 2014
29453 posts
Posted on 9/22/15 at 10:45 am to
Merrick, Agim, Froholdt, RWIII, Gragg

We should fire Bielema. And then in a couple years when those guys are kicking arse we can blame the new coach for having to use Bielema's recruits.
Posted by hawgfaninc
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Posted on 9/22/15 at 11:13 am to
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We should fire Bielema. And then in a couple years when those guys are kicking arse we can blame the new coach for having to use Bielema's recruits.

it would happen
Posted by piggilicious
Member since Jan 2011
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Posted on 9/22/15 at 11:22 am to
why is it that i'm way more pissed on monday's about the team then by tuesday i'm calmed down? the same thing 3 weeks in a row now.

i don't even want to cuss bert now- maybe thump his nose and give him the 'i'm watching you' look but that's it.

Posted by STLhog
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Member since Jan 2015
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Posted on 9/22/15 at 11:46 am to
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Merrick, Agim, Froholdt, RWIII, Gragg


I didn't say impact players on paper.

I meant actually doing things in the games. I realize they're young but it looks like we have a shite ton of mediocre talent out there.
Posted by presidenthog
Member since May 2015
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Posted on 9/22/15 at 12:00 pm to
it seems that offense was where petrino (especially the line) recruited poorly. odd that the top players on offense are hurt and all petrino recruits (besides HH). Hatcher is our best receiver yet he isn't all world. there are alot of petrino recruits on the defense oddly enough. it's at the Dline which is the sieve of the defense, well LB really is but we was praising the DE'S petrino last signed and now they suck for some reason. it seems that this staff the first recruiting classes didn't get great Dline players. also I thought taiwan was a beliema recruit he is only a RS soph I believe. until this incoming class of Dline men get here it is the type of class we have been missing. Froholdt and bell may be good, but guidry and agim are the real deal (holding out a small hope for Lawrence also) what this staff needs to do is get some LBs, WR and RBs.
Posted by TheCheshireHog
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Posted on 9/22/15 at 12:40 pm to
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also I thought taiwan was a beliema recruit he is only a RS soph I believe.


He's a RS JR and was in Petrino's last class. He committed a couple of weeks before the Cotton Bowl.
Posted by Feral
Member since Mar 2012
12419 posts
Posted on 9/22/15 at 1:18 pm to
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Henry committed to JLS.



Well technically, but he really committed to the program, and it was further solidified after Bielema was hired.

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According to folks allegedly in the know, his dad would have never allowed him to commit to Petrino.


I have a several family members who went to PA with him, and this is true. He was pretty much headed to Alabama, and Mark did not want him playing for Petrino. One of the rare occurrences where canning a coach at an inopportune time helps recruiting.
Posted by SmackoverHawg
Member since Oct 2011
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Posted on 9/22/15 at 5:54 pm to
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It's time we just accept that we'll never, ever be any good at football in this conference.
Posted by Jack Ruby
Member since Apr 2014
22786 posts
Posted on 9/22/15 at 7:25 pm to
I am convinced more and more each week that the 1 player that no matter how much talent or lack of talent you have there MUST be an absolute playmaker at quarteback in a pro style offense. Spread teams for the most part can trot out a decent QB and be successful bc the system largely makes the player. In a traditional pro set, the days of the game manager are LONG gone. Just look at Alabama...10 yrs ago you could hide your QB and be very very successful. Now you must have an NFL caliber guy under center to have legitimate success in today's college pro style offenses. Stanford, NFL qb... Mich state, NFL qb... Alabama not an NFL qb. I firmly believe that for a traditional team to beat the modern explosive spread teams consistently you have to have a guy that if your defense breaks down and you get into a shootout...he can make the big time NFL throws and put the team completely on his back. Arkansas simply does not have that guy right now. Petrino's system and philosophy was totally centered around the quarterback position and Arkansas was able be very good. Bert's overall track record is not that. He wants a game manager in every sense of the word. Wilson not included, how many big time play making quarterbacks had he had? If Bert keeps his job after this year's 3-4 win season(which of course he will bc of our genius AD's decision to raise Bert's buyout and give him an extension) Town/Storey/whoever better be an elite college passer or Arkansas will continue to struggle. If Arkansas does not run a system that can make up for the drastic talent gap they must have an NFL type quarterback... and I just don't think that guy is on the current or future roster ..but what's it all really matter...no matter how bad it gets...We are stuck with Bert. It is insane for anyone to pony up $15.6 mil to fire someone. Long has hitched our wagon to this guy.
Posted by hawgfaninc
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Posted on 9/22/15 at 7:37 pm to
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our genius AD's decision to raise Bert's buyout and give him an extension

hindsights 20/20

we were riding a wave of positive vibes, made sense at the time. but jeff long nor bert could have known our depth at certain positions and injuries would affect the team like they have this season.
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Town/Storey

both 4 star QB's currently redshirting. something arkansas hasn't had the luxury of doing in a long time
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NFL type quarterback... and I just don't think that guy is on the current or future roster

you have no way to know that
Posted by Jack Ruby
Member since Apr 2014
22786 posts
Posted on 9/22/15 at 7:47 pm to
Maybe some of the stuff is a little hyperbolic but the extension decision was just dumb... he already had a huge buyout that I thought was too big BEFORE the extension. He was locked up for years anyway but you had a declining buyout of $3 mil every year. I laughed when I heard he gave a 7 win season a huge extension. After the Charlie Weis debacle at Notre Dame I don't know why any AD would prematurely give extensions... Who was knocking down the doors to hire him away from Arkansas last year?
This post was edited on 9/22/15 at 7:51 pm
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