re: Gay marriage ban struck down.

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I don't care which side your on this SHOULD NOT be a government decision. If they can tell you who you can and can not marry what else can they tell you what not to do? As far as the bible thumpers, I don't see you bashing divorce lawyers or protesting to make divorce illegal. That is the core of your complaint on this issue, sanctity of marriage correct?

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the bold shows clearly what you think of Christians, I suppose...

and although I hate divorce as well as Christ himself did also, it is allowed biblically.

But nowhere is homosexual relationships acceptable in the Bible. So to answer your question, I abhor the idea that we are allowing gays to be "Married"! I have no problem with equal rights as for property/finances, Medical care and I do not plan to ever show a hatred toward any person as Christ would not want this as well. Unions, as for the Gov... Fine, morally it is still wrong. But we can not legislate morality in some forms. Although those who believe it never happens need to look at all laws with unbiased eyes. Stealing is a morality issue, killing, rape, incest, etal....

My biggest problem with this is how it was done. the timing of a weak little man who decided on behalf of the majority.. Utterly pathetic.

From some of ya, the same ole song and dance... MY FRIEND!

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the bold shows clearly what you think of Christians, I suppose...

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No, the bold is to summarize those who can not separate Government from Religion or understand that Government is free of Religion in this country.

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and although I hate divorce as well as Christ himself did also, it is allowed biblically.

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We could spend all day about what is allowed in the Bible but not allowed in today's society as well as what is not allowed in the Bible but is socially acceptable in today's society for many members of the Christian faith.

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So to answer your question, I abhor the idea that we are allowing gays to be "Married"! I have no problem with equal rights as for property/finances, Medical care and I do not plan to ever show a hatred toward any person as Christ would not want this as well. Unions, as for the Gov... Fine, morally it is still wrong. But we can not legislate morality in some forms. Although those who believe it never happens need to look at all laws with unbiased eyes.

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No, if the Government was to continue to sale and issue Marriage Licenses, the government will at some point has to issues Marriage Licenses to all humans who wants to marry another human, regardless of sex, race, creed, sexual orientation. If you want them to engage in a "Civil Union" because the verbiage makes you more comfortable, be prepared yourself for the government to see you in a "Civil Union", not a marriage.

There was a reason why I asked your take on the mixing of tribes in the other post, the verbiage above has to do with that.

"Separate but Equal". It wasn't really equal, now was it, it was separate.

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Stealing is a morality issue, killing, rape, incest, etal....

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Laws in civilization involving killing, stealing, rape, etc. existed long before the tablets were delivered to Moses.

Several of the stories in the Old Testimate existed long before the text was written and were actually borrowed for other cultures and civilizations during the creating of the text.

Christianity has had no problem adopting other cultures traditions in order to conquer and convert that culture, you can see it today, ideology and imagery surrounding every Christian Holiday. Remember Thor this Christmas when you are decorating your tree...

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My biggest problem with this is how it was done. the timing of a weak little man who decided on behalf of the majority.. Utterly pathetic.

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He did his job, this isn't a matter to be decided by the majority, it is a matter decided by the constitution of the state where the lawsuit is presented and will one day have to be decided by the Supreme Court of the US as far as the constitutionality of state's refusal to issue marriage licenses for all or if a "Separate but Equal" Civil Union will be allowed instead of a marriage license being issued.

If you do not want to marry two men or two women, you as a Reverend do not have too, if you do not want them to be wed in your church, you do not have to make it available to them. That is not the issue at hand, the issue is whether the counties in a state can refuse to issue them a marriage license based on a discriminatory policy.

Maybe.

This wouldn't be an issue if those clamoring over the "immorality" of the issue would take the same advice from the same book they use "to prove" the immorality and not judge others.

The reason why religion was written out of the founding of the government, why it was to be kept separate, was for issues just like this and the other non-issues as a society that those with political aspirations use to try and advance their political careers, no matter which side of the issue the stand on.

But instead of discussing our struggling place in the current world economy, future resource supply of the world and its ability to sustain the current population growth rate, etc, we get to drone on same sex marriages, abortions, etc.

It started during the 30s-50s when politicians used the threat of communism to infuse the word "God" in all forms of government from our currency to changing the wording of the pledge of allegiance, etc, since then it has been this group testing just how much more they can get away with in this nation as far as to infusing "God" into it. Now yo have generations thinking "God" has always been in the Pledge, always been on money, always been directly seen in Government.

It doesn't matter what religion the founding fathers practiced, what does matter is these same men intentionally left God out of government. If they meant for this country to be a Christian country similar to the Muslim countries who participate in Shia Law, they would have set this country up that way, they didn't, they did make laws guaranteeing freedom to practice whatever religion you want as well as all people being equal.

Most Christian churches have no problem with no-fault divorce. If they were serious about protecting marriage, that would have been their line in the sand.

Being able to marry and divorce on a whim has damaged the "institution of marriage" way more than a 1% of the population being in same-sex couples. Nobody is forbidding Christians from having stronger marriages. Nobody is forbidding Christians from not gaying out with each other.

Here's the deal. Most of those gay Arkansans I've seen on the news getting married have already been together for a decade or more. Why the hell does it bother anybody if they are able to actually get some benefits for each other? Seriously, even if you think buttfrickery is repugnant, why do you think its your place to deprive obviously committed people from obtaining legal status?

I don't get it.

Rev, riddle me this:

Do you think a big part of what has the church troubled is the fact that most churches these days just reflect back the greater society rather than being something actually different and separate? As in, however the culture goes, so goes the church? Because that is kind of how I see most churches these days. If there is a denomination that appeals to me these days it is Eastern Orthodox, simply because they still have some boundaries, some reverence, and seem to change people, rather than meeting them halfway.

Is a lot of the church's insecurity based on the overwhelming trend of the American church mimicking the broader culture over the past 50 years? Christian music has done all it can to be hip, modern, contemporary, etc, for example. Everything about American mainline Christianity is Americanized and reflects the greater culture.

Would there be as much concern if there was any real cultural difference between the modern church and modern America?

WMR, there is a lot to consider in your last two posts...

I will try to answer a bit of it in what for I am able.

Yes, way too many churches are changing with the culture in some ways. In other ways it must. Women wearing pants in church was a cultural thing to begin with. Nowhere does the Bible say dresses only. Alcohol is also allowed in the scripture. Those who believe the wine wasn't truly alcoholic are disingenuous at least. The abuse of alcohol was the issue as was food, etc.

Medical Marijuana doesn't bother me, others disagree. But if it help with cancer treatment or even other medical conditions. Go for it. It has to be safer than many of the meds being pushed by physicians getting kickbacks.

I am very literal with the bible in the point of understanding some was societal concerns, others were plainly stated as being truly evil in the view of God.

Homosexuality has been happening since the Roman and Greek civilizations were happening. It will continue forever until the world ends. I still see this issue as a moral one of depravity as I do abortion. I will voice my concern, pray for those affected, and hope I make a difference in somebodies life in a positive way.

FWIW

Very thoughtful answer.

Typical liberal, uninformed.

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It started during the 30s-50s when politicians used the threat of communism to infuse the word "God" in all forms of government

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Reminded me of this pic