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re: Your thoughts on Bama's offense after game 1
Posted on 9/5/17 at 3:23 pm to JuiceTerry
Posted on 9/5/17 at 3:23 pm to JuiceTerry
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I mean, those are some ugly QB games you listed, and Hurts is on pace to destroy McElroy's record at this point. Just sayin
No, from a total production standpoint he's ahead of McElroy.
As a first year starter, McElroy averaged 179 ypg, had a YPA of 7.7, and a TD to INT ratio of 4.25.
Hurts first year per game average was 185. YPA was a very similar 7.3. His TD/INT ratio was noticeably worse at 2.55 but that's just passing.
McElroy had 83 yards and 1 TD rushing. Hurts added an additional 954 yards and 13 TDs.
Hurts' first season production was so much better than McElroy's that any comparison is really laughable.
This post was edited on 9/5/17 at 3:24 pm
Posted on 9/5/17 at 3:47 pm to Eli Goldfinger
All of Jalen's issues seem to be correctable. I thought he looked better passing the football. Can't really comment on his decision making since I wasn't out there and didn't see what he saw or heard what the coaches were asking him to do.
Loved the lack of penalties, especially the number of false starts we've seen the last couple of years.
Wanted to see a QB draw. I can't remember us running a touch pass to the WR in motion. I hate that play.
Loved the lack of penalties, especially the number of false starts we've seen the last couple of years.
Wanted to see a QB draw. I can't remember us running a touch pass to the WR in motion. I hate that play.
Posted on 9/5/17 at 3:52 pm to JustGetItRight
I was specifically referring to the ypa stats in the post I replied to. Yeah, Jalen was way more productive than McElroy overall. He's got the skills to be lethal. Hope he can put them all together this season.
Posted on 9/5/17 at 4:03 pm to JuiceTerry
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I was specifically referring to the ypa stats in the post I replied to. Yeah, Jalen was way more productive than McElroy overall. He's got the skills to be lethal. Hope he can put them all together this season.
I hope. It would be amazing to finally have a QB teams respect.
Posted on 9/5/17 at 4:32 pm to KareemAbdul
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I hope. It would be amazing to finally have a QB teams respect.
I can promise you that teams "respect" Hurts.
Posted on 9/5/17 at 5:09 pm to Funky Tide 8
It's not black or white, and I don't understand people who are insisting that it has to be.
On one hand, Hurts' stats aren't great (less than 100 yards passing? Really?). He had one bad overthrow. It was obvious FSU wasn't too worried about his ability to hit the deep ball. And there was at least one occasion he should have read the blitz and checked into a hot read.
On the other hand, he was under serious pressure all night long. At least three of his incompletions came when he was throwing the ball away rather than take a sack. Despite what some are asserting, he definitely kept his eyes downfield while scrambling on at least one occasion -- the two-point conversion. And, as has been pointed out, he didn't turn the ball over. Francois did -- twice -- and I think that was a significant reason we won the game. Hurts threw two beautiful deep passes -- the touchdown to Ridley (in stride), and the just-missed touchdown pass in the corner.
I'm confused by the playcalling in general, specifically the lack of screens or passes to the tight ends. Maybe there was a reason we didn't use those plays, but it sure seemed like they would have helped with the pass rush.
There are obviously those who think Hurts is outstanding, as well as those who think he's never going to be a true dual-threat QB. I think it's ridiculous at this point to make assertions one way or the other. We opened with what may be the best defensive team outside our state, with a new offensive coordinator (the third one in the last three games, incidentally). I don't think the sample size for 2017 games is large enough to make any sort of statement -- especially given the level of competition.
On one hand, Hurts' stats aren't great (less than 100 yards passing? Really?). He had one bad overthrow. It was obvious FSU wasn't too worried about his ability to hit the deep ball. And there was at least one occasion he should have read the blitz and checked into a hot read.
On the other hand, he was under serious pressure all night long. At least three of his incompletions came when he was throwing the ball away rather than take a sack. Despite what some are asserting, he definitely kept his eyes downfield while scrambling on at least one occasion -- the two-point conversion. And, as has been pointed out, he didn't turn the ball over. Francois did -- twice -- and I think that was a significant reason we won the game. Hurts threw two beautiful deep passes -- the touchdown to Ridley (in stride), and the just-missed touchdown pass in the corner.
I'm confused by the playcalling in general, specifically the lack of screens or passes to the tight ends. Maybe there was a reason we didn't use those plays, but it sure seemed like they would have helped with the pass rush.
There are obviously those who think Hurts is outstanding, as well as those who think he's never going to be a true dual-threat QB. I think it's ridiculous at this point to make assertions one way or the other. We opened with what may be the best defensive team outside our state, with a new offensive coordinator (the third one in the last three games, incidentally). I don't think the sample size for 2017 games is large enough to make any sort of statement -- especially given the level of competition.
This post was edited on 9/5/17 at 5:11 pm
Posted on 9/5/17 at 5:50 pm to Sauron
FSU first team to hold Bama under 200 rushing and 100 passing since 2008
Posted on 9/5/17 at 6:02 pm to JuiceTerry
Alabama had 4.3 YPP and FSU had 4.0 YPP. Was the first game of the year and both defenses are elite. Jimbo and Daboll didn't do any favors with play calling either. Both poor play calling efforts.
The very few times the pockets didn't collapse on Jalen he stepped up in the pocket and made some nice throws. When did we ever see him step up in the pocket last year? Never.
Jalen will be all right. The o-line just got whipped in pass protection but Free Shoes is gonna do that to every o-line they face this year.
The very few times the pockets didn't collapse on Jalen he stepped up in the pocket and made some nice throws. When did we ever see him step up in the pocket last year? Never.
Jalen will be all right. The o-line just got whipped in pass protection but Free Shoes is gonna do that to every o-line they face this year.
Posted on 9/5/17 at 6:14 pm to Eli Goldfinger
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Hurts is still afraid to make a mistake.
Hurts starts looking to run if his first option isn't open.
Maybe Hurts 'is what he is' and will never be a comfortable pocket passer.
This has been beat to death... Hurts had no time to do anything in the pocket. There pretty much was no pocket. He wasn't running because his first option wasn't there. He was running to avoid the pressure.
I also don't understand why you're knocking the guy about being careful with the ball, when you saw what happened to the other team's QB when he wasn't careful about passing when pressured. It's a damn good thing he was careful. Being careful won us the game.
Posted on 9/5/17 at 8:15 pm to BigBird09
Guys, we're not judging Hurts based on one game. Through 16 games and an offseason, we've seen very minimal improvement.
Generally when you talk about QBs that can improve, you talk about QBs that clearly have the arm talent to throw crisp, on-time passes, they just need more experience to really settle in - a guy like Tua for example.
When you have a guy who's never once hit a receiver across the middle in stride in 16 games, and that the coaches clearly have very little confidence in his ability to read defenses in his second season, it's really cause for concern when our offense isn't doing its job.
Generally when you talk about QBs that can improve, you talk about QBs that clearly have the arm talent to throw crisp, on-time passes, they just need more experience to really settle in - a guy like Tua for example.
When you have a guy who's never once hit a receiver across the middle in stride in 16 games, and that the coaches clearly have very little confidence in his ability to read defenses in his second season, it's really cause for concern when our offense isn't doing its job.
This post was edited on 9/5/17 at 8:22 pm
Posted on 9/5/17 at 8:29 pm to uofarolltide
Like many of you, I was always a big fan of Hurts. He is a playmaker no doubt. He's also really tough.
However, I'm letting go at this point. When I watch AJ McCarron highlights it makes me sad considering what our offense used to be and how it's devolved.
The RPO offense can be deadly, but it starts and ends with the QB. You have to have a deadly QB, and in the age of Lamar Jackson, Jalen Hurts doesn't strike fear into anyone
However, I'm letting go at this point. When I watch AJ McCarron highlights it makes me sad considering what our offense used to be and how it's devolved.
The RPO offense can be deadly, but it starts and ends with the QB. You have to have a deadly QB, and in the age of Lamar Jackson, Jalen Hurts doesn't strike fear into anyone
Posted on 9/5/17 at 8:41 pm to uofarolltide
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However, I'm letting go at this point.
Posted on 9/5/17 at 8:43 pm to uofarolltide
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When you have a guy who's never once hit a receiver across the middle in stride in 16 games,
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I'm only at the 5:00 min mark and have seen no less than 6. It's comments like these that make our fan base look stupid.
Check out 3:22 it's a beauty.
This post was edited on 9/5/17 at 8:44 pm
Posted on 9/5/17 at 8:52 pm to CrimsonBoz
quote:yep.
I'm only at the 5:00 min mark and have seen no less than 6. It's comments like these that make our fan base look stupid.
Posted on 9/5/17 at 9:01 pm to uofarolltide
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a guy like Tua for example.
When you use a guy that has never taken a college snap as your example, your credibility goes right out the window.
Posted on 9/6/17 at 8:14 am to CrimsonBoz
But....but...but this goes against the Hurts is shite narrative!! How dare you bring proof?!!!
I saw several rub routes/crossing routes run Saturday and Jalen hit Ridley on one going to the right and one to the left broken up I believe or it was a stick route underneath the crossing route that was broken up.
I saw several rub routes/crossing routes run Saturday and Jalen hit Ridley on one going to the right and one to the left broken up I believe or it was a stick route underneath the crossing route that was broken up.
Posted on 9/6/17 at 8:34 am to CrimsonBoz
I'm waiting for a larger sample size before I jump on or back off the Hurts hype train.
BUT, the people on here who were claiming Hurts was fantastic through much of last year don't get to say the people now overreacting in the other direction make our fan base look stupid.
BUT, the people on here who were claiming Hurts was fantastic through much of last year don't get to say the people now overreacting in the other direction make our fan base look stupid.
Posted on 9/6/17 at 9:56 am to Eli Goldfinger
I'm going to need to see some games that aren't against an elite defense before I start damning the offense.
Things I noticed were less downhill running early on than I would've liked, Hurts has improved his deep ball (still needs work but much better than last year), playcalling seems a little more practical.
I like how we just clamped down on the running game once we got up. That didn't use to happen under Kiffin who got all trigger happy with his tomfoolery once he thought we had a lead. I like the method of choking out the other team and the clock at the same time. We know that works...good to see it back.
Make no mistake, we won't see a defense like that until maybe LSU. Plenty of time to work out whatever kinks we seem to have.
The kicking game is still the biggest thing that worries me.
Things I noticed were less downhill running early on than I would've liked, Hurts has improved his deep ball (still needs work but much better than last year), playcalling seems a little more practical.
I like how we just clamped down on the running game once we got up. That didn't use to happen under Kiffin who got all trigger happy with his tomfoolery once he thought we had a lead. I like the method of choking out the other team and the clock at the same time. We know that works...good to see it back.
Make no mistake, we won't see a defense like that until maybe LSU. Plenty of time to work out whatever kinks we seem to have.
The kicking game is still the biggest thing that worries me.
Posted on 9/6/17 at 10:22 am to nb200016
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I'm going to need to see some games that aren't against an elite defense before I start damning the offense.
I said the same but isn't it troubling to know that if our opponent has a stout defense we aren't gonna be able to pass for more than 100 yds or score many points? Last year's excuse was that we had a true freshman quarterback. How many times this year are we going to say "well, they had a good defense"? Will be nice to be able to stop making excuses and actually get the job done.
Posted on 9/6/17 at 11:06 am to Teague
quote:he was objectively fantastic through much of last year, especially for a true freshman. Despite the production drop off the last 3 games he still had perhaps the best season for a true freshman QB in the history of the NCAA. Saying he was fantastic last year is not overreacting. Saying he's garbage this year after playing a great defense game 1 behind a shuffled o line, not making any mistakes, and winning the game is a complete overreaction.
BUT, the people on here who were claiming Hurts was fantastic through much of last year don't get to say the people now overreacting in the other direction make our fan base look stupid.
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