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Posted on 12/1/16 at 1:03 pm to RollEagles
Posted on 12/1/16 at 1:03 pm to RollEagles
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RollEagles
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21 of 26.
Posted on 12/1/16 at 1:04 pm to Bama323_15
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21 of 26.
What exactly is your point? That my low post count somehow detracts from my argument? Is that the implication?
Posted on 12/1/16 at 1:05 pm to RollEagles
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RollEagles
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22 of 27.
Posted on 12/1/16 at 1:06 pm to Bama323_15
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22 of 27.
23 of 28.
Nothing to add?
Posted on 12/1/16 at 1:08 pm to RollEagles
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RollEagles
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23 of 28.
Posted on 12/1/16 at 1:09 pm to Bama323_15
Didn't want this to get paged. Oh, and 24 of 29.
Cecil went after them by questioning their journalism? Tweeting about everything being fine on a show unless Kannell is there isn't the same as saying Dinnich isn't qualified.
Difference between Cecil's previous comments against other Alabama trolls was that he made it personal against Dinnich.
Other people's criticism might be based in the inclination that he's sexist. I can't speak for that. It seems that most of his colleagues and fellow journalists are criticizing him for being unnecessarily dickish.
That's where my criticism of Cecil comes from. You don't question another journalist's qualifications if you don't agree with them. If their opinions are different, you don't immediately jump on saying they can't do their job. That's just illogical.
Cecil knows this. It's why he's tweeted that he should have stopped before he tweeted and thought about what he was going to say. It's why he's walked back the way in which he responded to Dinnich's comments but not his criticism of Dinnich's comments.
There isn't a sexist part of this. At least not to me. It's a professionalism thing. If you're a journalist who has years of experience, you should know that questioning someone's qualifications over a disagreement of opinion is just wrong.
The main point of my argument has been proved fallacious?
From the start, my argument has been that Cecil made a mistake by making a difference of opinion, a personal issue. I don't know whether or not it was based in sexism or not. Quite frankly, we don't have enough here to say that Cecil is a sexist and that's quite frankly wrong to label him as a sexist.
I know some people on Twitter are trying to make it a sexist thing and white knighting. That's not what I've done from the start. I'm saying that Cecil is wrong and shouldn't be defended because he was being a dick and he knows it. That's why he's said it was something he shouldn't have tweeted.
I'll give you an example. Let's say Cecil is a person who worked in the scientific community and his expertise is studying a potential cancer drug. Heather is another person who also works in the field and makes a statement that the new potential cancer drug should be looked at more closely due to side effects. Cecil takes issue with that and Tweets/responds by saying that Heather is unqualified. That would be nonsense and an incredibly immature way to deal with that. If Cecil said he disagreed and that he thought Heather's opinion was severely flawed, that would be completely fine.
Point I'm making is that Cecil is a professional journalist. He's a professional. He's not a message board poster. He's not some random person on Twitter. There's a certain level of maturity that you would expect from a professional.
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You need to give up. BamaChick straight up exposed you when you tried to make the argument that Cecil Hurt hasn't gone after Finebaum, Cowherd, and Kannell. She gave you concrete evidence that he has, and there was no backlash at all in those cases.
Cecil went after them by questioning their journalism? Tweeting about everything being fine on a show unless Kannell is there isn't the same as saying Dinnich isn't qualified.
Difference between Cecil's previous comments against other Alabama trolls was that he made it personal against Dinnich.
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The criticism now being leveled at Hurt by journalists, twitter idiots, and yourself is explicitly based on the presumption that he is sexist. Inherent in that argument is that their issue with his statements is that they were leveled at a woman.
Other people's criticism might be based in the inclination that he's sexist. I can't speak for that. It seems that most of his colleagues and fellow journalists are criticizing him for being unnecessarily dickish.
That's where my criticism of Cecil comes from. You don't question another journalist's qualifications if you don't agree with them. If their opinions are different, you don't immediately jump on saying they can't do their job. That's just illogical.
Cecil knows this. It's why he's tweeted that he should have stopped before he tweeted and thought about what he was going to say. It's why he's walked back the way in which he responded to Dinnich's comments but not his criticism of Dinnich's comments.
There isn't a sexist part of this. At least not to me. It's a professionalism thing. If you're a journalist who has years of experience, you should know that questioning someone's qualifications over a disagreement of opinion is just wrong.
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I've never liked Hurt and I don't give a shite about the situation to be honest. But you're embarrassing yourself by taking on the role of White Knight (widely regarded as sexist, I might add) and continuing to argue even after the main crux of your argument has been proven fallacious.
The main point of my argument has been proved fallacious?
From the start, my argument has been that Cecil made a mistake by making a difference of opinion, a personal issue. I don't know whether or not it was based in sexism or not. Quite frankly, we don't have enough here to say that Cecil is a sexist and that's quite frankly wrong to label him as a sexist.
I know some people on Twitter are trying to make it a sexist thing and white knighting. That's not what I've done from the start. I'm saying that Cecil is wrong and shouldn't be defended because he was being a dick and he knows it. That's why he's said it was something he shouldn't have tweeted.
I'll give you an example. Let's say Cecil is a person who worked in the scientific community and his expertise is studying a potential cancer drug. Heather is another person who also works in the field and makes a statement that the new potential cancer drug should be looked at more closely due to side effects. Cecil takes issue with that and Tweets/responds by saying that Heather is unqualified. That would be nonsense and an incredibly immature way to deal with that. If Cecil said he disagreed and that he thought Heather's opinion was severely flawed, that would be completely fine.
Point I'm making is that Cecil is a professional journalist. He's a professional. He's not a message board poster. He's not some random person on Twitter. There's a certain level of maturity that you would expect from a professional.
Posted on 12/1/16 at 1:11 pm to RollEagles
quote:On a scare from 1-cried, how upset were you that Hillary lost?
RollEagles
Seriously though, if the tweet in the link in the first post is all he said, then it shouldn't be a big deal and you're defending the shite out of pretty much nothing.
Posted on 12/1/16 at 1:13 pm to ReauxlTide222
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On a scare from 1-cried, how upset were you that Hillary lost?
I'll be fine.
How upset are you that draining the swamp really meant pumping Trump's business interests and putting billionaires in his cabinet and officials with a ridiculous amount of special interests?
You're going to have the biggest buyer's remorse. He's going to help himself. He doesn't care about you or the common man. Actually look into the little bit of what his policies say. It doesn't matter at this point. You got scammed.
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Seriously though, if the tweet in the link in the first post is all he said, then it shouldn't be a big deal and you're defending the shite out of pretty much nothing.
I'm defending it because people in this thread are so incredibly dense and it's embarrassing to have people in our fan base as ignorant as this.
This post was edited on 12/1/16 at 1:15 pm
Posted on 12/1/16 at 1:18 pm to RollEagles
Can we keep the political talk off this board?
Posted on 12/1/16 at 1:19 pm to pvilleguru
What Cecil said was dumb. He's apologized. Let's move on.
Posted on 12/1/16 at 1:20 pm to pvilleguru
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What Cecil said was dumb. He's apologized. Let's move on.
Agreed. I'm done here.
Posted on 12/1/16 at 1:23 pm to RollEagles
quote:Can you explain what's so wrong about someone saying she's unqualified? Besides it just not being a nice thing to say. What's the crime here?
I'm defending it because people in this thread are so incredibly dense and it's embarrassing to have people in our fan base as ignorant as this.
quote:I could not care less if he cares about me or not. Thankfully I've been raised to not need that shite...like all you naive bleeding hearts on the left.
You're going to have the biggest buyer's remorse. He's going to help himself. He doesn't care about you or the common man. Actually look into the little bit of what his policies say. It doesn't matter at this point. You got scammed.
I'm not the biggest Trump fan in the world, although I did vote for him. Let's give him a shot before we return him, aight?
Oh and the fact that you think Hillary goddamn Clinton cares about you is legitimately sad.
Posted on 12/1/16 at 1:24 pm to RollEagles
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Agreed. I'm done here.
Final count.
31 of 36.
Posted on 12/1/16 at 1:30 pm to ReauxlTide222
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Can you explain what's so wrong about someone saying she's unqualified?
Because she's just as qualified as 99% of the people in your average sports bar.
Posted on 12/1/16 at 1:31 pm to ReauxlTide222
Ok this is really it, Bama323_15, since you seem to care so much. Let's call it at 32 of 37.
It's not a crime. And Cecil is allowed to say whatever he wants. It's just stupid for people to act like he needs to be defended much like it's stupid for people to say Cecil is sexist. He did something dumb. Why should we go out to defend something stupid that he did?
1) I don't care that he cares about me. The implication when I said that is that Trump's policies are only going to help him and people like him. The ultra wealthy and the guys in NYC who pay less taxes than anyone in the middle class. He's going to exploit everyone else and make it less of a level playing field than ever before. That doesn't help you and it doesn't help me. And it creates a financial situation that could have disastrous consequences. Think something maybe along the lines of the 2008 recession. He's going to let those Wall Street types run rampant.
2) I'm all for hoping that Trump ends up being the best President of all time. I'm all for giving him a shot. Based on his appointments so far, it's hard to have a lot of faith going forward but nothing else to have at this point but faith that the people he appointed won't follow through with special interests.
3) I'm not a partisan person. I don't love the Clintons. And I definitely don't love Trump. I really don't like too many politicians at all. They all have some catastrophic flaw.
I'll leave this site with this: don't pay attention to partisan politics. Don't make politics a team sport. If someone isn't doing the right thing, don't give them a pass because they have a (D) or an (R) in front of their name. Call them on it. You owe it to yourself to be unbiased.
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Can you explain what's so wrong about someone saying she's unqualified? Besides it just not being a nice thing to say. What's the crime here?
It's not a crime. And Cecil is allowed to say whatever he wants. It's just stupid for people to act like he needs to be defended much like it's stupid for people to say Cecil is sexist. He did something dumb. Why should we go out to defend something stupid that he did?
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I could not care less if he cares about me or not. Thankfully I've been raised to not need that shite...like all you naive bleeding hearts on the left.
I'm not the biggest Trump fan in the world, although I did vote for him. Let's give him a shot before we return him, aight?
Oh and the fact that you think Hillary goddamn Clinton cares about you is legitimately sad.
1) I don't care that he cares about me. The implication when I said that is that Trump's policies are only going to help him and people like him. The ultra wealthy and the guys in NYC who pay less taxes than anyone in the middle class. He's going to exploit everyone else and make it less of a level playing field than ever before. That doesn't help you and it doesn't help me. And it creates a financial situation that could have disastrous consequences. Think something maybe along the lines of the 2008 recession. He's going to let those Wall Street types run rampant.
2) I'm all for hoping that Trump ends up being the best President of all time. I'm all for giving him a shot. Based on his appointments so far, it's hard to have a lot of faith going forward but nothing else to have at this point but faith that the people he appointed won't follow through with special interests.
3) I'm not a partisan person. I don't love the Clintons. And I definitely don't love Trump. I really don't like too many politicians at all. They all have some catastrophic flaw.
I'll leave this site with this: don't pay attention to partisan politics. Don't make politics a team sport. If someone isn't doing the right thing, don't give them a pass because they have a (D) or an (R) in front of their name. Call them on it. You owe it to yourself to be unbiased.
Posted on 12/1/16 at 1:34 pm to RollEagles
Thank you, Heather.
Just messing with you
Just messing with you
Posted on 12/1/16 at 1:43 pm to Bama323_15
I hope Finebaum's social media intern some how sees this thread and gets a good laugh. Through some selective twitter editing of a single comment about Alabama football he or she was able to make Heather Dinnich a complete Bama hater and unqualified to do her job, make Cecil Hurt overreacted and then be wrongly accussed of sexism, make whoever defended Dinnich's professional credibility a liberal social justice warrior, make several people do baseless twitter forensics which they were applauded for and then to top it off have a couple of people insult each other's political views and have a post count dong measuring contest. They made Tammys and Phyllis in less than 144 characters. I can't believe it is so easy to entice people down the ignorance hole. Bravo social media intern, bravo!
Posted on 12/1/16 at 1:46 pm to Carlton
Did you forget to write this on your RollEagles account?
Posted on 12/1/16 at 1:57 pm to ReauxlTide222
I wish I was RollEagles, that guy has way more post then I do. Seriously though Finebaum suckered you. He is the GOAT
Posted on 12/1/16 at 2:07 pm to Carlton
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I wish I was RollEagles, that guy has way more post then I do.
I have no idea what you're talking about, btw. What does any of this have to do with Finebaum? I didn't read the OP. Seent Dinnich, and saw red. I hate her. That's all.
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