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re: ***Official Fire Doug Nussmeier Thread***
Posted on 1/5/14 at 8:17 pm to chattabama
Posted on 1/5/14 at 8:17 pm to chattabama
Where are you seeing 85th? Because the only stat I can find is Red Zone Success for individual teams not a ranking. We went from 90 percent success last year to 80 percent(43 scores/54 attempts) success this year.
Vs VA Tech - No drives died in the Red Zone
Vs ATM - Yeldon Fumble at ATM 1 (1)
Vs CSU - No drives died in the Red Zone
Vs Ole Miss - Tenpenny rush for 4 on 4th and 5 (2)
Vs GSU - Griffith miss 30 yd FGA (3)
Vs Kentucky - Yeldon Fumble at UK 11 (4)
Vs Arkansas - No drives died in the Red Zone
Vs Tennessee - Drake Fumble at UT 2 (5)
Vs LSU - No drives died in the Red Zone
Vs State - No drives died in the Red Zone
Vs UTC - No drives died in the Red Zone
Vs Auburn - Foster miss 33 yd FGA (6), Yeldon rush for loss at AU 13 (7),
Vs Oklahoma - Yeldon Fumble at OK 11 (8), Foster miss 32 yd FGA (9),
I found 9. I can't find the 10th/11th. But its 4 fumbles, 2 runs for a loss/no gain on 4th down, and 3 chip shot FG misses. These are not any coach's fault, these come down to execution.
I am counting plays that were started within the opponents 20 that did not "end in a kick". They may be counting the Red Zone as the 25 or situations where we ended the game/half in the Red Zone to get to 11.
If the RB's protect the ball and score on the 4 fumbles we are back at the same percentage as last season (90%). Other than Yeldon last year, we have never had an issue with RB's fumbling under Saban. I think at one point Trent, Mark and Lacy had fumbled 4 total times in their career.
Vs VA Tech - No drives died in the Red Zone
Vs ATM - Yeldon Fumble at ATM 1 (1)
Vs CSU - No drives died in the Red Zone
Vs Ole Miss - Tenpenny rush for 4 on 4th and 5 (2)
Vs GSU - Griffith miss 30 yd FGA (3)
Vs Kentucky - Yeldon Fumble at UK 11 (4)
Vs Arkansas - No drives died in the Red Zone
Vs Tennessee - Drake Fumble at UT 2 (5)
Vs LSU - No drives died in the Red Zone
Vs State - No drives died in the Red Zone
Vs UTC - No drives died in the Red Zone
Vs Auburn - Foster miss 33 yd FGA (6), Yeldon rush for loss at AU 13 (7),
Vs Oklahoma - Yeldon Fumble at OK 11 (8), Foster miss 32 yd FGA (9),
I found 9. I can't find the 10th/11th. But its 4 fumbles, 2 runs for a loss/no gain on 4th down, and 3 chip shot FG misses. These are not any coach's fault, these come down to execution.
I am counting plays that were started within the opponents 20 that did not "end in a kick". They may be counting the Red Zone as the 25 or situations where we ended the game/half in the Red Zone to get to 11.
If the RB's protect the ball and score on the 4 fumbles we are back at the same percentage as last season (90%). Other than Yeldon last year, we have never had an issue with RB's fumbling under Saban. I think at one point Trent, Mark and Lacy had fumbled 4 total times in their career.
This post was edited on 1/5/14 at 8:24 pm
Posted on 1/5/14 at 8:22 pm to Libertyabides71
Posted on 1/5/14 at 8:29 pm to chattabama
Same stat I was using, different site. But congratulations we jump all the way to 25th in this category if Fumble&Fumble hang on to the ball. If Dink&Donk hit their chip shots as well we move up to 5th.
I want to know where we can find an offensive coordinator that will solve these issues.
I want to know where we can find an offensive coordinator that will solve these issues.
This post was edited on 1/5/14 at 8:31 pm
Posted on 1/5/14 at 8:36 pm to Libertyabides71
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I want to know where we can find an offensive coordinator that will solve these issues.
Maybe someone who would bench Fumbletron and Droptimus Prime early in the season after their first fumbles to teach them a lesson and get younger backs experience? I'm not sure who makes that call, but in the UK game we should've benched them both for the remainder of the game. It's not like we needed all of our personnel on the field to beat UK.
Bottom line is we lost three games because of Nuss's playcalling. I'm not sure how else you justify it.
Posted on 1/5/14 at 9:29 pm to chattabama
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Bottom line is we lost three games because of Nuss's playcalling. I'm not sure how else you justify it.
We did? We also won 24 games because of it as well.
Posted on 1/5/14 at 9:41 pm to Libertyabides71
Yeah I'm sure we wouldn't have beaten the GA States of the world without Nuss. Good point
Posted on 1/5/14 at 9:45 pm to chattabama
He had just as much to do with our wins as our losses. He (or his intern) scouted each opponent. He came up with the gameplans. He called the offensive plays in the wins and the losses.
Posted on 1/6/14 at 3:20 am to alabamabuckeye
I think CNS was on board with the whole “ lets show case AJ ” thing this season.
Henry should have been a pack mule runner all year with Drake the # 2 and we should have pounded the ball and then hit them with Drake.
Yeldon is not as good as those guys.
Henry should have been a pack mule runner all year with Drake the # 2 and we should have pounded the ball and then hit them with Drake.
Yeldon is not as good as those guys.
Posted on 1/6/14 at 3:26 am to S.E.C. Crazy
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Yeldon is not as good as those guys.
I think Yeldon is better as the #2 guy in a 1-2 punch like he was in 2012 behind Lacy. This year he seemed to always play better whenever Drake was playing well. Derrick Henry will push the hell out of TJ in 2014.
Posted on 1/6/14 at 3:45 am to harmonics
Not that Yeldon isn't great, it is the offense really missed having a back that could create his own hole. Yeldon and Drake are both all-purpose backs. They both run hard but they are both lanky for RBs. Lanky RBs take unnecessary hits and are prone to fumbles. Luckily neither has had a serious injury I can remember, but the fumbling sure sounds familiar. Granted when they both ran for the most part it was behind an NFL caliber OL (2012) and one that at times played really hard and overachieved (2013). You may laugh at that but seriously the 2013 OL gave up less sacks per pass attempt and the running game averaged a higher YPC average this year. I'm not saying 2012 was bad though, both numbers are impressive both years. Its just the 2013 numbers should be a great reflection on a first year coach replacing 3 All Americans.
While AP Back is a catch all term the best way to describe them is an athlete that is as much WR as they are RB. It can mean sub 6'2" WR or WR that is chunkier than they are lanky. While we don't (and aren't unless we finally hire Paul Johnson) run the Flexbone for some reason we intentionally recruit AP backs for our Y/Slot receiver. Christion Jones, Chris Black, Ardarius Stewart, DeAndrew White, and the walk on WR are all purpose backs as well. Prothro/Palmer/Milons were great AP backs also.
It has to be a formation sub we experimented with but Christion Jones (1st team), Chris Black (2nd team), and Ardarius Stewart (either A-Day or fan day) have all taken at least a few snaps at RB that I can distinctly remember. Maybe it is a wrinkle we are working with.
We needed a true RB, especially early (VA Tech and CSU). Tech always fields a good D. I think CSU's coach knows our tendencies and our plays, the guy may even have our playbook. And you know both teams spent all offseason getting ready for us
Don't get me wrong, Henry was probably still recovering from his injury though. And as we saw all year Fowler is a pale shade of what he was since his injury. Henry has to be very careful or his next injury could be Fowler like.
But back to the purpose of this thread, I've pulled all kinds of numbers that have shown Nussmeier and Cristobal did great coaching jobs this year.
I certainly get differences in opinion, but do people honestly want them fired?
While AP Back is a catch all term the best way to describe them is an athlete that is as much WR as they are RB. It can mean sub 6'2" WR or WR that is chunkier than they are lanky. While we don't (and aren't unless we finally hire Paul Johnson) run the Flexbone for some reason we intentionally recruit AP backs for our Y/Slot receiver. Christion Jones, Chris Black, Ardarius Stewart, DeAndrew White, and the walk on WR are all purpose backs as well. Prothro/Palmer/Milons were great AP backs also.
It has to be a formation sub we experimented with but Christion Jones (1st team), Chris Black (2nd team), and Ardarius Stewart (either A-Day or fan day) have all taken at least a few snaps at RB that I can distinctly remember. Maybe it is a wrinkle we are working with.
We needed a true RB, especially early (VA Tech and CSU). Tech always fields a good D. I think CSU's coach knows our tendencies and our plays, the guy may even have our playbook. And you know both teams spent all offseason getting ready for us
Don't get me wrong, Henry was probably still recovering from his injury though. And as we saw all year Fowler is a pale shade of what he was since his injury. Henry has to be very careful or his next injury could be Fowler like.
But back to the purpose of this thread, I've pulled all kinds of numbers that have shown Nussmeier and Cristobal did great coaching jobs this year.
I certainly get differences in opinion, but do people honestly want them fired?
Posted on 1/6/14 at 8:05 am to Libertyabides71
It just seemed like, despite the stats, our offense struggled to make key plays when the chips were down, especially the last 2 games of the season. Some of that is the OL, some of that is dropped balls by the WRs, some of that was bad throws by AJ, and some of that is play calling.
I have seen many say our passing game is very predictable. I'm far from a an X's and O's guy, but that seems plausible given the number of times AJ has plenty of protection to make a throw, yet can't find anyone open.
I have seen many say our passing game is very predictable. I'm far from a an X's and O's guy, but that seems plausible given the number of times AJ has plenty of protection to make a throw, yet can't find anyone open.
Posted on 1/6/14 at 8:23 am to The Spleen
Our passing game is probably more complicated than Texas A/M's, Auburn's, Tennessee's, or especially Mississippi State's. You would be shocked to found out simple Urban Meyer/Dan Mullen's passing game is. The only school I would think would have similar complex passing games would be Vandy, Georgia, LSU, and Florida's because they run the same offense we do. Any offense that is usually labeled "spread" has a simple passing game. Steve Spurrier's is actually very simple as well.
Posted on 1/6/14 at 8:34 am to Libertyabides71
I don't doubt it's complex. Complex can still be predictable.
Posted on 1/6/14 at 8:46 am to chattabama
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Bottom line is we lost three games because of Nuss's playcalling. I'm not sure how else you justify it.
Offensive playcalling didn't cost us our 2 losses this year. If anything, it was execution/defense.
Posted on 1/6/14 at 8:51 am to pvilleguru
Sure it did. You're going up against a weak secondary and stacked box and your plan is to run the ball? Similarly, you go up against a team that is used to winning shootouts and defending the pass and you pass the ball?
Admittedly defense did stink, but our offense could've bailed us out. Instead, Nuss watches his qb get killed while Henry is straight up beasting people and you make no adjustments to your game plan.
Admittedly defense did stink, but our offense could've bailed us out. Instead, Nuss watches his qb get killed while Henry is straight up beasting people and you make no adjustments to your game plan.
This post was edited on 1/6/14 at 1:59 pm
Posted on 1/6/14 at 8:59 am to chattabama
Against Auburn, all you had to do was get one damn yard and you could run the clock out. You should be able to run for one yard against anyone. That came down to execution. We shot ourselves in the foot with penalties in that game. That wasn't because of playcalling.
With the talent we've recruited on defense, 31 points should be enough to win any game.
With the talent we've recruited on defense, 31 points should be enough to win any game.
Posted on 1/6/14 at 9:07 am to pvilleguru
Lot of smoke surrounding Yeldon having a hip injury on top of his gimpy ankle. Against a stacked box you need a runner that can make his own holes ie Henry instead of TJ "Dancing with the Stars" Yeldon. Also, why didn't we run it behind our best oline, Steen?
Also, remember when we faked the run and went for a pass to Fowler at the goal line in the ATM game? That would've worked here. You can talk about execution or you can talk about a game plan that gives your team the most success. I thought Nuss was paid the big bucks to come up with a solid game plan.
Also, remember when we faked the run and went for a pass to Fowler at the goal line in the ATM game? That would've worked here. You can talk about execution or you can talk about a game plan that gives your team the most success. I thought Nuss was paid the big bucks to come up with a solid game plan.
Posted on 1/6/14 at 9:19 am to pvilleguru
The 4th quarter of the Auburn game was just a perfect storm of cluster-frickery for Alabama. Poor execution, untimely penalties, poor play calling, etc.
OU just flat beat us. I don't think better play calling would have mattered. They came to play, we did not and didn't have an answer for them defensively.
OU just flat beat us. I don't think better play calling would have mattered. They came to play, we did not and didn't have an answer for them defensively.
Posted on 1/6/14 at 9:23 am to chattabama
And everyone loved the Jumbo Package until they hated it. In 2004 and 2005 we scored just about every time we ran it. In 2006 is when it became the joke.
You have been jumping back and forth from throwing to much to not throwing enough. Especially when most of the time on the goal line AJ has the ability run a run play or pass play based on what he sees.
You have been jumping back and forth from throwing to much to not throwing enough. Especially when most of the time on the goal line AJ has the ability run a run play or pass play based on what he sees.
Posted on 1/6/14 at 9:25 am to The Spleen
Meh. They beat us flat out, yes. But they aren't built to stop a power running game. They are built to compete in track meet type games. Look at all the yards Henry had in 8 carries. They had no answer for him. We took him out for them. You can't convince me that had we started running at them with Henry for 20 carries that we wouldn't have won. Our offense should've focused on keeping theirs off the field. Their hot quarterback can't do a damn thing on the sideline.
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