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re: Now we know why the QB stats are guarded like Area 51
Posted on 4/18/16 at 5:01 pm to ReauxlTide222
Posted on 4/18/16 at 5:01 pm to ReauxlTide222
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What I got excited about didn't have much to do with pure talent jumping off the screen. Hurts was so money on short and midrange throws. I think he has EXACTLY what it takes to make Kiffin's offense run smooth.
He made them look sooo easy. Even when they were covered or there was traffic in the area of the throw, he put them exactly where the receiver needed the ball. The throw to Harris where he threw it low and sorta behind him(because a LB or S was on the other side of Harris) was perfect. Half of Kiffin's offense is quick hitting passes and timing stuff that gets a defense on their toes and having to worry about defending sideline to sideline. Hurts made it look easy.
ETA: I'm not claiming he has to be the starter. I don't care who wins the job. Saban has proven that he knows what he's doing, many times over. My post was just an observation of what I saw on Saturday.
Pretty much this.
I think there is some dissonance between the people that are entertaining the thought of Hurts as a starter this year, and the people who seem to scoff at such an idea.
ReauxlTide's post sums up the former's feelings pretty nicely. It has nothing to do with being enamored by "the next best thing," or a "shiny new 5-star." It has everything to do with Hurts just looking much better in pretty much every aspect of the QB position.
Sure, he won't look as good against the 1st team defense, but he might look better than the other guys, and if our Oline is a revolving door again this year, then I have no doubt in my mind that Hurts will get a shot.
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Posted on 4/18/16 at 5:04 pm to Funky Tide 8
Revolving door on the OL last year?
Nah. They gave up some sacks, but there was no Chris Capps-esque play from the OL last year. They won the award for best OL. This year should be even better.
Nah. They gave up some sacks, but there was no Chris Capps-esque play from the OL last year. They won the award for best OL. This year should be even better.
Posted on 4/18/16 at 5:18 pm to SECSolomonGrundy
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Revolving door on the OL last year?
Nah. They gave up some sacks, but there was no Chris Capps-esque play from the OL last year. They won the award for best OL. This year should be even better.
At times they were good.
At other times they were awful. Sure, they got the award for the best OL, but that doesn't mean that they weren't bad at times last year.
Posted on 4/18/16 at 6:23 pm to Funky Tide 8
Couple more things...
Hurts looked like he was looking at different levels of each play. He threw the ball accurately and on time from the pocket. He moved away from from pressure well and knew where he could get rid of the ball for positive yards. And he got the hell out of the pocket when he needed to and still kept his eyes downfield. I know it sounds like I'm freaking out about his ability, I'm honestly not trying to. It's just what I saw. With good protection(I assume Alabama will have at least an above average OL) and Hurts being able to run and pick up first downs, I think he could be a good option this coming season.
Bateman didn't look like he had a purpose with his actions from play to play. Didn't look like he was "playing the position." Hurts did. If the play wasn't perfect, Bateman was launching the ball 15 rows up like it was on fire. There is a line between playing smart(what people keep saying Saban values above all else) and not being comfortable making an offense flow.
I've said it 100 times and I'm probably getting annoying, but so much of Kiffin's offense is about flow. Be able to make the short timing passes on time, get the ball out so the receivers can make plays, extend or scramble if needed, have a nice running game with the RBs, and eventually Kiffin is going to dial up chunk plays and shite snowballs in a good way.
It's been proven that being timid, slow, and inaccurate can bog down Kiffin's offense in a really bad way. Horrific rookie mistakes are obviously bad. But who's to say Hurts is a mistake making machine?
Don't we all watch these offenses work with young athletic and accurate QBs? QBs don't have to be AJ anymore. It's not like Hurts would be asked to sit in the pocket for 7 seconds and perfectly dissect coverages like Peyton.
Damn this was a long post
Hurts looked like he was looking at different levels of each play. He threw the ball accurately and on time from the pocket. He moved away from from pressure well and knew where he could get rid of the ball for positive yards. And he got the hell out of the pocket when he needed to and still kept his eyes downfield. I know it sounds like I'm freaking out about his ability, I'm honestly not trying to. It's just what I saw. With good protection(I assume Alabama will have at least an above average OL) and Hurts being able to run and pick up first downs, I think he could be a good option this coming season.
Bateman didn't look like he had a purpose with his actions from play to play. Didn't look like he was "playing the position." Hurts did. If the play wasn't perfect, Bateman was launching the ball 15 rows up like it was on fire. There is a line between playing smart(what people keep saying Saban values above all else) and not being comfortable making an offense flow.
I've said it 100 times and I'm probably getting annoying, but so much of Kiffin's offense is about flow. Be able to make the short timing passes on time, get the ball out so the receivers can make plays, extend or scramble if needed, have a nice running game with the RBs, and eventually Kiffin is going to dial up chunk plays and shite snowballs in a good way.
It's been proven that being timid, slow, and inaccurate can bog down Kiffin's offense in a really bad way. Horrific rookie mistakes are obviously bad. But who's to say Hurts is a mistake making machine?
Don't we all watch these offenses work with young athletic and accurate QBs? QBs don't have to be AJ anymore. It's not like Hurts would be asked to sit in the pocket for 7 seconds and perfectly dissect coverages like Peyton.
Damn this was a long post
Posted on 4/19/16 at 12:20 am to Teague
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And, if fans like you coached the team, every new, shiny, 5 star who came in and did well in a scrimmage game against the #2 defense would start and Bama would have a 6-6 record every year. Bama has elite talent everywhere. They don't need to start a green QB.
I never said Hurts should start. I said he shouldn't be completely disregarded because of his classification. I said he looked poised considering he's only been in the system for 4 months. Of course a true freshman is going to make mistakes but this notion that he shouldn't start because he's a true freshman is being very close minded.
Posted on 4/19/16 at 7:35 am to Funky Tide 8
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At other times they were awful. Sure, they got the award for the best OL, but that doesn't mean that they weren't bad at times last year.
The middle of the season they were downright bad. Arkansas, Post-1st quarter A&M, Tennessee. They were jumping offsides, getting blown up on half the downs.
After the bye week Cam got healthy and things got a lot better.
Posted on 4/19/16 at 7:36 am to SummerOfGeorge
Good stuff Reauxl
Posted on 4/19/16 at 9:02 am to Number1Gump
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I never said Hurts should start. I said he shouldn't be completely disregarded because of his classification. I said he looked poised considering he's only been in the system for 4 months. Of course a true freshman is going to make mistakes but this notion that he shouldn't start because he's a true freshman is being very close minded.
I am not suggesting he shouldn't start BECAUSE he's a true freshman. I'm saying because he's a true freshman, he won't win the job. ;) That looks like the same statement, but it isn't.
I think you guys are placing way too much stock in a scrimmage against the backup D, with the playcalling on both sides simplified. I thought he looked good. If I'm not mistaken, he's a coach's son, right? That's a plus. But, I thought Barnett had a comparable performance. And, I think Bateman, if he'd played against the 2's, would have put up much better numbers too. It's just practice. I'm not ruling out that some superhuman freshman might come in some day and start his first year (although I highly doubt it), and Hurts looked like he'll be very good for us, after he gets some time in the system. But, he didn't look superhuman.
Do you know how many true freshmen QB's have ever won a NC? One. And even he didn't start every game.
This post was edited on 4/19/16 at 1:29 pm
Posted on 4/19/16 at 11:23 am to Teague
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I think you guys are placing way too much stock in a scrimmage against the backup D, with the playcalling on both sides simplified.
Maybe so, maybe not?
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But, I thought Barnett had a comparable performance.
Did he do that well last year? I can't seem to remember anything too remarkable about his performance last year.
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And, I think Bateman, if he'd been with the 2's, would have put up much better numbers too.
Maybe so, maybe not?
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But, he didn't look superhuman.
I don't think anyone has claimed this.
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Do you know how many true freshmen QB's have ever won a NC? One. And even he didn't start every game.
Do you know how many true freshman QBs have ever had the offensive talent that we have, and the defense that we are going to have this year? I'm guessing very, very few.
This post was edited on 4/19/16 at 11:26 am
Posted on 4/19/16 at 11:25 am to Teague
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I am not suggesting he shouldn't start BECAUSE he's a true freshman. I'm saying because he's a true freshman, he won't win the job. ;) That looks like the same statement, but it isn't.
I think you guys are placing way too much stock in a scrimmage against the backup D, with the playcalling on both sides simplified. I thought he looked good. If I'm not mistaken, he's a coach's son, right? That's a plus. But, I thought Barnett had a comparable performance. And, I think Bateman, if he'd been with the 2's, would have put up much better numbers too. It's just practice. I'm not ruling out that some superhuman freshman might come in some day and start his first year (although I highly doubt it), and Hurts looked like he'll be very good for us, after he gets some time in the system. But, he didn't look superhuman.
Do you how many true freshmen QB's have ever won a NC? One, and even he didn't start every game.
I see your point. He's not superhuman, not even close but I just don't agree with counting him out just because he's a true freshman (even if he does have an uphill battle to climb). He seemed to be closer to the other guys than i would have originally thought given that they've had a full year in the system. I've been disappointed with just about every 4/5 star we've gotten over the past 20 years. Maybe I'm just a little excited because this one finally looks further along at this point in the season than many of the others have. Not saying he's game ready at all but so far I see many positive signs that he could live up to his expectations eventually.
Posted on 4/19/16 at 12:10 pm to Number1Gump
I don't think I'm REALLY disagreeing with what most of you guys are saying. I just don't think it's realistic to think he'll play this year, unless a couple of guys get injured or something.
This post was edited on 4/19/16 at 12:56 pm
Posted on 4/19/16 at 12:51 pm to stomp
I don't care who gets it, I just don't think it will be a true FS. Just because playing at Tenn, LSU is a different animal. Cooper needs to show something though, against OM he could've used his wheels to extend plays, but he didn't , so if he has the weakest arm and doesn't run that concerns me. Playing against BAMAS first D , he should at least run.
Posted on 4/19/16 at 1:21 pm to Bamadoc
I would rather have Alec Morris then Bateman, too bad he transferred.
Posted on 4/19/16 at 1:36 pm to remaster916
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I would rather have Alec Morris then Bateman, too bad he transferred.
Ha no thanks. Morris was a 1AA QB with no arm and no wheels. Other than that he was stellar.
Posted on 4/19/16 at 9:04 pm to Funky Tide 8
Barnett threw like 4 picks in last year's spring game. So there is a HUGE difference between him last year and Hurts this year. But I trust Saban to make the right call. Bateman looked really good on that last drive just before the pick. Barnett looked pretty damn good the other day, he just needs to get even more comfortable with the offensive scheme.
I do think Hurts could see a role similar to Blake when he was a backup. Someone who comes in to help the offense run the clock out and get some more points.
I do think Hurts could see a role similar to Blake when he was a backup. Someone who comes in to help the offense run the clock out and get some more points.
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