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re: Now we know why the QB stats are guarded like Area 51

Posted on 4/17/16 at 12:40 pm to
Posted by Number1Gump
Atlanta, GA
Member since Aug 2009
1368 posts
Posted on 4/17/16 at 12:40 pm to
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Saban is going to choose whoever is best for the team and, based on past events, I'm certain that whatever decision he makes will be the right one.



You're right Saban will choose the best player for the job. I'm glad he's ahhhhh evolved enough to keep an open mind.
Posted by Teague
The Shoals, AL
Member since Aug 2007
21691 posts
Posted on 4/17/16 at 1:52 pm to
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I was impressed with the job Hurts did given the amount of time he's been under the system versus the other QB's. If he keeps improving I wouldn't be surprised if he gets the nod given he adds another dimension to the offense that Saban has always admitted he's wanted. Some of you will not want the young man as quarterback regardless until he's undeniably the best and you have nothing else to argue. If the competition is boarderline or even close to boarderline enough to to make an argument you'll pull for anybody but Hurts even though he has the most available years left to play. I'm not sure why?


Stop with the BS insinuations. He looks like he'll be a beast in the future. But, a true freshman is not who you want leading an otherwise NC caliber team. Too many mistakes, and the playbook would have to be dialed back.
Posted by Funky Tide 8
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Member since Feb 2009
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Posted on 4/17/16 at 3:03 pm to
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He looks like he'll be a beast in the future


Yep, the future being this fall.
Posted by Bama Eric
Member since Nov 2015
661 posts
Posted on 4/17/16 at 3:28 pm to
Folks were wanting a true freshman last year too. Some things never change.
Posted by Wranglerinbama
Gulf Coast of AL
Member since Feb 2016
153 posts
Posted on 4/17/16 at 3:52 pm to
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If the competition is boarderline or even close to boarderline enough to to make an argument you'll pull for anybody but Hurts even though he has the most available years left to play. I'm not sure why?


GTFO of here with this crap. Nobody on this board gives one single frick about what you're insinuating. The only thing we care about is the team winning a bunch of damn games, making the SECCG and the CFPO CG.

Whomever the starting QB is will be the player Coach Saban and Kiffin believe gives the team the best chance to win the next game this year.


History shows coach Saban will choose a more experienced older guy, one that will make the least mistakes but still has the necessary tools to get the job done.

Hurts might be the best option at some point in his career but I seriously doubt that will be this year. One practice game where the competition is very different doesn't prove who's the best. There's a big difference in playing vs the 1st team defense vs the 2nd/3rd team. To think otherwise is foolish.

I just want the team to play the best they can and have a chance to win the SEC and make the CFPO. I want all the players to succeed when their number is called upon to play.

GTFO with your race baiting !
Posted by Funky Tide 8
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Member since Feb 2009
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Posted on 4/17/16 at 4:30 pm to
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Folks were wanting a true freshman last year too. Some things never change.



For sure.I wasn't one of those people though. Didnt think barnett was ready last year and he doesnt seem ready this year. Hurts seems like the real deal. Looks like a little DeShaun Watson out there.
Posted by Bama Eric
Member since Nov 2015
661 posts
Posted on 4/17/16 at 4:50 pm to
I think we're all excited about Hurts.
Posted by Chad44
Studio City
Member since Jul 2009
528 posts
Posted on 4/17/16 at 5:10 pm to
Hurts was amesome looking.
Posted by CrimsonCrusade
Member since Jan 2014
5150 posts
Posted on 4/17/16 at 8:33 pm to
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I was impressed with the job Hurts did given the amount of time he's been under the system versus the other QB's. If he keeps improving I wouldn't be surprised if he gets the nod given he adds another dimension to the offense that Saban has always admitted he's wanted. Some of you will not want the young man as quarterback regardless until he's undeniably the best and you have nothing else to argue. If the competition is boarderline or even close to boarderline enough to to make an argument you'll pull for anybody but Hurts even though he has the most available years left to play. I'm not sure why?


I think that's a silly suggestion. It would be difficult for someone who is severely racist against black people to be a fan of Alabama football. Many of the most beloved players in this program's history are black. There may be some Bama fans who take issue with a black quarterback, but I think that would be a very distinct minority. I can confidently say that virtually everyone wants the best guy to win the job, regardless of what socially-constructed group they belong to.
Posted by YStar
Member since Mar 2013
15181 posts
Posted on 4/17/16 at 9:00 pm to
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I think that's a silly suggestion. It would be difficult for someone who is severely racist against black people to be a fan of Alabama football. Many of the most beloved players in this program's history are black.


This is absolute nonsense only worse than the thought "racism doesn't exist anymore!". You're acting as if people don't find double-standards in their way of thinking but ignore them because it is beneficial.

At the end of the day even those piece of shite people want their team to win and they understand that without the people the hate; this is impossible. That is there way of "tolerating".

Anyways, I don't see why there is such a backlash. Last year when everyone wanted Blake Barnett to start I never saw this. What I saw was the band wagon get so damn heavy the wheels almost went flat.
This post was edited on 4/17/16 at 9:05 pm
Posted by tider04
North Carolina
Member since Oct 2007
5606 posts
Posted on 4/17/16 at 9:48 pm to
Same song different verse. You suckers fall for the new kid with all the stars every time, and every year Saban starts the boring veteran and we proceed to dominate people. Get ready for the Bateman show in all likelihood. Barnett and Hurts both have high ceilings but they are both green...and you don't want a green signal caller when you have a championship defense and elite skill players all over the field.
Posted by tide06
Member since Oct 2011
11165 posts
Posted on 4/17/16 at 9:54 pm to
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Anyways, I don't see why there is such a backlash. Last year when everyone wanted Blake Barnett to start I never saw this. What I saw was the band wagon get so damn heavy the wheels almost went flat.


Anyone who wanted a true freshman to start for a NC caliber team last year is a moron. We wouldn't have sniffed the playoffs and would've turned a championship into a 9 or 10 win season.

That said, anytime you sign the #1 QB in a class you are going to have people anointing him the chosen one before he even shows up on campus. If Hurts were a 5* or the #1 QB in his class it would be the same for him.

One things for sure: Nick Saban doesnt give half a damn what color a kid is, all he and 99% of the fanbase cares about is who can win us football games and whoever gives us the best chance to do that will be under center against USC.

Hurts has looked amazing and he might well be the future, but I think we should all be hoping that he doesnt have to be the present.
This post was edited on 4/17/16 at 10:00 pm
Posted by Number1Gump
Atlanta, GA
Member since Aug 2009
1368 posts
Posted on 4/18/16 at 1:40 am to
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GTFO of here with this crap. Nobody on this board gives one single frick about what you're insinuating. The only thing we care about is the team winning a bunch of damn games, making the SECCG and the CFPO CG.

Whomever the starting QB is will be the player Coach Saban and Kiffin believe gives the team the best chance to win the next game this year.


History shows coach Saban will choose a more experienced older guy, one that will make the least mistakes but still has the necessary tools to get the job done.

Hurts might be the best option at some point in his career but I seriously doubt that will be this year. One practice game where the competition is very different doesn't prove who's the best. There's a big difference in playing vs the 1st team defense vs the 2nd/3rd team. To think otherwise is foolish.

I just want the team to play the best they can and have a chance to win the SEC and make the CFPO. I want all the players to succeed when their number is called upon to play.

GTFO with your race baiting !


No one is race baiting....I'm just saying what a lot of people feel and just too politcally correct to say anything. Anytime someone makes a reference to what I'm saying everyone gets soooo defensive. Hell, many of you didn't warm up to Blake Sims until halfway through the season. That young man had to learn several positions while at the Capstone from running back to quarterback and if he made a mistake people were calling for his head. Some of you asses are racist and don't even realize it. Until you are a part of it you don't realize how prevalent it still is. I remember Tyler Watts being allowed to mess up over, and over, and over and people still stood behind him. UA has an ugly stigma still associated with it and black quarterbacks. There's a reason we've only had 2 or 3 starters in the history of the program. If you can't see that you're either stupid, naive, or just plain dumb. What I'm saying is historically blacks have not been given the same leniency and time to develope at that position as whites. Saban is the best thing that has happened to the University in more ways than one. He's going to play the person who he thinks is going to give him the best opportunity to win regardless of color and if you don't like it, you can stick it where the sun don't shine. I'm venting because I already see people in here formulating excuses against Hurts from one damn practice scrimmage. He's been on campus for 4 MONTHS!!!! If he's ALMOST as good as the other guys whose been in the system over a year that's pretty impressive for a true freshman whether you want to admit it or not. I'm not even saying he should start....I'm just saying give the young man a chance before you start ridiculing.
Really.....some of you are biased and don't realize it. Some of you are biased and don't give a damn.


Oh and Wrangler....you say "Nobody on this board gives one single frick about what you're (me) insinuating. The only thing we care about is the team winning a bunch of damn games, making the SECCG and the CFPO CG." Well....speak for yourself. That's another problem. Just because YOU may not care or be biased/racist you think it doesn't exist. Get your damn head out the sand and open your eyes. There are stupid people everywhere....we just happen to have a few more than many other places.

Sorry I'm just saying what needs to be said. I graduated from the UA and love it. I just don't like some of the fans at times.
Posted by Number1Gump
Atlanta, GA
Member since Aug 2009
1368 posts
Posted on 4/18/16 at 1:52 am to
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Stop with the BS insinuations. He looks like he'll be a beast in the future. But, a true freshman is not who you want leading an otherwise NC caliber team. Too many mistakes, and the playbook would have to be dialed back.


Teague....I'm not going to say he shouldn't based on his classification. If everyone had such tunnel vision how could you ever aspire to be great? What If he was the next Peyton Manning or Bret Farve but Saban didn't play him because he was a true freshman? You can't just stifle someone's progress or hinder their development with labels. It seems like no matter how good Hurts would have done if you were the coach you wouldn't let him play because he's a true freshman. Stop with the blanket limitations and let it play out FAIRLY on the field before passing judgement.
Posted by Number1Gump
Atlanta, GA
Member since Aug 2009
1368 posts
Posted on 4/18/16 at 2:13 am to
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I think that's a silly suggestion. It would be difficult for someone who is severely racist against black people to be a fan of Alabama football. Many of the most beloved players in this program's history are black. There may be some Bama fans who take issue with a black quarterback, but I think that would be a very distinct minority. I can confidently say that virtually everyone wants the best guy to win the job, regardless of what socially-constructed group they belong to.


Crimson Crusade, you're right! Ultimately most Bama fans just want to win games. The only thing I'm saying is blacks are given a really thin margin of error at Bama before the fans start calling for someone else. I would say that 95% of blacks feel this way about quarterbacks at Alabama. That's why it's so difficult to recruit a black dual threat quarterback at Bama. They just feel like the odds are stacked against them here. If you don't believe most blacks feel this way I challenge you to ask any of your black friends to give you an honest answer about how they feel. Ask any black Alabama fan that follows football. Forget the political correctness and tell them to just throw it on the line and tell you how they really feel. I guarantee that you will be surprised.

Saban is the 1st coach with the Nuts to say, "frick everyone, I'm playing the person I think gives us the best opportunity to win."
Posted by Number1Gump
Atlanta, GA
Member since Aug 2009
1368 posts
Posted on 4/18/16 at 2:29 am to
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all the stars every time, and every year Saban starts the boring veteran and we proceed to dominate people. Get ready for the Bateman show in all likelihood. Barnett and Hurts both have high ceilings but they are both green...and you don't want a green signal caller when you have a championship defense and elite skill players all over the field.




tider04...I honestly don't know man. I haven't fallen for the new kid but I felt it necessary to defend him because I've seen an ugly pattern. I am however impressed with his poise given his time in the system and I'll leave it at that. Only time will tell. Can you imagine how deadly our team would be with a Deshaun Watson type quarterback and our stellar defense? We've won our championships with pretty good game managers. Smart guys, who didn't put us in bad situations and was good enough to hit some passes here and there. I can't remember the last time we had a quarterback who could put the game on his shoulders. I still don't know if we have a guy like that but if we did it would be unfair to other teams. If Barnett, Bateman, or Hurt could develope into a player like that I'm all for it.
Posted by sarc
Member since Mar 2011
9997 posts
Posted on 4/18/16 at 4:34 am to
I honestly haven't seen anyone "ridicule" or even be critical of Hurts' performance. I think that's why some people think you're reading something into the situation that isn't there. FTR al lot of people were hoping Barnett would start last year but there were a lot of people who expressed concern about starting a true freshman. No different than the JH discussion now. If there were more people on the BB bandwagon it was probably because of the amount of hype he received as a recruit, not because he's white. JMO
Posted by Sneaky__Sally
Member since Jul 2015
12364 posts
Posted on 4/18/16 at 5:54 am to
Ya I don't really see where he is coming from on this one. Dude is a freshman that has been here for four months and looked great in the one televised spring game against the #2's. Conversely his first team qb was missing his best OL and didn't have any time the whole day.

But freshmen qb's are prone to mistakes and whoever limits their mistakes the best will end up being the starter. I really don't see where the race thing comes in but think you are correct about the hype he received as a recruit. Star Jackson had tons of hype as the future when he got here, just never panned out on the field.
Posted by Teague
The Shoals, AL
Member since Aug 2007
21691 posts
Posted on 4/18/16 at 7:28 am to
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Teague....I'm not going to say he shouldn't based on his classification. If everyone had such tunnel vision how could you ever aspire to be great? What If he was the next Peyton Manning or Bret Farve but Saban didn't play him because he was a true freshman? You can't just stifle someone's progress or hinder their development with labels. It seems like no matter how good Hurts would have done if you were the coach you wouldn't let him play because he's a true freshman. Stop with the blanket limitations and let it play out FAIRLY on the field before passing judgement.


And, if fans like you coached the team, every new, shiny, 5 star who came in and did well in a scrimmage game against the #2 defense would start and Bama would have a 6-6 record every year. Bama has elite talent everywhere. They don't need to start a green QB.
Posted by CrimsonCrusade
Member since Jan 2014
5150 posts
Posted on 4/18/16 at 8:06 am to
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This is absolute nonsense only worse than the thought "racism doesn't exist anymore!". You're acting as if people don't find double-standards in their way of thinking but ignore them because it is beneficial.

At the end of the day even those piece of shite people want their team to win and they understand that without the people the hate; this is impossible. That is there way of "tolerating".

Anyways, I don't see why there is such a backlash. Last year when everyone wanted Blake Barnett to start I never saw this. What I saw was the band wagon get so damn heavy the wheels almost went flat.


Bama had a starting black quarterback in the early 80s by the name of Walter Lewis. There are countless black quarterbacks now. This hasn't been an issue for 30+ years, but some people just look for race in everything. The fact of the matter, demonstrated by study after study, is that the majority of people are not seriously racist against blacks any more, especially not with regard to their role in sports. Get with the times.
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