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re: Leaving early, block seating, and rewarding real fans.
Posted on 10/22/13 at 2:12 pm to ATLabama
Posted on 10/22/13 at 2:12 pm to ATLabama
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I can't imagine any post in this thread warranting the vitriol that seems to be exuded.
First off, no vitriol was being exuded by that post. It was merely a statement explaining that people weren't attacking you for being greek, but that your posts were coming across as condescending to any one who doesn't want to pay for the perks you've explicitly detailed.
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What? I want the image of my University on national television to be as pristine as possible? Oh the horror!
I think that's what all the posters want, they just have different opinions on what "pristine" is. You feel that it's about separatism and wearing suits and sundresses, the others feel that unified support that lasts for the entirety of the game. I find your definition quite superficial, but it's your right to hold that opinion.
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Block seating is something I personally enjoyed as a student, and think it is a privilege that should be enjoyed by future generations by those who chose to pay the extra money for it and jump through countless hoops to maintain the privilege.
Again, this comes off as condescending to non-greeks, and really just makes you look petty. I will have considerably more respect for you if you paid your own dues, and didn't have your parents foot that bill.
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A few 'Did you knows' about block seating:
Oooo, I like learning
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Every member of each Greek organization's dues each semester goes towards the privilege. The undisclosed amount brings in extraordinarily high revenues for the University's athletic department, that otherwise, would not be generated.
Disclose it, then it may carry enough weight to matter.
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Every fraternity who has a block has to submit a detailed application that includes a GPA requirement, quite a few community service hours, and a myriad of fees and waivers.
What about the non-greeks who have high gpas and do community service out of the kindness of their hearts as opposed to because their organization requires it? I mean I wouldn't have a problem filling out an application and submitting to the criteria if it meant I could have a permanently reserved seat in the student section.
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[Here's a real kicker] Did you know block seating is not just for greeks? The Law School, MBA School, and Mallett Assembly (probably the exact 180 from stereotypical greek life) all have had block seating at one point.
I did know that one, and I think that's dumb too. If they want to sit together, show up together. I can understanding saving a seat or two if somebody got hung up, but saving several rows is a bit excessive.
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When the idea of block seating being extinguished was seriously considered in 2009 when Coach Saban made mention of it, the idea was presented to the major benefactors and board members of the University and the Athletic Department. The idea was unanimously defeated, for obvious reasons
So the board didn't want to give up extra money and cowered to the threats of alumni. That's not surprising and just how the system works. I get that.
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So before you pick up your pitchforks and rage against the machine, understand the totality of the process.
I understand it, I just don't agree with it. Your arguments in favor of it pretty much boil down to "We pay dues to belong to an organization other students don't. Therefore, we deserve the best seats."
For what it's worth, I don't care if block seating stays or goes.
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Again--it's a football game. If the game is out of hand, who cares? I love a packed house, I really do. But I'll never blame any group of people for choosing to leave the seats they paid and put in hours for early, to do something else when the game is out of hand.
Like taking advantage of a blacked out freshman, amiright?
(Sorry, that had a bit of vitriol, but you left yourself wide open to it)
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Posted on 10/22/13 at 2:36 pm to BamaChemE
This is pretty much my feelings toward his posts as well. It wasn't so much the content as much as him saying the rest of the student section doesn't look as nice as the Greek section as much as the elitist tone that was used. I don't even think it was meant to come off as elitist, but it is impossible to say without sounding elitist that you deserve reserved seating because you had extra money to join an organization that many perfectly qualified students are unable to join because of financial reasons.
Personally, I don't care all that much about block seating. Fundamentally, I am against it because it is giving a privilege to groups that have IMO done little to deserve it other than pay the required fee, but I would care more if they were given better seats instead of end zone the worst ones. Really, it just seems like they simply don't want to interact with the rest of the student body.
Personally, I don't care all that much about block seating. Fundamentally, I am against it because it is giving a privilege to groups that have IMO done little to deserve it other than pay the required fee, but I would care more if they were given better seats instead of end zone the worst ones. Really, it just seems like they simply don't want to interact with the rest of the student body.
Posted on 10/22/13 at 2:39 pm to BamaChemE
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BamaChemE
Great responses, haha. Also enjoyed the punchline. I can appreciate anyone who can actually respond in a thread, rather than simply say "you're a tool."
In the end, we all love the Tide. We all hate Tennessee. That's what we're here for, isn't it?
Posted on 10/22/13 at 3:00 pm to ATLabama
make sure you pick up plenty of cups this weekend and make your brothers proud of you. I'm sure you will earn their reapect and y'all will be lifelong friends
Posted on 10/22/13 at 5:09 pm to UAFanFromNOLA
I started this thread, so I definitely have an opinion on it.
I was in an Old Row fraternity and sat in block seating for every game for several years. I thought it was unfair then and I think it is unfair now. You either have assigned seats or first-come-first-server.
And the whole greeks dressing up for games crap is stupid. I'm fine with them dressing up. I wouldn't care if the girls wore tuxedos and the boys wore speedos. The attitude, however is quite objectionable though. Greeks have always been too full of themselves and it isn't a good thing. It is a lesson that most of those guys and girls are going to learn the hard way save a few old-money socialites that get to retreat to their dad's country club when they graduate.
I was in an Old Row fraternity and sat in block seating for every game for several years. I thought it was unfair then and I think it is unfair now. You either have assigned seats or first-come-first-server.
And the whole greeks dressing up for games crap is stupid. I'm fine with them dressing up. I wouldn't care if the girls wore tuxedos and the boys wore speedos. The attitude, however is quite objectionable though. Greeks have always been too full of themselves and it isn't a good thing. It is a lesson that most of those guys and girls are going to learn the hard way save a few old-money socialites that get to retreat to their dad's country club when they graduate.
Posted on 10/22/13 at 5:37 pm to CrimsonCoast
quote:I dress up because I like looking nice. Other people don't dress up because they don't care. Either way, it really is not a big deal. If students started wearing shirts like those "frick Duke" shirts Maryland was wearing a few years back, I would care, but otherwise, they aren't representing the University poorly, so it isn't a big deal.
And the whole greeks dressing up for games crap is stupid. I'm fine with them dressing up. I wouldn't care if the girls wore tuxedos and the boys wore speedos. The attitude, however is quite objectionable though. Greeks have always been too full of themselves and it isn't a good thing. It is a lesson that most of those guys and girls are going to learn the hard way save a few old-money socialites that get to retreat to their dad's country club when they graduate.
This post was edited on 10/22/13 at 5:39 pm
Posted on 10/22/13 at 7:02 pm to ATLabama
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I'm sorry, but I want them to keep block seating.
They pay 2-4k a semester for dues, and that's a benefit they get with it. Who cares if they leave in the middle of the 3rd? Heck, I tried to stay the whole game against Arkansas, and I couldn't even do it.
I loved block seating as a student, and was a perk for my sophomore through junior years. Freshman year, I spent 80% of the season in the concession line, running drinks for actives. It's a price you have to pay.
Also, it's BY FAR the best representation of our school when they do fan shots of the student section. I want our University represented by well-dressed young men in button-downs and polos accompanied by southern belles in sun dresses--NOT a bunch of overweight fools that paint their chest and dress up like some superhero.
Every time we are on TV its a representation of our University as a whole. I'd rather have those that fill the block seating shown than the alternative.
I'm sorry but I wouldn't want to have the organizatons that have recently been exposed to still have racial prejudices and tendiences in 2013 to represent my school. I'm not saying that all the Greeks are racist, obviously, but I think that we can all agree on the fact that their reputation has been severely tarnished. It's bad enough that that section behind the endzone isn't diverse. It wouldn't be good for the University as a whole to have them to be representives of the entire student body.
Posted on 10/22/13 at 7:26 pm to CapstoneGrad06
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We never left as students, which was in the Shula era, and I dare not now.
That's because in the Shula years we were down 14-10 at the half to the likes of Duke. The games against cream puffs generally didn't start going our way until our superior depth started kicking in around the 3rd and 4th quarters.
I thought the 38-3 win over Florida International in 2006 was a BIG win. Times have most definitely changed.
This post was edited on 10/22/13 at 7:28 pm
Posted on 10/22/13 at 8:36 pm to RollTide1987
Thank you. I don't really like all these "back in the day" arguments because it isn't just the students leaving early. Everyone is doing it, and they weren't back in the day because the games were often closer.
Posted on 10/22/13 at 8:54 pm to ATLabama
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It is a representation we make as a University to everyone. That includes Fortune 500 company executives who recruit on campus; it includes a litany of Southern Culture bashers who might notice how polished our students look for a football game, and remove the typical stereotypes that we have; it is everyone who is skeptical about sending their kid to a southern school from out of the region, but sees that the student body is made up of budding, young professionals.
I was not remarking about looks, rather, attire and decorum.
You can say all you want, but if you show up to a job interview (and I fully understand a football game is not one), you "dress for success."
I want the perception of our University, which gets the eyeballs of many prospective students, parents, employers, etc... to get the message that when it comes to your needs (going here, sending your kids here, recruiting for your company)--choose us.
I'd rather have a young-professional perception, than the one painted-up, costume wearing, etc... crowd brings.
Say what you want, but perception is reality.
Congrats on being an errand boy, instead of enjoying the games.
Fortune 500 recruiters please take note of the following images......
The Princeton guy is at least wearing a tie, guess he in on your side of the argument.
Posted on 10/22/13 at 8:56 pm to bona fide
Posted on 10/22/13 at 8:59 pm to pvilleguru
I felt like when I left this thread last night it was pretty civil and now I'm scared to even read it. Needs the obligatory:
Posted on 10/22/13 at 9:29 pm to RTR America
Posted on 10/22/13 at 9:30 pm to bona fide
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bona fide
Posted on 10/23/13 at 8:08 am to pvilleguru
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I'm saying this to you from the bottom of my heart: frick you.
I 2nd Pville
Posted on 10/23/13 at 8:51 am to ATLabama
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It's not a "frat" bubble, by any means. It is a representation we make as a University to everyone. That includes Fortune 500 company executives who recruit on campus; it includes a litany of Southern Culture bashers who might notice how polished our students look for a football game, and remove the typical stereotypes that we have; it is everyone who is skeptical about sending their kid to a southern school from out of the region, but sees that the student body is made up of budding, young professionals. I was not remarking about looks, rather, attire and decorum. You can say all you want, but if you show up to a job interview (and I fully understand a football game is not one), you "dress for success." I want the perception of our University, which gets the eyeballs of many prospective students, parents, employers, etc... to get the message that when it comes to your needs (going here, sending your kids here, recruiting for your company)--choose us. I'd rather have a young-professional perception, than the one painted-up, costume wearing, etc... crowd brings. Say what you want, but perception is reality.
This post by this idiot actually makes me proud that, when I graduated from USA, I beat out kids from UTexas, UA, AU, GT and a bunch of other schools for a job at Chevron. I met and talked with all of the candidates and every one of them to a man and woman had this exact same attitude. They were convinced that their superior schooling and fraternity connections along with their young age would trump my 40 year old arse that went back to school late in life. Not a chance in hell I was losing a job to any of those douchebags and I didn't.
Posted on 10/23/13 at 9:32 am to artompkins
University may take away student block seating after poor attendance
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The message from University of Alabama to students: use your football seats for the whole game, or lose them.
Leaders are taking a closer look at seating for school organizations during home football games and now, the SGA President has a warning for students.
Students leaving games early isn't a new trend, but this year student organizations could lose seating if it continues to happen.
SGA President Jimmy Taylor sent an email last week to all student organizations reminding them that they've signed an agreement to stay until the end of the game. But this past Saturday against Arkansas, the seating was nearly empty.
Students who spoke to FOX6 say Bama's dominance on the field could be affecting attendance.
"Sometimes people might get bored just because [Alabama] beat [Arkansas] by so much," Kate Sarano said.
However, one student thinks taking away the block seating would benefit attendance.
"If block seating was taken away, more students that don't have the opportunity to be in fraternities or other organizations will be able to stay and enjoy the game a lot more than they would having to sit up a row and not have very close seats," Taylor Crow said.
The SGA and Student Affairs are looking at photos from the Arkansas game to determine what appropriate action to take.
Posted on 10/23/13 at 10:22 am to ATLabama
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A few 'Did you knows' about block seating:
-Every member of each Greek organization's dues each semester goes towards the privilege. The undisclosed amount brings in extraordinarily high revenues for the University's athletic department, that otherwise, would not be generated.
Boy, you are dense. This is complete and utter bullshite. I really hope you weren't sold this shite by your pledge trainer
Posted on 10/23/13 at 10:27 am to CapstoneGrad04
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Boy, you are dense. This is complete and utter bullshite. I really hope you weren't sold this shite by your pledge trainer
I tried to ask how much from each of the dues went per person, but got no answer
Posted on 10/23/13 at 10:33 am to CapstoneGrad04
he is still probably cleaning up the stalls from a band party last night. maybe he will come back and enlighten us later today.
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