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Posted on 9/7/16 at 7:52 pm to PowHound
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You call me when Jimbo loses to ole miss two years in a row,
Well if you want to play that, FSU lost to Clemson last year. See how that works?
That aside, regardless who the starting quarterback is, the team needs a good backup, so considering the two best qbs are both inexperienced freshmen, it's imperative to get them both some experience. If one goes down in a tough game and the other has had no experience, then not good. Right?
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Posted on 9/7/16 at 8:13 pm to Huddie Leadbetter
Or any of Jimbo's head scratching ACC losses.
Posted on 9/8/16 at 7:24 am to CapstoneGrad06
Say what you want about Jimbo, but he can identify and develop QB's.
The point of the thread was to ask if everyone is comfortable with the QB's splitting reps again this week, and possibly going into the Piss game with a QB with 25 career pass attempts under his belt. Or, if given the opportunity to decide would you want to see a concentrated effort to get one of the QB's a lot of reps in this game before Piss ?
The mere mention of how Jimbo handled his QB situation was too much for the thread to overcome. No one is challenging CNS here
The point of the thread was to ask if everyone is comfortable with the QB's splitting reps again this week, and possibly going into the Piss game with a QB with 25 career pass attempts under his belt. Or, if given the opportunity to decide would you want to see a concentrated effort to get one of the QB's a lot of reps in this game before Piss ?
The mere mention of how Jimbo handled his QB situation was too much for the thread to overcome. No one is challenging CNS here
Posted on 9/8/16 at 8:56 am to PowHound
I am not worried one bit. Saban is gonna do what he is gonna do. He is gonna do what is best for those players, the team, and the UofA. Who am I to question a 5 time NC coach?
Plus, 2 of his 4 NCs came with a 2 qb rotation at the beginning of the season.
Plus, 2 of his 4 NCs came with a 2 qb rotation at the beginning of the season.
Posted on 9/8/16 at 9:01 am to PowHound
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The mere mention of how Jimbo handled his QB situation was too much for the thread to overcome. No one is challenging CNS here
I've seen ONE game, Saban has seen everything. If he's made up his mind that's one thing. If he's not completely sure then it would make sense for them to split reps. If Hurts completely outplays Barnett this week then yes I think I'll question significant splitting of reps going forward.
Posted on 9/8/16 at 9:23 am to PowHound
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and possibly going into the Piss game with a QB with 25 career pass attempts under his belt. Or, if given the opportunity to decide would you want to see a concentrated effort to get one of the QB's a lot of reps in this game before Piss ?
What is the difference between 25 reps against usc and wku and 60 reps against usc and wku when they both have had a hundred plus reps against the best secondary in college football since the spring? I think you are putting too much worry into OM's secondary who just got mega torched by a QB in his first college football game. We will be fine bro. All of this is my opinion of course, and I respect your.
Posted on 9/8/16 at 9:36 am to PowHound
Fire Saban, hire Jimbo?
Posted on 9/8/16 at 10:18 am to PowHound
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The mere mention of how Jimbo handled his QB situation was too much for the thread to overcome
What is the FSU quarterback situation behind the guy that started? If they have game experience then he probably knows what to expect of them if the starter gets injured and can't play.
If, on the other hand, the next guy is another inexperienced freshman, like at UA, and the starter goes down, then it may or may not be so smart not to have played another qb. He may come in, be nervous or just a crappy qb (remember heisman candidate Jeremy Johnson?), and then Fisher might wish they'd played the guy to find out something about him in a game. Yes, no, maybe?
edit: Oh yeah, and I would suggest that Kiffin develops quarterbacks at least as well, and imo better, than Fisher or whoever else at FSU.
Coker was at FSU 2 or 3 seasons, transferred to UA, and was evidently not "developed" enough at FSU to beat out Blake Sims, a substitute utility player that Kiffin developed into a record setting QB that won the SEC. After a year with Kiffin, though, Coker then plays well enough the next year to win the SEC and a national title.
Get it?
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Posted on 9/8/16 at 10:43 am to PowHound
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The mere mention of how Jimbo handled his QB situation was too much for the thread to overcome. No one is challenging CNS here
It's not the mention of how Jimbo handled his QB situation, but that you're making more out of it than what it is. Did you know that FSU had 2 QBs listed as co-No. 1s at the start of fall camp? Fisher was potentially facing the same QB situation as Saban to start the year...Francois won the competition by default after Maguire broke a bone in his foot...he started Francois because he had no choice, not because "Jimbo decided to start his most talented QB, a redshirt freshman." There was a decent chance that he would've went with the more experienced Maguire barring the injury...
As for letting him throw 52 passes, seems to me he did that because they were behind by more than 3 TDs...if I remember correctly, Saban/Kiffin had us throwing the ball almost 60 times last year against Ole Miss when we fell way behind...
Fisher is a great coach, makes excellent halftime adjustments, and is very good at developing QBs...but the two decisions you're praising him for (starting a RS freshman, throwing 52 passes) were due more to necessity than genius...
Posted on 9/8/16 at 3:25 pm to Huddie Leadbetter
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If, on the other hand, the next guy is another inexperienced freshman, like at UA, and the starter goes down, then it may or may not be so smart not to have played another qb. He may come in, be nervous or just a crappy qb (remember heisman candidate Jeremy Johnson?), and then Fisher might wish they'd played the guy to find out something about him in a game. Yes, no, maybe?
edit: Oh yeah, and I would suggest that Kiffin develops quarterbacks at least as well, and imo better, than Fisher or whoever else at FSU.
Coker was at FSU 2 or 3 seasons, transferred to UA, and was evidently not "developed" enough at FSU to beat out Blake Sims, a substitute utility player that Kiffin developed into a record setting QB that won the SEC. After a year with Kiffin, though, Coker then plays well enough the next year to win the SEC and a national title.
Have an upvote, sir. (Hannibal ?)
Posted on 9/8/16 at 4:03 pm to Huddie Leadbetter
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What is the FSU quarterback situation behind the guy that started? If they have game experience then he probably knows what to expect of them if the starter gets injured and can't play.
If, on the other hand, the next guy is another inexperienced freshman, like at UA, and the starter goes down, then it may or may not be so smart not to have played another qb. He may come in, be nervous or just a crappy qb (remember heisman candidate Jeremy Johnson?), and then Fisher might wish they'd played the guy to find out something about him in a game. Yes, no, maybe?
Actually, Jimbo probably wishes like hell that he would have had the chance to weigh whether or not to play a second QB. The guy that was competing with the freshman (and actually projected to be the starter) broke his foot the second week of camp and won't be available again until mid-September.
Posted on 9/8/16 at 6:43 pm to Huddie Leadbetter
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What is the QB situation behind the guy that started?
Maguire started almost half of their games last year and is a senior. So, yea, a little different.
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Posted on 9/8/16 at 7:55 pm to PowHound
Where is the evidence that Jimbo is some sort of quarterback whisperer?
Would I like to have a starter settled right now? Yes. But I also want the right guy playing for the long haul. So I'll deal with splitting reps right now.
I also don't believe that leaving Hurts in to throw 10 more passes in a blowout does anything but expose him. It would be one thing if we were arguing over a half season worth of experience, but we're talking about 20 more game reps. And in a game that wasn't competitive? Insignificant. I value hiding our playbook more than getting 10 more throws in a game that is out of hand.
Would I like to have a starter settled right now? Yes. But I also want the right guy playing for the long haul. So I'll deal with splitting reps right now.
I also don't believe that leaving Hurts in to throw 10 more passes in a blowout does anything but expose him. It would be one thing if we were arguing over a half season worth of experience, but we're talking about 20 more game reps. And in a game that wasn't competitive? Insignificant. I value hiding our playbook more than getting 10 more throws in a game that is out of hand.
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Posted on 9/8/16 at 7:57 pm to asphinctersayswhat
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I am not worried one bit. Saban is gonna do what he is gonna do. He is gonna do what is best for those players, the team, and the UofA. Who am I to question a 5 time NC coach?
Perhaps a discussion forum isn't the best place for a fan who just sits back and says, "I have no opinion. I have no concerns. I have nothing to say. I just trust in Saban."
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Posted on 9/8/16 at 8:59 pm to PowHound
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Say what you want about Jimbo, but he can identify and develop QB's.
He sure can. However, as much as you want this thread to be about that, the rest of the folks are saying this - it's not Saban's job to develop QBs. His job is to win championships. That's it. He develops a team that puts Bama in a position to win a championship. Other teams may have better QBs, some may have better receivers, etc, but Saban's teams have been in positions to win championships nearly every year since his first. He has a plan, he has a system. You have a gripe about one position and two games. Forgive me if I'm not joining you in complaining about that.
Would you run things differently if you were a head coach? Probably. Is it possible that you'd have more success at developing a QB? I guess. Would you have the same level of team success as alabama has under saban? No. You know how I can say that with absolute certainty? Because NO ONE has, and that includes Jimbo Fisher. So, no, I'm not going to seriously compare Jimbo and Saban on their ability to to develop QBs because that's not the goal of coaching a college football team.
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