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re: Birmingham Mayor Threatens to Steer Athletes from UA and Auburn if Bill Passes

Posted on 2/23/24 at 2:56 pm to
Posted by JIB
Member since Sep 2013
1402 posts
Posted on 2/23/24 at 2:56 pm to
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It's basically a push to have qualified minorities and women to be included in organizations across the board


Sure it is. That's all it is!
Posted by imjustafatkid
Alabama
Member since Dec 2011
53964 posts
Posted on 2/23/24 at 3:05 pm to
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There will always be weak minded individuals with the Dr. King mentality of begging for the love of other demographics, sadly.


But here you are wanting to do the opposite of what Dr. King wanted and force people into situations they aren't actually qualified to handle.

You need to wake up. DEI, just like affirmative action, is doing more harm to black people than good. Getting hired or getting selected based solely on race results in situations like what is happening at Harvard with their administration. People who aren't qualified are in over their heads and crash and burn, in often very public and terrible ways. DEI is worse for your interests than you believe it is for mine.
This post was edited on 2/23/24 at 3:06 pm
Posted by MontyFranklyn
T-Town
Member since Jan 2012
24188 posts
Posted on 2/23/24 at 3:32 pm to
So what's to say that white hiring managers won't have inherent bias against minorities? It's not like we haven't seen that before. It actually is taking place now and we have a strong history of such. And white males get hired off race all the damn time
This post was edited on 2/23/24 at 3:33 pm
Posted by Bham4Tide
In a Van down by the River
Member since Feb 2011
22679 posts
Posted on 2/23/24 at 3:39 pm to
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Woodfin is far from the best mayor Bham has had.


I agree.

I hear this shite all the time (about him being the best) from people but there is ZERO proof. Loss of population, businesses leaving, and high crime equals the exact opposite of “best.”


Posted by scottydoesntknow
Member since Nov 2023
4226 posts
Posted on 2/23/24 at 3:41 pm to
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Exactly and encouraging our children to go to schools in states that aren't red politically is the next course of action


Go for it. That said, id bet a good number of black folks in Alabama would disagree with your assertions
Posted by scottydoesntknow
Member since Nov 2023
4226 posts
Posted on 2/23/24 at 3:44 pm to
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quote: Alabama will never stop having black athletes. You and Woodfin are both overstating his importance if you believe he has this sort of sway. There will always be weak minded individuals with the Dr. King mentality of begging for the love of other demographics, sadly.


I actually agree with you completely. If I believed me and my family werent getting a fair shake by the community, id move to a different one or start my own one.
Posted by MontyFranklyn
T-Town
Member since Jan 2012
24188 posts
Posted on 2/23/24 at 3:47 pm to
I bet if you took a poll of black professionals ages 25-45 on would they choose Alabama, which is going to openly discriminate against black people, over any out of state institution that will not, they'd choose out of state over 92% of the time
Posted by scottydoesntknow
Member since Nov 2023
4226 posts
Posted on 2/23/24 at 3:53 pm to
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I bet if you took a poll of black professionals ages 25-45 on would they choose Alabama, which is going to openly discriminate against black people, over any out of state institution that will not, they'd choose out of state over 92% of the time


Lets do the poll...but ask non biased questions. Do you think Alabama is a good place to live and make a living when compared to blue states?

Young black folks who have skills enough to make something of themselves dont care what race hustlers say
Posted by JoseyWalesTheOutlaw
In The Ham
Member since Nov 2017
11966 posts
Posted on 2/23/24 at 4:21 pm to
Let them F go. Maybe they can find a city or state with more Civil Rights Museums.
Posted by imjustafatkid
Alabama
Member since Dec 2011
53964 posts
Posted on 2/23/24 at 5:31 pm to
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So what's to say that white hiring managers won't have inherent bias against minorities?


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And white males get hired off race all the damn time


You won't be able to support this with any evidence whatsoever. I'd go so far as to say the opposite is happening currently. As someone who has been hiring people for over a decade, I can tell you that companies will literally beg a competent minority to work for them. Unfortunately, the supply is extremely low compared to the demand. Should go without saying when we're discussing the term "minority." There are simply way more jobs than there are minorities interested in those jobs.

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It's not like we haven't seen that before.


What has happened before is completely irrelevant to a discussion about what is happening now.
This post was edited on 2/23/24 at 5:43 pm
Posted by imjustafatkid
Alabama
Member since Dec 2011
53964 posts
Posted on 2/23/24 at 5:34 pm to
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Loss of population, businesses leaving, and high crime equals the exact opposite of “best.”



I worked with him at the Birmingham School Board, and he was the only competent school board member at the time. He started out really strong as the Mayor at first, but it's completely gone to crap recently. I think he's trying to make a play for higher office and he's appealing to the idiot vote.
This post was edited on 2/23/24 at 5:45 pm
Posted by MrMojoRisin
Udûn
Member since May 2014
7251 posts
Posted on 2/23/24 at 7:20 pm to
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As someone who has been hiring people for over a decade, I can tell you that companies will literally beg a competent minority to work for them. Unfortunately, the supply is extremely low compared to the demand. Should go without saying when we're discussing the term "minority." There are simply way more jobs than there are minorities interested in those jobs.


This is my experience. I’ve hired prol 25 -30 people over the past 15 years. It’s rare to get a qualified minority applicant which I think needs to be addressed far more than stupid DEI quotas. Start with education and skill building. I would love to have more minorities on staff as I absolutely believe a diverse staff (from multiple aspects) is a better staff. But it’s hard to find and some Groups in my organization have lost minority personnel to other companies that are paying up to meet DEI quotas. DEI quotas are actually doing more harm than good.

Ps. I do believe that unconscious bias is real (it’s human nature) and can creep into hiring/promotion decisions. And in some instances, it’s worse than subconscious and overtly evil. But forcing quotas will not solve it and continued divisive politics that separate rather than bring us together will make it worse.
This post was edited on 2/23/24 at 7:25 pm
Posted by crimson crazy
Member since Oct 2008
20626 posts
Posted on 2/23/24 at 7:20 pm to
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It's not racism to make someone that is hiring for a position take a look at all qualified candidates instead of the few that fit their racially preference.


Do you believe people should have to list their gender and race on the SAT exam?
Posted by crimson crazy
Member since Oct 2008
20626 posts
Posted on 2/23/24 at 7:24 pm to
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I bet if you took a poll of black professionals ages 25-45 on would they choose Alabama, which is going to openly discriminate against black people, over any out of state institution that will not, they'd choose out of state over 92% of the time


If all of those black professionals are as whiny and reeking of victim complex as you, then I would agree. Thankfully that is not the case.
Posted by Evolved Simian
Bushwood Country Club
Member since Sep 2010
21198 posts
Posted on 2/23/24 at 7:38 pm to
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It's not racism to make someone that is hiring for a position take a look at all qualified candidates instead of the few that fit their racially preference


This guy is literally too stupid to know what DEI is. He acts like the EEOC is being dismantled (which is what DEI does, btw. It is literally a violation of decades of civil rights law)

This post was edited on 2/23/24 at 7:56 pm
Posted by Evolved Simian
Bushwood Country Club
Member since Sep 2010
21198 posts
Posted on 2/23/24 at 7:39 pm to
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which is going to openly discriminate against black people


Jesus Christ. He's stupid and a liar.
Posted by RumHam
Huntsville
Member since Jun 2021
3909 posts
Posted on 2/23/24 at 8:17 pm to
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He's the best


Posted by imjustafatkid
Alabama
Member since Dec 2011
53964 posts
Posted on 2/23/24 at 8:17 pm to
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This is my experience. I’ve hired prol 25 -30 people over the past 15 years. It’s rare to get a qualified minority applicant which I think needs to be addressed far more than stupid DEI quotas. Start with education and skill building. I would love to have more minorities on staff as I absolutely believe a diverse staff (from multiple aspects) is a better staff. But it’s hard to find and some Groups in my organization have lost minority personnel to other companies that are paying up to meet DEI quotas. DEI quotas are actually doing more harm than good.


We have a pretty decently sized minority workforce, but they're all Latinos, Asians and a few Indians (from India). We have one black employee who does admin stuff, no professionals. It's beneficial to us to have employees from all walks of life because we work in a forward-facing business and it's helpful to have people who can relate to our customers.

We have multiple headhunting firms sending us candidates. We work remote and will hire you literally anywhere you are. We haven't stopped looking for people since the day I started and we will interview anyone qualified and have no idea what race or even sex the person may be until the interview unless it's obvious from his/her name. We've interviewed one black person, a female from Alabama. We offered her, but I think she got a huge counteroffer from her job so she stuck around. That is the extent of our black applicants. It really seems impossible to believe tbh, but it's the truth. I have no idea where these black professionals are supposed to be. We're actively looking for literally anyone qualified and hardly find them.
This post was edited on 2/23/24 at 8:21 pm
Posted by Evolved Simian
Bushwood Country Club
Member since Sep 2010
21198 posts
Posted on 2/23/24 at 8:18 pm to
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It's not racism to make someone that is hiring for a position take a look at all qualified candidates instead of the few that fit their racially preference.


Monty, I'd like to ask you this directly. Do you really not know that has nothing to do with DEI? Are you being intentionally obtuse?



Posted by RumHam
Huntsville
Member since Jun 2021
3909 posts
Posted on 2/23/24 at 8:19 pm to
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minority


I think I was the minority when I lived in south side. Does that mean percentage or race?
This post was edited on 2/23/24 at 8:21 pm
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