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All 12 Committee members have ties to Big10/Pac12/Ohio/N.Y.
Posted on 12/9/14 at 8:44 pm
Posted on 12/9/14 at 8:44 pm
I was in a debate with a friend about who should have been picked and he said Art Briles was a loon with all his crying, I said TCU should have got in but decided to do some research, man was I shocked at my results.
We all know the Big 10 and Pac 12 have had a longtime relationship via the Rose Bowl etc. etc. But they stacked the committee and it looks like they intended to take care of each other.
Pat Haden played at UCS and is the A.D. now.
Condi Rice, graduated from Notre Dame ( Midwest school ) and has been at Stanford since 1981 save her White House stint.
Tom Jenstedt, born in Oregon, played at Oregon.
Barry Alvarez, born in Pennsylvania, played at Nebraska, coached at Wisconsin.
Tom Osborne, born in Nebraska, coached Nebraska.
Tyrone Willingham, coached at Notre Dame ( Big Ten country ) coached at Washington, played at Mich. St.
Chairman Jeff Long, was once in the Michigan Administration, was born in Kettering Ohio, played for Ohio Wesleyan.
That is 7 with direct ties to the PAC/BIG.
Lt. General Michael Gould, born in Kent, Ohio, LOL.
Oliver Luck, West Virginia A.D., born in Cleveland Ohio. LOL
That is 9 with BIG/PAC or Ohio ties.
Dan Radakovich, Clemson A.D., born in Aliquippa Pennsylvania. BIG TEN COUNTRY.
Mike Tranghese, former Big East commissioner, New York guy, Rutgers is now considered New York's Big Ten connection. Also a side note, TCU did renege on going to the Big East and the Big East sued them for 5 million dollars. (The Big East ceased playing football) Hmmmmm
Steve Wieberg is a Missouri native, but worked at the USA Today newspaper for 30 years, in other words another guy with New York ties.
12 out of 12.
Does anyone believe that Delaney didn't have his hands all over this selection of people ? By making Long the so called " leader of the pack " he guided this man towards 12 people with Pac 12, Big 10, Ohio or Pennsylvania/New York ties.
There is no way TCU or Baylor ever had a shot, the Big/Pac/ Ohio/ Northeast coalition was never going to let any 11-1 team in ahead of a Big 10 team.
Here is why, ( my conspiracy proven truth imho ) Baylor was never moved ahead of TCU even though Baylor beat them head to head until the last Committee Vote, if that had happened the Committee had no reason to move Ohio St. ahead of Baylor if Baylor was at number 3 or 4, but when the season was done "they had to move TCU behind Baylor who beat them head to head" LMAO, so TCU moves behind Baylor, but Baylor was kept down below TCU in order to allow Ohio St. to catch up with Baylor and pass them, coming from 16th and zooming ahead of them in the last couple of weeks, HENCE BAYLOR was never moved ahead of TCU, because moving TCU behind Baylor was always an EASY OPTION on the last meeting day of the committee.
My goodness at the crockery.
There is no way in hell that 12 people with those ties can stay on this committee next year.
We all know the Big 10 and Pac 12 have had a longtime relationship via the Rose Bowl etc. etc. But they stacked the committee and it looks like they intended to take care of each other.
Pat Haden played at UCS and is the A.D. now.
Condi Rice, graduated from Notre Dame ( Midwest school ) and has been at Stanford since 1981 save her White House stint.
Tom Jenstedt, born in Oregon, played at Oregon.
Barry Alvarez, born in Pennsylvania, played at Nebraska, coached at Wisconsin.
Tom Osborne, born in Nebraska, coached Nebraska.
Tyrone Willingham, coached at Notre Dame ( Big Ten country ) coached at Washington, played at Mich. St.
Chairman Jeff Long, was once in the Michigan Administration, was born in Kettering Ohio, played for Ohio Wesleyan.
That is 7 with direct ties to the PAC/BIG.
Lt. General Michael Gould, born in Kent, Ohio, LOL.
Oliver Luck, West Virginia A.D., born in Cleveland Ohio. LOL
That is 9 with BIG/PAC or Ohio ties.
Dan Radakovich, Clemson A.D., born in Aliquippa Pennsylvania. BIG TEN COUNTRY.
Mike Tranghese, former Big East commissioner, New York guy, Rutgers is now considered New York's Big Ten connection. Also a side note, TCU did renege on going to the Big East and the Big East sued them for 5 million dollars. (The Big East ceased playing football) Hmmmmm
Steve Wieberg is a Missouri native, but worked at the USA Today newspaper for 30 years, in other words another guy with New York ties.
12 out of 12.
Does anyone believe that Delaney didn't have his hands all over this selection of people ? By making Long the so called " leader of the pack " he guided this man towards 12 people with Pac 12, Big 10, Ohio or Pennsylvania/New York ties.
There is no way TCU or Baylor ever had a shot, the Big/Pac/ Ohio/ Northeast coalition was never going to let any 11-1 team in ahead of a Big 10 team.
Here is why, ( my conspiracy proven truth imho ) Baylor was never moved ahead of TCU even though Baylor beat them head to head until the last Committee Vote, if that had happened the Committee had no reason to move Ohio St. ahead of Baylor if Baylor was at number 3 or 4, but when the season was done "they had to move TCU behind Baylor who beat them head to head" LMAO, so TCU moves behind Baylor, but Baylor was kept down below TCU in order to allow Ohio St. to catch up with Baylor and pass them, coming from 16th and zooming ahead of them in the last couple of weeks, HENCE BAYLOR was never moved ahead of TCU, because moving TCU behind Baylor was always an EASY OPTION on the last meeting day of the committee.
My goodness at the crockery.
There is no way in hell that 12 people with those ties can stay on this committee next year.
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Posted on 12/9/14 at 8:48 pm to S.E.C. Crazy
Damn near everybody in the country has ties to the West Coast, Midwest, or Northeast. 
Posted on 12/9/14 at 8:49 pm to S.E.C. Crazy
TCU and Baylor got left out because the Big 12 didn't name either of them Champion.
IF you aren't gonna have a championship game, come up with some way to pick 1 champion.
They thought they could sneak 2 in a weak ago when it looked like FSU or OSU might slip up in the championship.
IF you aren't gonna have a championship game, come up with some way to pick 1 champion.
They thought they could sneak 2 in a weak ago when it looked like FSU or OSU might slip up in the championship.
Posted on 12/9/14 at 8:50 pm to S.E.C. Crazy
Posted on 12/9/14 at 9:04 pm to SammyTiger
If you dummies don't know that having all 12 people with ties to the Big or Pac is bad for the SEC and Big 12 then you are stupid.
When the CBB committee was formed 30 or so years ago the SEC always got in plenty of teams, then they figured out a formula to get 7-9 Big Ten teams in and 10-12 Big East teams in every year.
You are the suckers if you don't understand that every member except Archie Manning had Big or Pac ties.
I can find you 6 committee members with no ties to the Pac or Big, Gene Stallings, Pat Dye, Dooley, Mack Brown, a Lt. General from anywhere besides Ohio !!!! Like maybe one from North Carolina or from Tennessee ? Philip Fulmer, Mr Football from Atlanta Tony Barnhart etc. etc.
No that hard is it.
When the CBB committee was formed 30 or so years ago the SEC always got in plenty of teams, then they figured out a formula to get 7-9 Big Ten teams in and 10-12 Big East teams in every year.
You are the suckers if you don't understand that every member except Archie Manning had Big or Pac ties.
I can find you 6 committee members with no ties to the Pac or Big, Gene Stallings, Pat Dye, Dooley, Mack Brown, a Lt. General from anywhere besides Ohio !!!! Like maybe one from North Carolina or from Tennessee ? Philip Fulmer, Mr Football from Atlanta Tony Barnhart etc. etc.
No that hard is it.
Posted on 12/9/14 at 9:07 pm to S.E.C. Crazy
College football is big business.
Big business always does what's in the best interest of that big business.
Ohio State killed two birds with one stone.
1. It is an infinitely bigger draw than either Baylor or TCU.
2. With a third-string QB it provides the perfect fodder for Alabama, which they want in the finals. Bama skull drags the Buckeyes and all remains on course.
There was no way in hell they were going to risk the "chosen one" having to face either of those offenses (Baylor or TCU).
It's just business, man. Nothing personal.
Big business always does what's in the best interest of that big business.
Ohio State killed two birds with one stone.
1. It is an infinitely bigger draw than either Baylor or TCU.
2. With a third-string QB it provides the perfect fodder for Alabama, which they want in the finals. Bama skull drags the Buckeyes and all remains on course.
There was no way in hell they were going to risk the "chosen one" having to face either of those offenses (Baylor or TCU).
It's just business, man. Nothing personal.
Posted on 12/9/14 at 9:10 pm to S.E.C. Crazy
Condi Rice was born in Alabama and lived in Birmingham until she was a teenager.
SEC! SEC! SEC!
SEC! SEC! SEC!
Posted on 12/9/14 at 9:12 pm to TX Tiger
It's funny because you believe that. I bet you run through some tin foil
Posted on 12/9/14 at 9:16 pm to Riseupfromtherubble
quote:Business is business. It has nothing to do with what I believe.
It's funny because you believe that.
quote:I will run through some winning tickets on Jan. 2.... This is legalized stealing.
I bet you run through some tin foil
Posted on 12/9/14 at 9:16 pm to S.E.C. Crazy
Why does NY ties mean you are a Big 10 fan?
Also Archie is on the committee but pulled out this year because he was getting Knee surgery.
Also Archie is on the committee but pulled out this year because he was getting Knee surgery.
Posted on 12/9/14 at 9:19 pm to S.E.C. Crazy
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S.E.C. Crazy
Do you have a problem with the four teams selected? I cannot see where TCU or Baylor are as deserving as the four who were.
Posted on 12/9/14 at 9:21 pm to S.E.C. Crazy
This is why we needed keep polls and computers. Somebody will end up being "screwed" no matter what, at least we would have expected it.
Or keep committee and make it add to BCS calculation or let them replace one of he polls. This one group will cause extreme melts every single year though unless we magical only have 4 1-loss or less teams
Or keep committee and make it add to BCS calculation or let them replace one of he polls. This one group will cause extreme melts every single year though unless we magical only have 4 1-loss or less teams
Posted on 12/9/14 at 9:33 pm to ljhog
quote:You're kidding, right? Baylor AND TCU both were more deserving. It's a joke that Ohio State was ranked higher than No. 6.
I cannot see where TCU or Baylor are as deserving as the four who were.
But I find humor in their desperate attempt to appear legit.
All I heard all year long was how FSU didn't play anybody and they were lucky to be No. 4 because all they did was just skim by inferior competition.
So what happens in the final poll?....
They SLAUGHTER Ga Tech, 37-35, proving everyone right.....
And they MOVE UP to No. 3.
How convenient that they exited No. 4, leaving it for a crippled Ohio State team that OMG beat a Wisconsin team....that LSU BEAT...with Welter at MLB!!!
Meanwhile, TCU wins 55-3....and DROPS THREE SPOTS! :rotflmao: :rotflmao: :rotflmao:
It's a joke. These clowns painted themselves into a corner and had no reasonable explanation for the final product.
Worst con job I've seen since Obama I and II.
Posted on 12/9/14 at 9:34 pm to CheeseburgerEddie
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This is why we needed keep polls and computers. Somebody will end up being "screwed" no matter what, at least we would have expected it.
I never understood the purpose of the committee. It seems like an unnecessary and uncontrollable element in the whole system. If any potential formula or polling system "screws" a school over it can be adjusted in a controllable and verifiable way for the next year to make sure it doesn't happen again.
That can't happen with a committee.
People can change from week to week, hour to hour, etc., the membership of the committee can change over time. Political pressure can come in to account.
There's just so many variables and so many assumptions made about the whole committee process that it seems like the only reason you'd have a committee versus a polling system or formula of polls/personal opinion is to add the potential of political pressure to the process.
BCS system plus a committee element that is included in the BCS formula was probably the best route to take, but that time has passed.
This post was edited on 12/9/14 at 9:35 pm
Posted on 12/9/14 at 9:36 pm to TX Tiger
Not to mention that the Big 12 is a much tougher conference. Not to mention both TCU and Baylor had better losses. If it had been UTx and OU, tOSU is left out. No CCG is just a cop out.
Posted on 12/9/14 at 9:40 pm to Mizzeaux
quote:You answered your own question.
I never understood the purpose of the committee....
uncontrollable element in the whole system.
Posted on 12/9/14 at 9:57 pm to Mizzeaux
Condi Rice has been a professor at Stanford since 1981.
The point is that all 12 have ties to the PAC/BIG or Ohio/Penn./N.Y. areas.
If you are having a vote on a last team and say that team is Miss. St. vs. Nebraska, Wisconsin or USC then there is going to be a first vote (rift) but then on the second vote the OHIO guys and N.Y. guys are going to fall in with the other 6 or 7 Pac/ Big guys.
It is very obvious when every member has ties to the Big or Pac, hell just take the Penn. born Clemson AD off and the two N.Y. guys off and you have 7 people who have worked or played ball at a Pac or Big school, then two more that was born in Ohio, the Lt. General and Mr. Luck. That's 9 people with direct ties to PAC/BIG schools or that was born in Ohio. / Midwest.
Where are the southern born people on the committee ?
The point is that all 12 have ties to the PAC/BIG or Ohio/Penn./N.Y. areas.
If you are having a vote on a last team and say that team is Miss. St. vs. Nebraska, Wisconsin or USC then there is going to be a first vote (rift) but then on the second vote the OHIO guys and N.Y. guys are going to fall in with the other 6 or 7 Pac/ Big guys.
It is very obvious when every member has ties to the Big or Pac, hell just take the Penn. born Clemson AD off and the two N.Y. guys off and you have 7 people who have worked or played ball at a Pac or Big school, then two more that was born in Ohio, the Lt. General and Mr. Luck. That's 9 people with direct ties to PAC/BIG schools or that was born in Ohio. / Midwest.
Where are the southern born people on the committee ?
This post was edited on 12/9/14 at 10:01 pm
Posted on 12/9/14 at 10:11 pm to SammyTiger
Why does NY ties mean you are a Big 10 fan?
Also Archie is on the committee but pulled out this year because he was getting Knee surgery.
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Rutgers is in the New York market now, whom do you think two pencil heads from New York are more likely to back if it's a close call ? Teams from Miss./Texas or teams from Mich./Ohio/ Wisconsin ?
Delaney and the Pac commissioner stacked the deck to favor them.
Jeff Long, Ohio native, come on down you ethical puritanical stalwart, we gonna roll your dumb azz.
Come own down Mr. Lt. Gen. from Ohio
Come on down Mr. Luck, from Cleveland.
Come on down Ty Willingham that cant coach a lick, but played for Mich. St.
Delaney, guiding Long all the while.
Clemson AD, where is he from Pat Haden ? Ahh he's originally from Pennsylvania Mr. Delaney, WELL THEN COME ON DOWN BUDDY.
Add two N.Y guys and you have 12 for 12
Delaney been doin work.
Also Archie is on the committee but pulled out this year because he was getting Knee surgery.
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Rutgers is in the New York market now, whom do you think two pencil heads from New York are more likely to back if it's a close call ? Teams from Miss./Texas or teams from Mich./Ohio/ Wisconsin ?
Delaney and the Pac commissioner stacked the deck to favor them.
Jeff Long, Ohio native, come on down you ethical puritanical stalwart, we gonna roll your dumb azz.
Come own down Mr. Lt. Gen. from Ohio
Come on down Mr. Luck, from Cleveland.
Come on down Ty Willingham that cant coach a lick, but played for Mich. St.
Delaney, guiding Long all the while. Clemson AD, where is he from Pat Haden ? Ahh he's originally from Pennsylvania Mr. Delaney, WELL THEN COME ON DOWN BUDDY.
Add two N.Y guys and you have 12 for 12
Delaney been doin work.Posted on 12/9/14 at 10:14 pm to S.E.C. Crazy
Big 12 got screwed! Yes, they probably should have declared Baylor the champ due to head to head, but body of work could also defend TCU being ahead. after all, their only loss was close and to a team in the mix of playoff discussion.
TCU aand Baylor would both cream Ohio.
TCU aand Baylor would both cream Ohio.
Posted on 12/9/14 at 10:20 pm to S.E.C. Crazy
TCU and Baylor lost out because they play 9 conference games...which they want to promote as a positive. The reality is that it's a negative. By playing every team in the conference, they are guaranteed playing all three of the worst teams in the conference, which includes two of the absolute shittiest teams in all the big 5. As good as TCU, Oklahoma, and Kansas State may be, Texas Tech, Kansas, and Iowa State are even farther to the opposite extreme. And because they play nine conference games, leaving them only 3 non-conference games, it becomes more important to play a good OOC schedule. And Baylor's was shite. Putrid, steaming, shite.
Ohio State, on the other hand, played only two conference games against losing records. And there's no comparison between their OOC schedule and Baylor's. An so while OSU played 9 bowl eligible teams, Baylor only played 6. OSU played 6 teams with above .500 records...even before the Wisconsin game, which made 7; Baylor played 4.
TCU's schedule was only slightly better, with an OOC game against Minnesota. But they also played the same shitty SMU that Baylor played. And like Baylor, they also played an FCS team (Samford).
When you get 3 automatic wins against the shittiest teams in your conference...every year...you don't need to be playing SMU and FCS teams. And things won't change for the Big 12 until they get two more teams. Not just because of the need for the championship game, but also to be able to rotate some better conference opponents on the schedule so they don't have all three of the shitty teams every year. If Nebraska, aTm, and Missouri were still there, TCU and Baylor likely would have had at least one game with those and one less from Texas Tech, Kansas, and Iowa State.
Ohio State, on the other hand, played only two conference games against losing records. And there's no comparison between their OOC schedule and Baylor's. An so while OSU played 9 bowl eligible teams, Baylor only played 6. OSU played 6 teams with above .500 records...even before the Wisconsin game, which made 7; Baylor played 4.
TCU's schedule was only slightly better, with an OOC game against Minnesota. But they also played the same shitty SMU that Baylor played. And like Baylor, they also played an FCS team (Samford).
When you get 3 automatic wins against the shittiest teams in your conference...every year...you don't need to be playing SMU and FCS teams. And things won't change for the Big 12 until they get two more teams. Not just because of the need for the championship game, but also to be able to rotate some better conference opponents on the schedule so they don't have all three of the shitty teams every year. If Nebraska, aTm, and Missouri were still there, TCU and Baylor likely would have had at least one game with those and one less from Texas Tech, Kansas, and Iowa State.
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