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re: Would Nick Saban have less, equal, or more success at UGA
Posted on 12/1/14 at 2:30 pm to Spaceman Spiff
Posted on 12/1/14 at 2:30 pm to Spaceman Spiff
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Spaceman Spiff Would Nick Saban have less, equal, or more success at UGA This has to be one of the worst threads lately.
Why? What do you think I am conveying?
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Posted on 12/1/14 at 2:36 pm to Peter Buck
How to troll your own forum?
Posted on 12/1/14 at 3:18 pm to Peter Buck
You admin issues aside, I firmly believe that Saban would have had significantly more success at UGA than Richt has.
1. Saban's work ethic is unreal and he would spent more time than Richt in almost every aspect of coaching. To be honest I like Richt's laid back style and composure but Saban has the intensity of a winner.
2. Saban would recruit better than Richt because he has a reputation as a winner. Saban has won 4 NC's in his past 8 years of coaching in the college ranks. Players want to play for a championship program.
3. Saban's daily/ongoing discipline seems to be better than Richt's. Richt is good at kicking players off the team for discipline related incidents which I agree with but where is the daily discipline/mentoring that heads off potential problems before they lead to full blown incidents? Yea, maybe Alabama is better at covering up this kind of stuff or maybe they are just better at nipping problems in the bud before they cause a player to be kicked off the team.
1. Saban's work ethic is unreal and he would spent more time than Richt in almost every aspect of coaching. To be honest I like Richt's laid back style and composure but Saban has the intensity of a winner.
2. Saban would recruit better than Richt because he has a reputation as a winner. Saban has won 4 NC's in his past 8 years of coaching in the college ranks. Players want to play for a championship program.
3. Saban's daily/ongoing discipline seems to be better than Richt's. Richt is good at kicking players off the team for discipline related incidents which I agree with but where is the daily discipline/mentoring that heads off potential problems before they lead to full blown incidents? Yea, maybe Alabama is better at covering up this kind of stuff or maybe they are just better at nipping problems in the bud before they cause a player to be kicked off the team.
Posted on 12/1/14 at 3:19 pm to UGAalum08
This thread, if people take the time to understand it, immasculates all the fire Richt troll threads. This is the thread we can all find common ground and build on... It just takes more thought than emotion... Which may be hard for some...
Posted on 12/1/14 at 3:22 pm to Peter Buck
So the point you're trying to make is that Saban is a better coach than Richt? What exactly is there to discuss? I'm pretty sure most, if not all, would agree with you. I don't see the purpose in discussing it.
Should we put one of these up for Les Miles also?
Should we put one of these up for Les Miles also?
This post was edited on 12/1/14 at 3:24 pm
Posted on 12/1/14 at 6:25 pm to Peter Buck
More but not by much...he also wouldn't have the ability to
throw out unlimited offers and use the gray shirt/medical
redshirt policy that's in place at Bama.
Pretty simple formula at Bama.Recruit the best players,
keep said players in school,run off players who don't
pan out.
EVERYTHING else is secondary by a long shot.Including
X's and O's
throw out unlimited offers and use the gray shirt/medical
redshirt policy that's in place at Bama.
Pretty simple formula at Bama.Recruit the best players,
keep said players in school,run off players who don't
pan out.
EVERYTHING else is secondary by a long shot.Including
X's and O's
Posted on 12/1/14 at 10:33 pm to RD Dawg
So, it seems everyone agrees that a top coach would have more opportunity to succeed at a school like Alabama than UGA.
What does that say about UGA?
What does that say about UGAs ability to attract a coach of that caliber?
What does that say about UGA?
What does that say about UGAs ability to attract a coach of that caliber?
Posted on 12/2/14 at 7:11 am to Peter Buck
I think he'd have done the same here as he has at Alabama. I was going to agree with others here about how he'd probably be better than Richt but not as good as he has been in Tuscaloosa because of Georgia's lack of commitment but the SEC East's downturn the past few years, IMO, almost if not completely negates it.
I just know we'd all be happier and not cling to the whole "at least we win with morality" garbage.
I just know we'd all be happier and not cling to the whole "at least we win with morality" garbage.
Posted on 12/2/14 at 7:12 am to Peter Buck
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So, it seems everyone agrees that a top coach would have more opportunity to succeed at a school like Alabama than UGA.
What does that say about UGA?
What does that say about UGAs ability to attract a coach of that caliber?
It says Jim Harbaugh to Georgia is confirmed
Posted on 12/2/14 at 8:36 am to Damn Good Dawg
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Would Nick Saban have less, equal, or more success at UGA
I think he'd have done the same here as he has at Alabama. I was going to agree with others here about how he'd probably be better than Richt but not as good as he has been in Tuscaloosa because of Georgia's lack of commitment but the SEC East's downturn the past few years, IMO, almost if not completely negates it.
I just know we'd all be happier and not cling to the whole "at least we win with morality" garbage.
Do you honestly think he would have done the same with a smaller recruiting budget, smaller overall coaching compensation well, and a drug testing and discipline regimine that is administered by AD with no bend rules and punishments that over rule the discretion of the head coach?
Posted on 12/2/14 at 7:09 pm to Crowknowsbest
More, better recruiting and more leniency with player issues
Posted on 12/2/14 at 7:12 pm to Buddy2012
Do you think the player discipline is fully run and imposed by Richt?
Posted on 12/2/14 at 7:19 pm to Peter Buck
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Do you think the player discipline is fully run and imposed by Richt?
Richt is the HC so the buck stops on his desk
Posted on 12/2/14 at 7:36 pm to Buddy2012
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Richt is the HC so the buck stops on his desk
No, it goes up to Richt's boss, the athletic director.
Posted on 12/2/14 at 8:12 pm to Buddy2012
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Richt is the HC so the buck stops on his desk
Our frequent and random drug tests are administered by the AD. The coach is notified by an Assistant AD if there is a positive test. The first, second, and third strike penalties are laid out in black and white and are not negotiable. DUI is worth 20% of the season to be missed.
It is well known our policies and testing are much more aggressive than most of our peers.
Knowing this, would a high performing coach want to put himself under those limitations? For less money?
Posted on 12/2/14 at 8:23 pm to Peter Buck
Do we know if CMR has pushed back against these policies...or even pushed to have them implemented?
Do we know if it's CMR or the AD that limits the grad assistants and/or other additional "staff"?
Who is the one who champions our not oversigning...processing...etc.?
Not saying you're wrong but why do we assume this comes from the AD down and CMR is helpless to affect this environment. If he's so beloved his opinions should carry some influence.
Do we know if it's CMR or the AD that limits the grad assistants and/or other additional "staff"?
Who is the one who champions our not oversigning...processing...etc.?
Not saying you're wrong but why do we assume this comes from the AD down and CMR is helpless to affect this environment. If he's so beloved his opinions should carry some influence.
This post was edited on 12/2/14 at 8:25 pm
Posted on 12/2/14 at 8:28 pm to SquatchDawg
It's for all sports
Posted on 12/2/14 at 8:54 pm to Peter Buck
Good point.
If you were CMR in that type of high profile position driving that revenue, wouldn't you think you could have some influence?
Of course, having a guy as HC who wouldn't push back is valuable to the AD if as you say they're reaponsible for the paradigm that is UGA Athletics. If Richt is the "go along to get along" type I could see it ...but damn...he sure puts up with a load of shite for covering up the admin's lack of commitment.
I still have to put it at CMR's feet For not at some point marching in to the AD's office and pressing the issue. Working in an environment where you know what you need but can't get it will suck the life out of you. Having to rely on your subordinates to raise hell about issues is not very inspiring.
If you were CMR in that type of high profile position driving that revenue, wouldn't you think you could have some influence?
Of course, having a guy as HC who wouldn't push back is valuable to the AD if as you say they're reaponsible for the paradigm that is UGA Athletics. If Richt is the "go along to get along" type I could see it ...but damn...he sure puts up with a load of shite for covering up the admin's lack of commitment.
I still have to put it at CMR's feet For not at some point marching in to the AD's office and pressing the issue. Working in an environment where you know what you need but can't get it will suck the life out of you. Having to rely on your subordinates to raise hell about issues is not very inspiring.
Posted on 12/2/14 at 8:59 pm to SquatchDawg
All good points, but I am not making excuses for Richt... In fact I blame him for not handling it better... But, we can not assume a new guy is gonna come in and dictate the rules or want to come in and set the tone of his tenure by telling the UGAaa that he needs $10 m more in expendatures and a laced drug and discipline policy.
Posted on 12/2/14 at 9:18 pm to Peter Buck
Agreed....if anything a new guy would be more beholden to the admin and need to build a record before he starts pressing. Also it would definitely limit our options as I would assume the coaching world has an idea of what the deal is..people talk and it's a pretty exclusive community.
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