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re: What Georgia player is this?

Posted on 5/2/14 at 4:32 pm to
Posted by FooManChoo
Member since Dec 2012
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Posted on 5/2/14 at 4:32 pm to
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They are not employees, just treated like they are employees. And they bring in a lot of money. Any intern that was directly responsible for that much revenue would be compensated significantly more or wouldnt be an intern very long....
Super Stars aside, one would argue that the team (coaches included) brings in the money. Sorry but when I go to games, I don't go to see Aaron Murray, AJ Green, or Todd Gurley. I go to watch the team play and (hopefully) win. If I had tickets to a game and saw that Gurley would be sidelined due to injury, I would still go to the game.

With that said, you're right in that they are not employees. That's the point that people like me are trying to get across to people like you. The rules are not the same, and neither are the expectations. Even though they aren't employees, they are still compensated for their work and performance.

But the key issue for you seems to be "fairness" of players not getting a cut of the profits that they help to bring in each year. Going back to my initial response, most athletic departments actually lose money, because they have to support a ton of different sports (for men and women) that don't bring any money, and they have to rely on football and basketball (primarily) to fill their coffers enough to pay for everything else. Most most schools, the proceeds from football and basketball don't cover the tab for the rest of the sports.

So why should players get paid, again? Is it because they work hard? Well so do the athletes in non-major sports programs. Should those athletes get paid, too? Or, is it not just the work, but the money they bring in? Well, what if the program doesn't actually make a profit? Should the players get hosed? And when the program does make a profit, who should get the cut? Yeah, the football team brings in the most money, but the other programs bring in some money, so should all programs (and the athletes) be excluded except for the cash cow football team, or should all contributors get a cut? Should the players get paid based on revenue or profit? If revenue, then I'd imagine most programs would be bankrupted. If based on profit, I'd imagine most athletes won't actually get paid.

The issue as I see it is that if this was an employer/employee relationship, the employer has no obligation to give the employees money based on the success of the "company". They set the compensation rates and the employees agree to them or go somewhere else (or do something else with their lives). But this isn't a company. These aren't employees. The profits that the few universities actually make are re-invested back into the universities.

If the players feel "exploited", they can quit and do something else (wind up on the streets, for a lot of them). They can forfeit their free education, their meal plans, their housing, their training, their networking opportunities, and all the other perks that come with being a student athlete (including popularity and sex with coeds) and try to hone their skills on their own for a few years and then try to impress NFL scouts on their own.
Posted by DawgsLife
Member since Jun 2013
58905 posts
Posted on 5/2/14 at 5:21 pm to
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ust pay them something and this kinda bs goes away, simple. Next issue will be them buying whores.


No. It doesn't. Manziel sold autographs. Do you think it was from a lack of money? People steal because they want to thrill of trying to get away with something. (Or at least most do) And if you pay the athletes, some other school will pay them more under the table, and you will have the same corruption. Greedy people are greedy. They will always want more. Pay them $10,000 a year and they will scream they want $100,000. pay them $100,000 and they would want $1,000,000. After all...the schools are making a killing off them, right?


Posted by DawgsLife
Member since Jun 2013
58905 posts
Posted on 5/2/14 at 5:27 pm to
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..how much does a four year education cost at the University of Georgia?


Less than the revenue they generate for the Athletic department that pays for it... considerably


True. And the company you work for makes a lot more money off your work than they pay you for, too. If they didn't, they would go out of business. That is life.

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A lot of these kids are broke and do not have spending money of much consequence. Much less than the average student I would dare say. When you are broke and young and you see all the money being spent on football at UGA and other schools. It is easy to feel the way these guys do....Feel free to judge this situation from the perspective of a 40 year old white guy if you want....



And when they don't make it in the NFL, and they see big businesses making money, what will they do? Put their hand out and ask for more money?
Did they not understand what they would and would not get when they signed the scholarship? If they wanted money immediately they should have gone and gotten a job. Do you know how much overtime I had to work so I could pay for my daughter's education at UGA? She was in the Honor's program...but I had to pay for her room, board and spending money. Imagine...somebody having to work for what they get. The nerve.
Worse yet...the company I worked all that overtime for STILL made a lot of money off my work. I don't know where these companies get off thinking they should make a profit off my work!
Posted by DawgsLife
Member since Jun 2013
58905 posts
Posted on 5/2/14 at 5:31 pm to
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It is also odd that you worship them, yet at the same time feel morally, intellectually, and socially superior.


Worship them? no. Intellectually superior? Well, I haven't tried to rape a girl or steal crab legs from a grocery store....so, yes. Probably.

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maybe, if you didnt give a frick about them, then this whole charade would end.


Good point...and you are probably right.

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Until then... you dont eat all the food on your plate while some poor bastard digs through a dumpster praying to baby jesus to find something half as shitty as what you just put in the trash...


But that guy digging through the dumpster is not a college football player on scholarship.


Posted by DawgsLife
Member since Jun 2013
58905 posts
Posted on 5/2/14 at 5:34 pm to
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Since when do all "employees" deserve to be compensated based on how much profit the "business" brings in?

If you want to compare it to a employer/employee relationship, an agreement of compensation was already agreed upon before the employees even made it to the campus. They agree to be compensated with a free education, housing, food, and other perks on top of an internship for a profession in the NFL.

These terms were not agreed upon based on profits earned. Since most athletic programs don't turn a profit, it would be silly to make that part of the deal.




Crap! You beat me to it! Sorry rascal!

You can now disregard my previous two posts above!
Posted by DawgsLife
Member since Jun 2013
58905 posts
Posted on 5/2/14 at 5:36 pm to
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There is no relative course of action for cfb players.




Can't they transfer to another school? Or walk away and go get a job?
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