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re: So Tony Stewart ran over and killed another driver at a race last night
Posted on 8/10/14 at 1:36 pm to BeefDawg
Posted on 8/10/14 at 1:36 pm to BeefDawg
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You obviously have no clue how car drifting works.
You're being ignorant to how these cars and drifting works.
And you're obviously very impressed with yourself over your supposed car drifting "knowlege"...........
Meanwhile, there's a video of a car clearly turning left to avoid the kid without accelerating and without any of the bullshite you are saying would happen actually happening.
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Posted on 8/10/14 at 1:42 pm to Jefferson Dawg
You can't see the entire right side of the track. Those other cars passing the kid looked to me like they were already at a much lower position in the turn. He also ran down another 5 or so feet to get directly in Tony's path.
Don't act like you're not making pure assumptions anymore than anyone else. You are trying your best to sound like you are stating fact, but it's not.
Don't act like you're not making pure assumptions anymore than anyone else. You are trying your best to sound like you are stating fact, but it's not.
This post was edited on 8/10/14 at 1:43 pm
Posted on 8/10/14 at 1:44 pm to deeprig9
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If this were rednecks in a walmart parking lot at 2am and the video was from store surveillance, would or would not Tony be in a jail cell right now?
Exactly: These are certified professional drivers on a sanctioned track involved in a race governed by rules and protocol.
Rule Alpha: You never, ever, ever, never get out of your fricking vehicle during a race, on the track, after a wreck, unless you are on fire.... The kid broke a cardinal rule and ignored the warnings given in the pre race safety meeting. Races are thunderdome even the stands, look at the back of your ticket next time don't question me.
Street racers would be facing manslaughter charges right now IMO.
Sad day for the family of the deceased "RIP." I'm sure he had a lot of good points about him and it's a shame this 30 seconds of madness will be his defining legacy.
People will have their opinions on emotional issues and no amount of logic and reasoning will sway those, so I'm just going to leave this thread alone from this point forward.
Good Day<
Posted on 8/10/14 at 1:50 pm to BeefDawg
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You are trying your best to sound like you are stating fact
Give me a break..........
You're the one trying to apply drift-racing to cars under a damn caution flag. Which you also say came out "2 seconds" before the kid was hit...............despite video ecidence to the contrary on every single one of your points.
I'll take the work of Kasey Khane on this who actually races these things and owns a team. He says that he can not fathom any logical explanation on how something like this could have happened under those conditions.
This post was edited on 8/10/14 at 1:52 pm
Posted on 8/10/14 at 1:53 pm to Jefferson Dawg
Khane would certainly be considered an expert. Dudes been racing those cars on dirt forever.
Posted on 8/10/14 at 3:06 pm to Jefferson Dawg
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I don't think anyone anywhere has implied that he ran over him intentionally.
But, if you want to see what it looks like when a car goes out of their way to get away from the kid on the track.....watch the car in front of Stewart's and look at what it does. It swerves out of the way. Easily.
Having watched Tony Stewart for years and seeing his temper.........it's not a stretch by any means to wonder if he might have intentionally put the car close to the kid or tried to spin some dirt on him or whatever.....to send a message.
Also, look at the video and notice how quickly the ambulances got there. They were already on the way, so Stewart would have had to pass them on the inside and then go back up towards top of track. As for lighting. If it's too dark to see a dude in middle of track..........then how the hell are they able to see while they're racing side-by-side all night inches from each other.
Jefferson you have no fricking clue what you are talking about in here. You've no comprehension of how these cars operate and are basing your opinion off of a bunch of idiot that either also don't understand how these cars control or are simply lying (like the friend in the stands, Tyler).
When you press the gas in these cars, the rear end does not kick out sideways. It only does that if you turn the wheel and IT DID NOT KICK OUT IN THE VIDEO AT ALL BEFORE CONTACT.
The only reason he slowed down was to say something or listen to something Ward had to say, but Ward clearly came up to start a fight, not talk, so Tony gunned it to leave. The stupid kid should not have walked under the tire, it is all his fault.
Posted on 8/10/14 at 3:29 pm to Nicolae
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Jefferson you have no fricking clue what you are talking about in here.
I stand by every word I've written. All I've done is point out what my two eyes see on the video.
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When you press the gas in these cars, the rear end does not kick out sideways. It only does that if you turn the wheel and IT DID NOT KICK OUT IN THE VIDEO AT ALL BEFORE CONTACT.
What are you talking about, dipshit? I never said it did. In fact, I pointed out that it did NOT on Page 2, i believe.
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The only reason he slowed down was to say something or listen to something Ward had to say, but Ward clearly came up to start a fight, not talk, so Tony gunned it to leave.
Case Closed then, i guess. You are obviously a mind-reader with other magical powers that allow you to see footage that's not in the video.
Meanwhile, though......there's a video of Tony Stewart gunning his car as he approaches this kid on the racetrack. And there needs to be an explanation for why he did that.
If I'm driving down the road and some drunk stumbles out into my lane trying to get my attention............and the car directly in front of me swerves to miss him..........my first instinct sure as shite isn't to hold my lane to stay as close to him as possible while stepping on the gas.
Kid shouldn't have gotten out of his car........but why did Stewart not turn towards inside of track like the car before him....and more imoportantly, why did he gun it?? There needs to be an answer for that. Although, we'll probably never get it.
Posted on 8/10/14 at 3:35 pm to djrichiep
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Those sprint cars are designed to kick the rear end to the driver's right when accelerated, it makes for better cornering. I am pretty sure the left and right side tires are also staggered in size to enhance that effect.
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Sprint cars definitely hook the rear end to the right when accelerated. That is by design. The tires are even staggered to create that handling effect. Check this article: LINK
fricking Christ. NO THEY ARE/DO NOT.
The tire stagger is not done to make the car kick out, it is done so that it can go around a turn at all. Sprint Cars do not have a differential and the rear tires spin at the same speed. They slide sideways because you turn the goddamn wheel. Goosing it the way he did will not kick it out and, lo and behold, it didn't if you just watch the video. It only kicks out after contact because there was fricking retarded jackass under his tire.
Honestly, we cannot even be sure he actually gunned the gas, the camera is on the other side of the stadium and so is the microphone that is attached. Chances are the engine you hear is another car closer to the camera. Stewart's car never really accelerates.
In summation, Ward should have stayed in his car and not jumped under Tony's tires. This is Ward's fault.
Posted on 8/10/14 at 3:38 pm to Jefferson Dawg
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What are you talking about, dipshit? I never said it did. In fact, I pointed out that it did NOT on Page 2, i believe.
I missed that. Most of your posts I've read in here seemed to imply that this is Tony's fault and he should have not ran over someone that literally jumped under his tires. Apologies if that is incorrect.
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Case Closed then, i guess. You are obviously a mind-reader with other magical powers that allow you to see footage that's not in the video.
Well, I am a mind reader, but here I was tossing in some hyperbole like everyone else has been. I do believe Ward was trying to get him to stop so he could start a fist fight and Tony was having none of that, at least until post-race, so he wasn't about to stop.
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Meanwhile, though......there's a video of Tony Stewart gunning his car as he approaches this kid on the racetrack. And there needs to be an explanation for why he did that. If I'm driving down the road and some drunk stumbles out into my lane trying to get my attention............and the car directly in front of me swerves to miss him..........my first instinct sure as shite isn't to hold my lane to stay as close to him as possible while stepping on the gas. Kid shouldn't have gotten out of his car........but why did Stewart not turn towards inside of track like the car before him....and more imoportantly, why did he gun it?? There needs to be an answer for that. Although, we'll probably never get it.
I addressed some of this in my last post. I'm not entirely sure the engine you hear being gunned is Tony's car and his speed never really seems to change much. I'm not sure he gunned the gas at all.
This post was edited on 8/10/14 at 3:42 pm
Posted on 8/10/14 at 3:41 pm to Nicolae
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Nicolae
TBH, you claiming that it's totally Ward's fault seems just as ignorant as the people claiming definitively that it's Stewart's fault. In all likelihood, the truth is somewhere in the middle.
That video doesn't show anything definitively as to Stewart's intent, so more information is needed before making an informed judgement one way or the other.
Posted on 8/10/14 at 3:44 pm to Nicolae
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Goosing it the way he did will not kick it out...
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Stewart's car never really accelerates.
Well, which one is it dip shite?
He gunned it when you want to give one opinion, but he didn't gun it when you want to give another?Gotcha.
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It only kicks out after contact because there was fricking retarded jackass under his tire.
Classy.
Can see now why you're such a devout Tony Stewart fan.
Posted on 8/10/14 at 3:44 pm to Crowknowsbest
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TBH, you claiming that it's totally Ward's fault seems just as ignorant as the people claiming definitively that it's Stewart's fault. In all likelihood, the truth is somewhere in the middle.
That video doesn't show anything definitively as to Stewart's intent, so more information is needed before making an informed judgement one way or the other.
To clarify, legally this is all Ward's fault. Both were being hotheads and shoulder some of the "spirtual"(?) blame, I'm honestly not sure how to term that, but I think you know what I mean. This should weigh on Tony's soul, so to speak, but I don't think it was intentional and I see no way he should be held legally responsible.
What would have been a great move would be to have raced today, won, and then donated the purse to Ward's family. Any winnings at all, whether winning or losing, really.
Posted on 8/10/14 at 3:50 pm to Crowknowsbest
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TBH, you claiming that it's totally Ward's fault seems just as ignorant as the people claiming definitively that it's Stewart's fault. In all likelihood, the truth is somewhere in the middle. That video doesn't show anything definitively as to Stewart's intent, so more information is needed before making an informed judgement one way or the other.
I haven't seen one person here or anywhere say it was all Stewart's fault.
The video shows one car swerve and miss the kid.....and it shows Stewart not swerve, but instead actually Accelerate.
This raises questions
Posted on 8/10/14 at 3:51 pm to Jefferson Dawg
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Well, which one is it dip shite?
He gunned it when you want to give one opinion, but he didn't gun it when you want to give another?Gotcha.
You can goose the gas and not accelerate, asshat. Upon further review though, I do not believe he actually gunned the gas.
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Classy.
Can see now why you're such a devout Tony Stewart fan.
No, I'm a racing fan and this kid is an a-hole. He got out doing some stupid cowboy bullshite, breaking every rule in the book and being completely unsafe about it. Putting himself in a position for something like this to happen when the racing world has been working VERY hard to increase safety for some time now. Now he does this like a stupid arse redneck and in the process is making EVERYONE involved with racing look bad when it is really just his own self-involved, childish antics that are the reason for this tragedy.
Posted on 8/10/14 at 3:52 pm to Nicolae
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To clarify, legally this is all Ward's fault.
That really depends on Stewart's intent, which we have no way of knowing.
I do think that it would be hard to win a major manslaughter (or similar) case given the circumstances with Ward getting out of the car during a race. On the other hand, I think Stewart will ultimately be forced to settle a large civil case with the family.
His NASCAR career will take a big hit or end completely imo. Regardless of his legal culpability, his sponsorship dollars will dry up.
Posted on 8/10/14 at 3:56 pm to Nicolae
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I addressed some of this in my last post. I'm not entirely sure the engine you hear being gunned is Tony's car and his speed never really seems to change much. I'm not sure he gunned the gas at all.
The video and audio clearly show he gunned it. You can also hear the car that swerved come off the gas when he swerves.
This is morbid, but I also think the autopsy will show Stewarts tire was accelerating when the victim went under the car. I believe that is why the body in the video is twisted and mangled the way it was as well.
Without the acceleration the car would have rolled over him and not spit him out like a rag doll, right?
Tragic.
Posted on 8/10/14 at 3:56 pm to Crowknowsbest
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On the other hand, I think Stewart will ultimately be forced to settle a large civil case with the family.
His NASCAR career will take a big hit or end completely imo. Regardless of his legal culpability, his sponsorship dollars will dry up.
Which is why I have such a problem with Ward. Idiot should have stayed in his car and is entitled to nothing. I hope they sue and lose. Now all of racing is going to suffer and an innocent person is going to have their life screwed up because this guy is a self-centered, egotist shithead that cannot accept responsibility for hitting the wall.
I see nothing on that tape that speaks to any sort of malicious intent on Tony's part. There is clearly such intent on the part of Ward.
Posted on 8/10/14 at 4:03 pm to Nicolae
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an innocent person
Way too early to know that for sure.
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I see nothing on that tape that speaks to any sort of malicious intent on Tony's part.
There's also nothing on the tape that shows he didn't have malicious intent. There's not enough public information to prove anything at this point.
Point is that you can't totally absolve Stewart of all blame at this point. To me, it seems likely that he was at least negligent.
Posted on 8/10/14 at 4:04 pm to Jefferson Dawg
I have yet to watch the vid.
How would it compare to the nick berg video?
How would it compare to the nick berg video?
Posted on 8/10/14 at 4:04 pm to Crowknowsbest
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