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re: So Tony Stewart ran over and killed another driver at a race last night
Posted on 8/10/14 at 12:58 pm to retooc
Posted on 8/10/14 at 12:58 pm to retooc
Watch the video again and make sure you have the volume turned up high..........
Listen to the engine of Stewart's car right before impact.
It tells the story. He clearly guns it. It's irrefutable.
Stewart is going to have to answer to that. This is bad.
Listen to the engine of Stewart's car right before impact.
It tells the story. He clearly guns it. It's irrefutable.
Stewart is going to have to answer to that. This is bad.
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Posted on 8/10/14 at 12:59 pm to Jefferson Dawg
He hits the gas...no doubt.
Still no chance to convict.
Still no chance to convict.
Posted on 8/10/14 at 1:01 pm to retooc
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Still no chance to convict.
I'm not saying convict him.
But, this thing needs to be seen for what it is.
Posted on 8/10/14 at 1:03 pm to Jefferson Dawg
For me its simple. The kid makes a terrible decision to get out of the car.
Tony made no effort or very little to avoid him. He had a line and stayed on it.
Tony made no effort or very little to avoid him. He had a line and stayed on it.
Posted on 8/10/14 at 1:04 pm to BeefDawg
quote:It has to be recorded somewhere for liability like this.
Now are they recorded? I am not sure, but I doubt it.
Or at the least...you had 3-4 people listening to Tony's thoughts live who will have to cover for him if he indeed mentioned it was on purpose.
Posted on 8/10/14 at 1:06 pm to tween the hedges
Posted on 8/10/14 at 1:06 pm to Jefferson Dawg
I don't see charges being made either. Both drivers at fault. I just feel Tony is more responsible.
Posted on 8/10/14 at 1:16 pm to tween the hedges
I'd be surprised if there were radio comm. Radio scanners are a big deal at NASCAR races. You can listen to your drivers radio comm during the race. I'll guarantee you someone at that race would have had a scanner and listened in on Stewart's radio. A big name driver at a local Saturday night race? Lots of interest in his radio comm, don't ya think? Some jackass looking for Internet fame would already be blasting everything that was heard all over the interwebs.
Posted on 8/10/14 at 1:18 pm to djrichiep
This happened on a turn and these cars are designed to drift through turns. Meaning you enter the turn by initially making a quick hard left jerk of the wheel, and then gunning the gas, this sends the back end in to a semi-lateral drift. If you kept the steering wheel cranked left at this point, you would do a super tight donut with the rear end drifting through the whole spin.
But in this case, as soon as the rear end goes in to the lateral drift, the driver turns the wheel right and the entire car then drifts through the turn with the angle of the turn. Slight adjustments harder right and more gas can make you go high through the turn and slight adjustments of softer right and less gas can pull you down lower in the turn.
If Ward was standing directly in front of Tony's path while he was in a lateral drift, the only option is for Tony to straighten out the wheel and gun it to try and pull the rear end out of the drift. This is the part of the video we don't quite see.
From what it looks like to me, is Tony was trying to release from the drift and go to the left of Ward, but Ward was too close and the rear wheel struck him. And this made the car veer right afterwards.
It's just not reasonable to say he turned in to the kid when the front of the car is not what struck him. These cars are designed to drift. If you turn left, the back end drifts right. If you turn right, the back end drifts left. And especially if you're in the middle of a drift, you can't just stop on a dime and pop out of it instantly going straight.
But in this case, as soon as the rear end goes in to the lateral drift, the driver turns the wheel right and the entire car then drifts through the turn with the angle of the turn. Slight adjustments harder right and more gas can make you go high through the turn and slight adjustments of softer right and less gas can pull you down lower in the turn.
If Ward was standing directly in front of Tony's path while he was in a lateral drift, the only option is for Tony to straighten out the wheel and gun it to try and pull the rear end out of the drift. This is the part of the video we don't quite see.
From what it looks like to me, is Tony was trying to release from the drift and go to the left of Ward, but Ward was too close and the rear wheel struck him. And this made the car veer right afterwards.
It's just not reasonable to say he turned in to the kid when the front of the car is not what struck him. These cars are designed to drift. If you turn left, the back end drifts right. If you turn right, the back end drifts left. And especially if you're in the middle of a drift, you can't just stop on a dime and pop out of it instantly going straight.
Posted on 8/10/14 at 1:18 pm to retooc
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. T ony made no effort or very little to avoid him. He had a line and stayed on it.
And gunned it when he got to him.....
Trying to show the kid just who he's messing with and let him know he doesn't take shite off anyone........and.accidentally killing him in the process.
That appears to be the grim reality here.
Tragic.
Posted on 8/10/14 at 1:21 pm to BeefDawg
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If you turn left, the back end drifts right. If you turn right, the back end drifts left. And especially if you're in the middle of a drift, you can't just stop on a dime and pop out of it instantly going straight.
The car before Stewart turned left and avoided the kid easily.......and WITHOUT accelerating.
Watch the video.
Posted on 8/10/14 at 1:23 pm to djrichiep
Oh didn't know that. Yeah anyone utilizing the radio scanner would definitely be on his station unless they were family/friends of another driver.
Posted on 8/10/14 at 1:23 pm to Jefferson Dawg
Seems to me like they were playing chicken & tony won....
Posted on 8/10/14 at 1:25 pm to Jefferson Dawg
Possibly true.
Or maybe he got in the gas at that spot of the track every time around.
Or maybe he got in the gas at that spot of the track every time around.
Posted on 8/10/14 at 1:26 pm to Jefferson Dawg
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And gunned it when he got to him.....
Trying to show the kid just who he's messing with and let him know he doesn't take shite off anyone........and.accidentally killing him in the process.
That appears to be the grim reality here.
Yup.
Don't give me that drifting shite. It's during a caution and there was a guy on the track out of the car. He should have slowed down, not gunned it when you get to him. Smoke is well known to have a horrible temper. I've personally always liked his as a driver because he doesn't take shite. He obviously has crossed the line here.
Posted on 8/10/14 at 1:29 pm to BeefDawg
quote:I'm assuming since they were under caution & supposedly running at caution speeds, no drifting, etc. was going on....
These cars are designed to drift. If you turn left, the back end drifts right. If you turn right, the back end drifts left. And especially if you're in the middle of a drift, you can't just stop on a dime and pop out of it instantly going straight.
Posted on 8/10/14 at 1:30 pm to Jefferson Dawg
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Listen to the engine of Stewart's car right before impact. It tells the story. He clearly guns it. It's irrefutable. Stewart is going to have to answer to that. This is bad.
You obviously have no clue how car drifting works.
If Tony is in the middle of a turn drift and slams on his brakes, his rear end is still going to hit the kid. Braking doesn't straighten out the car and on slick dirt at those speeds they certainly don't stop on a dime.
His only choice was to hit the gas and straighten the wheel so the rear end comes around. If he cranks the wheel right, he goes higher on the turn, right in to Ward and his car. If he cranks the wheel left, the back end just slings around to the right even harder and either sends him into a counter-clockwise spin or flipping the car over on its side. Either one of those choices still hits Ward.
His only option was to hit the gas and try to go around him. Ward got too close, however.
Stop insinuating he did something wrong by hitting the gas. You're being ignorant to how these cars and drifting works.
Posted on 8/10/14 at 1:32 pm to dallasga6
The caution went up a whopping 2 seconds before the incident.
Posted on 8/10/14 at 1:32 pm to BeefDawg
They were under caution. Not at full speed. There was no drifting until Tony gunned the engine. They don't drift at caution speeds. Which is why the kid thought he was safe to walk out there.
Posted on 8/10/14 at 1:34 pm to BeefDawg
Wrong, Field made nearly a full lap under caution before they got back to his car.
He spun on backstretch out of turn 2. They all took yellow on frontstretch before getting back to him.
He spun on backstretch out of turn 2. They all took yellow on frontstretch before getting back to him.
This post was edited on 8/10/14 at 1:36 pm
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