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Saban Blocking a Transfer to Georgia
Posted on 8/3/16 at 7:47 am
Posted on 8/3/16 at 7:47 am
Acoording to the mother. LINK
Posted on 8/3/16 at 7:54 am to K9
He's supposed to graduate from Alabama this weekend. We'll see what happens then.
Posted on 8/3/16 at 7:58 am to Crowknowsbest
Unless I misunderstood the article I read the SEC still requires the original school to sign off on the transfer. The article said the SEC treats interconference graduate transfers the same way it does regular transfers. Again, I could have interpreted it incorrectly but this is what I took from it.
Posted on 8/3/16 at 8:03 am to RedFive
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Unless I misunderstood the article I read the SEC still requires the original school to sign off on the transfer. The article said the SEC treats interconference graduate transfers the same way it does regular transfers. Again, I could have interpreted it incorrectly but this is what I took from it.
It does, but I'm not sure that Alabama will stick to their guns on this under media scrutiny, especially after they just let Chris Black transfer to Missouri.
BTW, Georgia better be careful not to do anything that could be perceived as tampering.
Posted on 8/3/16 at 8:07 am to Crowknowsbest
I don't know, I'll be kinda surprised if Saban allows one of his guys to jump ship to UGA like this. Hopefully it's works out but I have my doubts.
Posted on 8/3/16 at 8:13 am to K9
He looks like he'd be a good addition, but I was hoping I'd open the link and it was a big lineman on either side of the ball - preferably D. Guess it's a moot point anyway if he's blocked.
Posted on 8/3/16 at 8:25 am to K9
So the way I understand it is, if he transfers in conference - he has to sit out a year. If he transfers out of conference, he's eligible immediately.
Would be ideal for us as he would have a year of practice before his one year of eligibility.
Would be ideal for us as he would have a year of practice before his one year of eligibility.
Posted on 8/3/16 at 8:28 am to K9
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Saban Blocking a Transfer to Georgia
Didn't CKS block a transfer to Miami to play for CMR?? Kinda the same thing...
Posted on 8/3/16 at 8:34 am to dallasga6
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Didn't CKS block a transfer to Miami to play for CMR?? Kinda the same thing...
Similar, but not totally the same. Smith will have graduated from Alabama.
ETA: If a UGA player had graduated and then wanted to go to Miami, Smart wouldn't have been able to stop it. The SEC rule is the only way Alabama can.
This post was edited on 8/3/16 at 8:42 am
Posted on 8/3/16 at 8:42 am to dallasga6
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Didn't CKS block a transfer to Miami to play for CMR?? Kinda the same thing...
Kirby didn't want any player who wanted to follow Richt, to be able to do so. He wanted to set that precedent.
This situation is a little different because he will be a grad transfer and there aren't going to be many cases of impact player grad transfers wanting to join Kirby. Saban could have helped himself by blocking any and all transfers, grad or undergrad, within the conference.
Posted on 8/3/16 at 8:42 am to dallasga6
Pretty much.
Obvosouly CMR was the HC and Kirby was just the DC, but I think Kirby and Saban both have the same concern, they don't want a bunch of kids jumping ship to Miami or UGA based on previous relationships with a former coach.
Maybe Greenberg will bitch at Saban too.
Obvosouly CMR was the HC and Kirby was just the DC, but I think Kirby and Saban both have the same concern, they don't want a bunch of kids jumping ship to Miami or UGA based on previous relationships with a former coach.
Maybe Greenberg will bitch at Saban too.
Posted on 8/3/16 at 8:49 am to K9
Has anybody followed Miami to see if Richt is still allowing for the same suicidal open transfer policy down there?
We'll still be dealing with the consequences of it here for another few years. Or until they get kicked out of auburn or Louisville or wherever again.
We'll still be dealing with the consequences of it here for another few years. Or until they get kicked out of auburn or Louisville or wherever again.
Posted on 8/3/16 at 9:25 am to Crowknowsbest
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Similar, but not totally the same. Smith will have graduated from Alabama.
ETA: If a UGA player had graduated and then wanted to go to Miami, Smart wouldn't have been able to stop it. The SEC rule is the only way Alabama can.
The really interesting thing here is the difference from the *player* side of things. Turman specifically mentioned he had no interest in going to Miami, so the clause had no real teeth other than sending a message. In this case, however, Saban set a precedent of allowing a grad transfer in conference already *and* the player/family wants to attend UGA. If Kirby got killed for adding a clause that had next to zero impact on the end destination of the kid, it will be interesting to see how this shakes out for Saban. The easy storyline is to say good for the goose/good for the gander regarding transfer restrictions and Smart's previous stance *but* I just don't see them to be the same (even taking off the homer glasses).
Posted on 8/3/16 at 1:10 pm to Jefferson Dawg
The new dawg nation article says Saban had all the kid's personal stuff in his locker cleaned out and thrown in the trash right after their first meeting about transfering.
Part of The Process, i guess.
Part of The Process, i guess.
Posted on 8/3/16 at 1:29 pm to gatorhata9
Graduate transfers don't have to sit out whether in conference or out.
Posted on 8/3/16 at 1:29 pm to fibonaccisquared
I've tried to look at it without being a homer, as well, and while I understand and agree with some of what Saban is saying, I don't agree with it as a whole.
There is a more recent DawgNation article that details Smith's letter to the Alabama Appeals Committee requesting this transfer, I'll try to attach. Basically for those that don't want to read it, he felt "ostracized" from the team the day after he met with Saban to inform him of his desire to transfer, showing up to the locker room only to find all of his personal belongings, team gear, etc in the trash. He was barred from the facility, even detailing a text from a staffer saying they couldn't let him in because its "all in or out policy."
I understand Saban wanting to set a precedent that just because Kirby relocated in conference does not mean players can follow suit. That's what Kirby did more or less (despite that Miami is in the ACC). Makes plenty of sense to me. The difference here is that the kid is graduating Saturday, he actually wanted to go to Baylor before these Art Briles scandal came to light, only then did he settle on UGA, he claims Alabama and Saban have intentionally slow-played the process for things to work out in their favor, and most importantly, there's a bit of a double-standard here. By allowing another grad transfer in Chris Black to transfer to Mizzou to play, you really don't have much of a leg to stand on because the only difference with Smith is he could see playing time at nickleback. Without that, I can't completely disagree with Saban. But because of Chris Black, this kid should be allowed to transfer and play here, immediately, IMO.
To put a cap on it, I think Smith said it best in his letter to Alabama's appeals committee: "Please do not punish my success and instead reward the efforts of discipline and determination that UA requires in all of their student-athletes to succeed."
I'd also like to point out that this kid seems incredibly intelligent/well read and has great understanding for what he's doing(no surprise given he's graduating in three years.)
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There is a more recent DawgNation article that details Smith's letter to the Alabama Appeals Committee requesting this transfer, I'll try to attach. Basically for those that don't want to read it, he felt "ostracized" from the team the day after he met with Saban to inform him of his desire to transfer, showing up to the locker room only to find all of his personal belongings, team gear, etc in the trash. He was barred from the facility, even detailing a text from a staffer saying they couldn't let him in because its "all in or out policy."
I understand Saban wanting to set a precedent that just because Kirby relocated in conference does not mean players can follow suit. That's what Kirby did more or less (despite that Miami is in the ACC). Makes plenty of sense to me. The difference here is that the kid is graduating Saturday, he actually wanted to go to Baylor before these Art Briles scandal came to light, only then did he settle on UGA, he claims Alabama and Saban have intentionally slow-played the process for things to work out in their favor, and most importantly, there's a bit of a double-standard here. By allowing another grad transfer in Chris Black to transfer to Mizzou to play, you really don't have much of a leg to stand on because the only difference with Smith is he could see playing time at nickleback. Without that, I can't completely disagree with Saban. But because of Chris Black, this kid should be allowed to transfer and play here, immediately, IMO.
To put a cap on it, I think Smith said it best in his letter to Alabama's appeals committee: "Please do not punish my success and instead reward the efforts of discipline and determination that UA requires in all of their student-athletes to succeed."
I'd also like to point out that this kid seems incredibly intelligent/well read and has great understanding for what he's doing(no surprise given he's graduating in three years.)
LINK
Posted on 8/3/16 at 1:58 pm to Barstools
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Graduate transfers don't have to sit out whether in conference or out.
In the sec a school block a graduate player from transferring to another sec school if they choose.
Posted on 8/3/16 at 2:00 pm to Sanford&MunSon
He can still come here, but he'd have to sit out and redshirt this season.
He graduated in 3 years, so that's an option if he so chooses. It might be his best option, too. He's not going to have time to learn a completely new system and play well at another school before the NFL draft. He pretty clearly isn't going back to Alabama.
He graduated in 3 years, so that's an option if he so chooses. It might be his best option, too. He's not going to have time to learn a completely new system and play well at another school before the NFL draft. He pretty clearly isn't going back to Alabama.
Posted on 8/3/16 at 2:15 pm to K9
Damn, he goes to clean out his locker and they got all his personal shite in the thrash. Now thats phucked up.
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