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re: Recent UGA Freshmen QBs and their progression from year 1 to 2
Posted on 12/21/16 at 12:01 pm to RhodeDawg
Posted on 12/21/16 at 12:01 pm to RhodeDawg
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He was a stud, Murray could run too if flushed out of the pocket. I think CMR and CMB actually coached the running out of him, as he matured I don't remember him running as much.
I've never understood all the Murray love. Murray often choked badly in big games with multiple fumbles and interceptions. Murray played 14 games against rated teams and only won 3 of those games. Murray was tough as nails and fully committed to UGA but Greene and shockley were much better. Mason was more reliable.
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Posted on 12/21/16 at 12:04 pm to Whiznot
Give Murray the defenses Greene and Shockley had and see what would've happened. Not discrediting either of them at all, Greene was a very smart QB and Shockley was obviously smart and athletic. But neither of them were having to put up 30+ points consistently just to win games either.
Posted on 12/21/16 at 12:23 pm to Whiznot
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Murray played 14 games against rated teams and only won 3 of those games.
That had more to do with the team than Murray, imo. You can't necessarily hang a lack of wins totally on a QB. I really don't remember many losses against ranked teams in which Murray had bad games. I always thought, more often than not, that we lost in spite of Murray and not because of Murray.
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Greene and shockley were much better.
Greene was clutch, no doubt. Shockley? Dedicated player, but not nearly as good as Murray.
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Mason was more reliable.
The only reason was because the coaches didn't trust Mason and would not let him throw down field a whole lot. The coaches had full confidence in Murray, and let him take more chances with the football.
These are only what I observed and my opinion. I'm sure some will not agree with them.
Posted on 12/21/16 at 1:16 pm to WG_Dawg
How relevant are these numbers if the kid is throwing 100 times a game? I suspect his chemistry with the receivers was a huge issue.
I remember guys saying Stafford was throwing bullets and they bounced right off, and it took a season for guys to get used to it. Then when Murray came along, he had the "touch", which is code for he lays them in there nice and easy. Now we have Eason throwing bullets and next year Fromm (guy with touch) is coming in. You see a cycle here?
I like our future regardless of percentages...
I remember guys saying Stafford was throwing bullets and they bounced right off, and it took a season for guys to get used to it. Then when Murray came along, he had the "touch", which is code for he lays them in there nice and easy. Now we have Eason throwing bullets and next year Fromm (guy with touch) is coming in. You see a cycle here?
I like our future regardless of percentages...
Posted on 12/23/16 at 7:50 am to Whiznot
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Whiznot
I hate the fact that I hate you so much. Also, among all the other wrong things you've posted,
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Murray played 14 games against rated teams and only won 3 of those games.
this may be the wrongest.
This post was edited on 12/23/16 at 7:51 am
Posted on 12/23/16 at 9:16 am to WG_Dawg
Murray was 6-9 vs ranked teams and had a 143 average QB rating in those games.
Posted on 12/23/16 at 9:20 am to Whiznot
Shut up whiz.
Posted on 12/24/16 at 7:29 am to meansonny
quote:Eason IS missing the screen plays. I say this, because how many screens did we run all season? I'm sure Eason would of loved to throw more screen plays. I seriously think we only ran a handful of screens or less all season. Maybe just 2 or 3, but there were so many more times when we should have called it.
But Eason isn't just missing screen plays. It is a little worse than that.
Also our biggest problem this year was the Oline. With the studs we have in this recruiting class, and the JUCO transfer, we are setting up to have a better Oline than this upcoming season (I'm being very hopeful here). If we can have a better Oline, then who knows, Chaney may end up being good enough as the OC. I'm hoping this is the case.
A perfect example is the ATL Falcons. Look at how shitty their Oline was last year and how bad we all thought K Shanny was and we all wanted him to go. Well this year is year 2 and the biggest difference is the improved OLine play w/ the addition of A Mack. Now our ATL Falcons are the most explosive offensive unit in the NFL and the solid play at the Oline is a HUGE part of it. If we can get improved play on the Oline next season, then I think we can and will look much better on offense. I'm not saying Chaney is the answer, but a better Oline can make him and Eason look much better.
Posted on 12/24/16 at 7:43 am to Whiznot
quote:H Mason was a joke at QB and you are a complete dumbass to want him over Murray, which is what you are implying by saying that he 'was more reliable'.
Mason was more reliable.
How many intentional grounding plays did the 5th year senior H Mason make? I know he had at least 2 or 3, in only 1 season of playing. Also Mason could not throw the deep ball and the only plays Bobo would let him throw were 10 yards or less. Also if you go back and look at H Mason's 3rd down conversion rate when he actually threw a pass, it was horrific. In the game vs USC that we lost (infamous 1st and goal w/ Gurley), he was like 1-8 or an 0fer on 3rd downs. Mason was not reliable at all. Mason only threw for over 200 yards in just ONE game and in that game we got blown out by UF. Mason was serviceable, but we were very limited to what we could do because of the lack of his ability. No way is he any better than Murray, and in fact the longest pass of the season when Mason was the starter was thrown by Todd Gurley.
Posted on 12/26/16 at 12:26 pm to DawgGONIT
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H Mason was a joke at QB
Wrong,he wasn't asked to do much but he did complete close
to 68% of his passes with 21 TD's and 4 pics.Pretty impressive
IMO but he obviously wasn't close to being the QB Murray was.
Posted on 12/26/16 at 8:51 pm to DawgGONIT
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Eason IS missing the screen plays.
I'm pretty sure that you missed the point of the post, but that's ok.
Posted on 12/26/16 at 11:39 pm to RD Dawg
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Wrong,he wasn't asked to do much but he did complete close
to 68% of his passes with 21 TD's and 4 pics.Pretty impressive
IMO but he obviously wasn't close to being the QB Murray was.
I'm with you. Despite not being "asked to do too much", we never used Hutson for what he did well. He was a rhythm QB and his best passes were over the middle (slants, seams, crosses, curls). We had Hutson throw consistently outside the numbers ( throws that required more strength than he had in his arm). The benefit to the team was that attacking the perimeter of the field on screens, 5 yard, 10 yard, and 15 yard routes opened opportunities for our run game by spreading the field. Hutson did pretty well despite us never really spreading the field, putting him in shotgun, and attacking the linebackers with the short passing game.
Posted on 12/27/16 at 9:20 am to Whiznot
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I've never understood all the Murray love. Murray often choked badly in big games with multiple fumbles and interceptions. Murray played 14 games against rated teams and only won 3 of those games. Murray was tough as nails and fully committed to UGA but Greene and shockley were much better. Mason was more reliable.
Let me put it this way. When Zack Mettenberger was red hot and hitting damn near every pass in the 2013 LSU game, and your star RB leaves that game early with a sprained ankle, would you really rather have Greene, Shockley or Mason out there trying to keep up in a shootout than Murray?
Posted on 12/27/16 at 12:06 pm to VADawg
Let me have David Greene. Against LSU and Nick Saban, David Greene tossed a school-record five touchdown passes for a 45-16 win. No drama needed.
Murray's frequent fumbles and interceptions were game killers way too often. I don't want to see any more hero ball. I prefer boring, mistake-free steadiness.
Murray's frequent fumbles and interceptions were game killers way too often. I don't want to see any more hero ball. I prefer boring, mistake-free steadiness.
Posted on 12/27/16 at 12:10 pm to Whiznot
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Let me have David Greene. Against LSU and Nick Saban, David Greene tossed a school-record five touchdown passes for a 45-16 win. No drama needed.
Murray's frequent fumbles and interceptions were game killers way too often. I don't want to see any more hero ball. I prefer boring, mistake-free steadiness.
Does it ever enter your brain that the difference in Greene's boring, easy wins and Murray's high scoring shootouts is that DG had the 2nd best DC we've ever had (that only gave up 30 points once in his career) while murry had grantham and was forced to have to outscore people?
I mean, picking out one game that greene stuffed the stat sheet in a route and comparing it to Murray's game where he had to carry us on his back because we had ZERO defense isn't even remotely similar.
Posted on 12/27/16 at 12:10 pm to Whiznot
Too bad AM never had support from the defense
Posted on 12/27/16 at 12:19 pm to Whiznot
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No drama needed.
That's because the d didn't give up a go ahead td late in the game. Greene made more mistakes than some of our fans remember.
Posted on 12/27/16 at 12:27 pm to Buddy2012
Murray's defenses:
13: 29 ppg, 376 ypg
12: 20 ppg, 358 ypg
11: 21 ppg, 277 ypg
10: 22 ppg, 329 ypg
Greene's defenses:
04: 17 ppg, 289 ypg
03: 15 ppg, 277 ypg
02: 15 ppg, 304 ypg
01: 19 ppg, 362 ypg
In their senior seasons murray's defenses were giving up almost 100 yards and nearly 2 touchdowns more PER GAME. The best point per game defense murray ever had was still worse than greene's worst.
13: 29 ppg, 376 ypg
12: 20 ppg, 358 ypg
11: 21 ppg, 277 ypg
10: 22 ppg, 329 ypg
Greene's defenses:
04: 17 ppg, 289 ypg
03: 15 ppg, 277 ypg
02: 15 ppg, 304 ypg
01: 19 ppg, 362 ypg
In their senior seasons murray's defenses were giving up almost 100 yards and nearly 2 touchdowns more PER GAME. The best point per game defense murray ever had was still worse than greene's worst.
Posted on 12/27/16 at 12:30 pm to djsdawg
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Greene made more mistakes than some of our fans remember.
I love david greene, always will. But he benefitted by having some EXCELLENT defenses. His numbers overall are very good but nothing to really write home about, Murray is better in just about every conceivable way. But on the back of BVG's stellar defenses Greene won a crap ton of games and had a few signature moments that Murray didn't really have.
If you're comparing who is the better QB of the two, I don't think there's any doubt to me it's murray. Greene was slow and steady and wasn't going to put you in bad spots much, but he also wasn't gonna be a guy to lead you back from 3 touchdowns behidn in the second half either. Forutantely for him BVG was so good that we weren't ever really in that position.
Posted on 12/27/16 at 4:12 pm to Whiznot
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Let me have David Greene. Against LSU and Nick Saban, David Greene tossed a school-record five touchdown passes for a 45-16 win. No drama needed
With our 2012 and 2013 defenses, that 16 would have been significantly higher. The 2012 team would have steamrolled their way to a national title with the 2002 defense.
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I don't want to see any more hero ball. I prefer boring, mistake-free steadiness
That works when you have a great, elite defense. That doesn't work when you need points. Greene had a great defense and Murray needed points.
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