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re: Recent UGA Freshmen QBs and their progression from year 1 to 2
Posted on 12/20/16 at 11:57 am to TMDawg
Posted on 12/20/16 at 11:57 am to TMDawg
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Chaney does with Eason from year 1 to year 2.
Based on the numbers above Cheney/Smart are doing as well with a Freshman QB as our other staff did with those other QB's. If Eason excels next year will everyone be able to mention Chaney without throwing up in their mouth a little?
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Posted on 12/20/16 at 12:05 pm to SquatchDawg
Only problem I have with Eason is the accuracy issues on the easy throws.
Staffords low completion percentage was in large part to throwing down field so much (low percentage, high reward plays).
As this season played along, we got more and more conservative with Easons throws... trying to get him in a groove. And even with those tosses, he missed the mark or misplaced his balls on the receiver.
The case in point would be to compare him to Zach Mettenberger. Strong arm. But not precise.. even on the easy throws.
Can Eason improve? Absolutely. I'm sure he will work his tail off. But ball placement is not an easy skill to develop.
For the record... Murray struggled with his screens for several years before he got it right. But Eason isn't just missing screen plays. It is a little worse than that.
Staffords low completion percentage was in large part to throwing down field so much (low percentage, high reward plays).
As this season played along, we got more and more conservative with Easons throws... trying to get him in a groove. And even with those tosses, he missed the mark or misplaced his balls on the receiver.
The case in point would be to compare him to Zach Mettenberger. Strong arm. But not precise.. even on the easy throws.
Can Eason improve? Absolutely. I'm sure he will work his tail off. But ball placement is not an easy skill to develop.
For the record... Murray struggled with his screens for several years before he got it right. But Eason isn't just missing screen plays. It is a little worse than that.
Posted on 12/20/16 at 12:06 pm to DawgsLife
I disagree. How can you say that about the Vandy drop? That would have put us inside the Vandy 35 with over a minute to play and only down 1. Instead, we had the 4th down disaster call.
Posted on 12/20/16 at 12:07 pm to SquatchDawg
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will everyone be able to mention Chaney without throwing up in their mouth a little?
I'm not wild about the guy, but at this moment I'm still giving him the benefit of the doubt. Next year will be where I really form my opinion on him.
On the one hand, yes he has had some maddening play calls that frustrate me to no end. On the other, in his first year here (ie, he hasn't had a crap ton of time to develop these guys) he was dealt a TFr QB, a piss poor OL, receivers who couldnt' catch the first half of the year, and a brand new staff with no real identity yet.
I also try to remember that we were all fed up with Bobo up until about 2011 when he really turned it up a notch and made our offense borderline elite.
If chaney blows again next year with an older Eason, a should-be-improved OL, a ridiculously deep RB group, should-be-improved receivers and a ridiculously deep TE room...then I'm ready to can the guy.
Posted on 12/20/16 at 12:09 pm to djsdawg
There were way too many drops this year. I started thinking his balls were hard to catch somethimes. He has such incredible arm strength that even his wobbly balls fly fast. Some were just bad drops though. He should continue to master his timing and touch.
Posted on 12/20/16 at 12:11 pm to Peter Buck
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I started thinking his balls were hard to catch somethimes. He has such incredible arm strength that even his wobbly balls fly fast
You may be onto something.
In 06 momass, milner, kenneth harris, goodman, etc seemed to almsot drop more balls than they caught. The following year we were pretty formidable through the air. Hopefully just another year of rapport with the guy will help some.
Posted on 12/20/16 at 12:12 pm to Peter Buck
A lot of the drops were ball placement and touch.
Then again, many were not.
Both ends have to improve.
Then again, many were not.
Both ends have to improve.
Posted on 12/20/16 at 12:17 pm to SquatchDawg
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If Eason excels next year will everyone be able to mention Chaney without throwing up in their mouth a little?
I actually have no problem with Chaney. Were there times when I think he made a bad call? Yes. I have rarely watched a football game in which I didn't think a play call or two should have been different.
All in all, though? I think he did a good job.
Posted on 12/20/16 at 12:21 pm to djsdawg
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I disagree. How can you say that about the Vandy drop? That would have put us inside the Vandy 35 with over a minute to play and only down 1. Instead, we had the 4th down disaster call.
We still should have made the 4th and one call. It was a horrible play call. However, you are right. You can make a very strong case, that had the ball been caught we would have been in business.
I base what I said, because, we never should have been in that position to start with. And, it looked as if the ball was thrown a bit behind the receiver. Catchable? yes. But when you are running in one direction it is not easy to catch a ball that is thrown behind you. It is VERY difficult.
Don't misunderstand me. You make a very good point with that one.
Posted on 12/20/16 at 12:29 pm to DawgsLife
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I base what I said, because, we never should have been in that position to start with. And, it looked as if the ball was thrown a bit behind the receiver. Catchable? yes. But when you are running in one direction it is not easy to catch a ball that is thrown behind you. It is VERY difficult.
That ball absolutely should have been caught.
Posted on 12/20/16 at 12:30 pm to djsdawg
It would've been on the Vandy 29. fricking Chigbu
Posted on 12/20/16 at 1:01 pm to Crowknowsbest
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That ball absolutely should have been caught.
Which is why I said it was catchable. My problem is we never should have been in that position to start with. I am not ready to say that drop was why we lost the game.
Posted on 12/20/16 at 1:39 pm to DawgsLife
The later in the game a mistake it is, the costlier it is.
The closer to the goal line a mistake is, the costlier it is.
The Vandy drop involved both issues.
The closer to the goal line a mistake is, the costlier it is.
The Vandy drop involved both issues.
Posted on 12/20/16 at 2:02 pm to djsdawg
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The later in the game a mistake it is, the costlier it is.
I would disagree. It SEEMS costlier, but it isn't, in reality. It makes it seem that way, because you have fewer opportunities to make up for it. But we have dropped TD passes in several games early in the game and have not made the difference up.
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The closer to the goal line a mistake is, the costlier it is.
Again, that is perception, because of a perceived opportunity is lost. A fumble on the 50 could cost you a TD just as easily as a fumble on the 5 yard line.
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The Vandy drop involved both issues.
Again. We should never been in that position that late in the game. The game should have been in the "W" column long before we got to that point.
Posted on 12/20/16 at 2:06 pm to DawgsLife
Here is my point:
Total Plays:
Georgia 75
Vandy 47
Total Yards:
Georgia 421
Vandy 177
Turnovers:
Georgia 2
Vandy 1
One dropped pass did not lose us that game. We moved the ball all day long, and the game should have been put away a lot earlier than the 4th quarter.
Total Plays:
Georgia 75
Vandy 47
Total Yards:
Georgia 421
Vandy 177
Turnovers:
Georgia 2
Vandy 1
One dropped pass did not lose us that game. We moved the ball all day long, and the game should have been put away a lot earlier than the 4th quarter.
This post was edited on 12/20/16 at 2:09 pm
Posted on 12/20/16 at 2:06 pm to meansonny
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Only problem I have with Eason is the accuracy issues on the easy throws.
Eason rarely gets the ball out on time. There is little anticipation. The timing problem has an effect on accuracy. It's not all Eason's fault because the play calling was way too conservative. Eason needs to be allowed to pass on first downs more often. It is too hard to complete passes on third and long.
Posted on 12/20/16 at 2:10 pm to DawgsLife
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Here is my point:
Total Plays: Georgia 75 Vandy 47
Total Yards: Georgia 421 Vandy 177
Turnovers: Georgia 0 Vandy 0
One dropped pass did not lose us that game. We moved the ball all day long, and the game should have been put away a lot earlier than the 4th quarter.
The Vandy game was lost due to timid and moronic play calling. Grow a pair, Kirby.
Posted on 12/20/16 at 2:18 pm to Whiznot
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The Vandy game was lost due to timid and moronic play calling. Grow a pair, Kirby.
Maybe.
but, it was mainly the opening kickoff that they returned 95 yards, then scored. And then the second half kickoff that Reggie Davis stepped out of bounds with at our own 3. We had a three and out, then punted and they returned the ball 17 yards and kicked a FG.
If the kickoff doesn't happen at the very beginning of the game, we win. If the kickoff where we stepped out of bounds doesn't happen we move the ball out and they don't kick a FG and we would win. We can point to a lot of factors in this game....but one thing I feel very confident about is that a dropped pass late in the game didn't cost us the game. It certainly didn't help...and catching the pass could have helped us win the game....but it was not the reason we lost.
This post was edited on 12/20/16 at 2:46 pm
Posted on 12/20/16 at 2:54 pm to Whiznot
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Eason needs to be allowed to pass on first downs more often. It is too hard to complete passes on third and long.
He missed on easy throws. Yes... even the ones on first down.
If you want more opportunities, successfully execute and you get more of them. When we don't execute, everyone on offense suffers because we aren't converting first downs and we aren't utilizing all of our weapons/playbook.
I know what you are saying. But if Eason wants more opportunities, he has to take advantage of the play calls given (people are excited about how he protected the ball. That is more a result of the play calling than Eason... but his conversion on easy plays was borderline pathetic. With Lambert starting and that same approach, we win 9 games this season.)
Posted on 12/20/16 at 3:51 pm to RhodeDawg
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Before seeing this I would have argued that Stafford was a much better QB than Murray at UGA until I was blue in the face.
I would have been a blue-faced dumbass too. Never realized AM had numbers like that
Murray is 7th all time in CFB history in TD passes and 13th in passing yards. Both are first in SEC history.
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