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re: Recent UGA Freshmen QBs and their progression from year 1 to 2
Posted on 12/20/16 at 4:09 pm to VADawg
Posted on 12/20/16 at 4:09 pm to VADawg
And I'd guess a lot of those guys above him are like case keenum and graham Harrell and Various over flukey offense guys. Murray did it in a real, balanced offense. He was awesome
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Posted on 12/20/16 at 4:13 pm to meansonny
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Staffords low completion percentage was in large part to throwing down field so much (low percentage, high reward plays).
That was definitely not Staffords problem. His problem was throwing the short to intermediate passes directly into the ground in front of the receiver or 30 yards over their head.
Source: I went to pretty much every game Stafford ever played, including bowl games.
This post was edited on 12/20/16 at 4:14 pm
Posted on 12/20/16 at 4:17 pm to DawgsLife
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because you have fewer opportunities to make up for it.
Exactly what makes it costlier. The final drive was do or die. A catch puts us in game winning FG range. A drop puts us in 4th down.
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A fumble on the 50 could cost you a TD just as easily as a fumble on the 5 yard line.
The chances of scoring from the 5 are much higher than the chances of scoring from the 50.
Posted on 12/20/16 at 4:17 pm to VADawg
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Murray is 7th all time in CFB history in TD passes and 13th in passing yards. Both are first in SEC history.
He was a stud, Murray could run too if flushed out of the pocket. I think CMR and CMB actually coached the running out of him, as he matured I don't remember him running as much.
He would lower his head too- had balls of steel. DGD!
Posted on 12/20/16 at 4:35 pm to rockchlkjayhku11
Landry Jones is the only one higher on both lists who played in a real offense, and he was in the Big 12
Posted on 12/20/16 at 4:45 pm to djsdawg
I agree that turnovers near the goal line are costly- either way.
If we're on OUR OWN 2 yard line and give away a turnover the other team has 4 chances to gain only 2 yards for 7pts.
Conversely is no better, if we turn the ball over on THEIR 2 yard line we likely also just gave up 7pts we should have had.
However, mistakes or turnovers late in the game I think are more of a PERCEPTION of being costly due to the fact that time limits our ability to recover from that mistake or turnover.
Eta^^^ which I guess does make them also costly by definition.
I guess I'm saying turnovers near the goal line are MORE costly than turnovers late.
If we're on OUR OWN 2 yard line and give away a turnover the other team has 4 chances to gain only 2 yards for 7pts.
Conversely is no better, if we turn the ball over on THEIR 2 yard line we likely also just gave up 7pts we should have had.
However, mistakes or turnovers late in the game I think are more of a PERCEPTION of being costly due to the fact that time limits our ability to recover from that mistake or turnover.
Eta^^^ which I guess does make them also costly by definition.
I guess I'm saying turnovers near the goal line are MORE costly than turnovers late.
This post was edited on 12/20/16 at 4:52 pm
Posted on 12/20/16 at 5:35 pm to Barstools
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Source: I went to pretty much every game Stafford ever played, including bowl games.
Nice source. You remember the ones that connect and forget the ones that miss down field.
Fact, forcing the ball down field is a lower percentage completion than slants, curls, hitches, and acreens. I'm guessing that is news to you?
Posted on 12/20/16 at 7:03 pm to meansonny
Stafford didn't throw the ball down field his first season hardly ever. We're you even alive when he played at UGA? He consistently threw the ball into the ground at the receiver's feet. It was not because we were throwing it down field every play. In fact, that's part of the reason everyone hated on Bobo, we didn't take shots down the field. Don't let the facts get in the way of your rhetoric, though.
This post was edited on 12/20/16 at 7:05 pm
Posted on 12/20/16 at 8:14 pm to Barstools
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Stafford didn't throw the ball down field his first season hardly ever. We're you even alive when he played at UGA? He consistently threw the ball into the ground at the receiver's feet. It was not because we were throwing it down field every play. In fact, that's part of the reason everyone hated on Bobo, we didn't take shots down the field. Don't let the facts get in the way of your rhetoric, though
Ha. Ok. Whatever you want to think is fine.
Stafford was The Mad Bomber. He averaged 13 yards per completion in his freshman season (sean bailey and momass were the primary beneficiaries). The completion percentage was an abysmal 52%. I didn't say down field every play. But he definitely stretched the field vertically.
Posted on 12/20/16 at 8:30 pm to meansonny
The Mad Bomber 
That's rich.
That's rich. 
Posted on 12/20/16 at 10:58 pm to Barstools
Stafford definitely wasn't conservative and was never afraid to let one go downfield. Like Eason, he was extremely raw but immensely talented when he got to UGA. From about the 2006 Auburn game on, Stafford was taking deep shots downfield pretty regularly.
Posted on 12/21/16 at 2:45 am to meansonny
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Murray struggled with his screens for several years before he got it right
Huh?For "years"? He's the all time SEC leader in yards and TD's and had a 62%+ completion rate.He maybe had some issues with screens the 1st half in '10 but saying he "struggled for years" is a complete reach.
Posted on 12/21/16 at 5:58 am to RD Dawg
Agree to dsagree. It wasnt until his senior season that we comeleted RB screens with consistency.
I always figured his height and trying to loft the ball over defenders accurately contributed to his issues. When he had Gurley, it never seemed to be an issue, though.
Are you upset about that statement? He only had 1 Achilles heel for much of his career, and it was beating an aggressive pass rush with a screen call. That's pretty impressive.
I always figured his height and trying to loft the ball over defenders accurately contributed to his issues. When he had Gurley, it never seemed to be an issue, though.
Are you upset about that statement? He only had 1 Achilles heel for much of his career, and it was beating an aggressive pass rush with a screen call. That's pretty impressive.
Posted on 12/21/16 at 7:34 am to djsdawg
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Exactly what makes it costlier. The final drive was do or die. A catch puts us in game winning FG range. A drop puts us in 4th down.
Again. Against Vanderbilt, we never should have been in that position. Either of the kickoff gaffs go away and that dropped pass means nothing. There is no possible way Vanderbilt should have been in that game.
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The chances of scoring from the 5 are much higher than the chances of scoring from the 50.
I don't understand your point. I realize the percentages are higher, but they both can cost you a TD and a game. They are both costly. You made the point earlier about a dropped pass being a drive killer. A fumble is a drive killer more often than a dropped pass.
Posted on 12/21/16 at 7:42 am to meansonny
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Are you upset about that statement? He only had 1 Achilles heel for much of his career, and it was beating an aggressive pass rush with a screen call.
Not upset its just not accurate.His biggest flaw especially a little earlier in his career was long ball accuracy.
No doubt there was some difficulty with other passes (screens included) due to his height.
Posted on 12/21/16 at 8:35 am to DawgsLife
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Posted on 12/21/16 at 8:35 am to DawgsLife
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Against Vanderbilt, we never should have been in that position.
Agree but that's irrelevant. Since we were in that position, we needed to score and the drop played a big role in us not scoring. If we scored, we would have overcome the other mistakes.
This post was edited on 12/21/16 at 8:37 am
Posted on 12/21/16 at 9:00 am to RD Dawg
Cheers
Posted on 12/21/16 at 10:03 am to djsdawg
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Agree but that's irrelevant.
You're right. It is irrelevant from the standpoint that either it cost you the game or it didn't. It really doesn't matter whether it or not it SHOULD have cost you the game. I just have a hard time saying that a play cost us a game, when we should have had that game tied up in a bow long before the pass was thrown. NOT having it wrapped up is what cost us the game. Allowing Vandy to still be on the field indicates to me that there were much deeper problems going on.
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we needed to score and the drop played a big role in us not scoring. If we scored, we would have overcome the other mistakes.
This is true. No argument. But in the long list of reasons we lost the game...that dropped pass goes way, way, way down the list, imo. However, your point you made earlier was legitimate.....it certainly did play a part. Just,imo, not a huge part.
Posted on 12/21/16 at 10:27 am to DawgsLife
This thread started with a modicum of hope.
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