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re: Question for Prettyboy/Spread Offense Lobbyists

Posted on 1/13/15 at 10:37 am to
Posted by Crowknowsbest
Member since May 2012
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Posted on 1/13/15 at 10:37 am to
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We only wish we could have a 5 year run like Oregon has had.

Please answer me honestly. Do you think offense has been holding Georgia back?
Posted by Prettyboy Floyd
Pensacola, Florida
Member since Dec 2013
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Posted on 1/13/15 at 10:39 am to
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Depends on what you're trying to accomplish.



Again, they have accomplished more in 5 years than UGA has in 35.

Oregon is a Top 5 power program. They own our fricking asses.
Posted by TMDawg
Member since Nov 2012
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Posted on 1/13/15 at 10:39 am to
You failed to point out where it has won championships. And it's pretty clear at this point that power football is what beats Oregon. If you look at their losses over that same 5 year span, they're not all in BCS and NC games, but they pretty much are all in games against teams that run a more traditional attack (excluding Arizona this year). A downhill offense, disciplined LBs, and a strong DL beat the high flying version of their offense every time.
Posted by Crowknowsbest
Member since May 2012
25876 posts
Posted on 1/13/15 at 10:40 am to
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Again, they have accomplished more in 5 years than UGA has in 35.

And yet, the big prize has eluded them. Isn't that what we're after?
Posted by TMDawg
Member since Nov 2012
5374 posts
Posted on 1/13/15 at 10:40 am to
Yea because of our offense right? Surely must be. No way our defensive problems played a role at all.
Posted by Prettyboy Floyd
Pensacola, Florida
Member since Dec 2013
15660 posts
Posted on 1/13/15 at 10:42 am to
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Please answer me honestly. Do you think offense has been holding Georgia back?


I think our offense needs to improve in certain areas ...yes. I don't think we need to line up against 10 man fronts for the next 3 years and hope that Nick Chubb can carry us.

Posted by TMDawg
Member since Nov 2012
5374 posts
Posted on 1/13/15 at 10:43 am to
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FSU is on a different level that Georgia

2013 - absolutely without a doubt.
2014-
Posted by Prettyboy Floyd
Pensacola, Florida
Member since Dec 2013
15660 posts
Posted on 1/13/15 at 10:44 am to
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And yet, the big prize has eluded them. Isn't that what we're after?



3 BCS wins and 2 National Title appearances is a hell of alot more exciting than the Belk Bowl or the Capital One games against Nebraska year after year.
Posted by Prettyboy Floyd
Pensacola, Florida
Member since Dec 2013
15660 posts
Posted on 1/13/15 at 10:45 am to
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2014-


They went undefeated.

They beat two teams that we lost to.

Not sure what's funny
Posted by Crowknowsbest
Member since May 2012
25876 posts
Posted on 1/13/15 at 10:45 am to
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I think our offense needs to improve in certain areas ...yes. I don't think we need to line up against 10 man fronts for the next 3 years and hope that Nick Chubb can carry us.

Literally no one is in favor of that
Posted by VADawg
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Posted on 1/13/15 at 10:46 am to
What has happened to Oregon every single time they go up against someone who is willing to take the fight to them and play grown man, physical, power football with the players good enough to do it? Let's take a look since Chip Kelly took the HC job in 2009...

2009: Boise State 19, Oregon 8 (the infamous LeGarrette Blount punch game)
Ohio State 26, Oregon 17 (Rose Bowl). My favorite part about this is the day before the game Chip Kelly said time of possession was the most overrated stat in football. T.O.P.: OSU 42:00 Oregon 18:00

2010: Oregon 52, Stanford 31. The best game Oregon has played in the last five years.
Auburn 22, Oregon 19

2011: LSU 40, Oregon 27
Oregon 53, Stanford 30

2012: Stanford 17, Oregon 14

2013: Stanford 26, Oregon 20

2014: Oregon 46, Mich St 27 (in fairness, MSU wasn't the same team defensively it had been in the previous two years)
Oregon 45, Stanford 16 (same as MSU, not the same team they had been in past years)
OSU 42, Oregon 20

This post was edited on 1/13/15 at 10:49 am
Posted by Crowknowsbest
Member since May 2012
25876 posts
Posted on 1/13/15 at 10:46 am to
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3 BCS wins and 2 National Title appearances is a hell of alot more exciting than the Belk Bowl or the Capital One games against Nebraska year after year.

That's not the goal, imo.
Posted by bigdawg7780
SC
Member since Oct 2013
2789 posts
Posted on 1/13/15 at 10:47 am to
I want spread elemets in the offense a kinda of melding of our offense and Oregon's. Tempo with power if you will, what I'd really like to see is running tempo with Jeb and Hicks in the game so you can flip between shotgun 3 wide and I without ever subbing and really frick with people.
Posted by MSGADawg5988
Member since Feb 2014
1361 posts
Posted on 1/13/15 at 10:49 am to
FSU would not have beaten us this season. Last year yeah they would have owned us but we would also give Oregon a run for their money. Still would lose. Why do u want to go to an Oregon style offense? When ours has clearly been effective. The main goal is NCs and both Oregon and UGA have fallen short. I don't understand why u want their offense when the team that beat them clearly featured a down hill running attack which is exactly what we do
Posted by TMDawg
Member since Nov 2012
5374 posts
Posted on 1/13/15 at 10:51 am to
I'm not against spread elements at all. Though 'spread' seems like one of the most overused terms given that pretty much every team uses elements of it and a lot of people try to use it to refer to one specific variation when it's broader than that.

I don't like a spread like Oregon's for the reasons mentioned above extensively.

I love spread elements like OSU and Auburn employ for the reasons mentioned above. There's a HUGE difference.

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Tempo with power if you will, what I'd really like to see is running tempo with Jeb and Hicks in the game so you can flip between shotgun 3 wide and I without ever subbing and really frick with people.


Would be devastating. That kind of flexibility is nearly impossible to stop.
This post was edited on 1/13/15 at 10:59 am
Posted by gatorhata9
Dallas, TX
Member since Dec 2010
26174 posts
Posted on 1/13/15 at 10:54 am to
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I'm not against spread elements at all.


I'm not either. They're very effective.

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I don't like a spread like Oregon's


Ditto.

Some spread within what we run in the pro-style is exactly what I'd like to see. We've incorporated a lot of spread elements to our offense the last 3 years or so. I wouldn't want to change our identity but some change would be great, as long as we're still committed to winning the los and running the ball.
Posted by FIDO
State #8, Game Zone 1
Member since Jul 2013
16 posts
Posted on 1/13/15 at 11:04 am to
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And you realize that there's a difference in what Oregon runs and what Ohio State runs, right?

Did you watch the game? In what ways did those offenses resemble each other other than not lining up in the Power I?



I do realize there are varying forms of the spread, you were implying by your OP that a spread team lost to a pro style team.
I don't disagree that OSU was a more physical team by how they run it.

I disagree at how far apart both teams approach are. Obviously TEMPO are different, but that doesn't define an offense. One is under center more than the other, but that doesn't change most of the offense. Maybe attack points.

Here's how they are similar and like any coaching staff worth a crap they tinker and adjust to personnel on both their team and the opponent.

They both use the inside zone to set the the vert/horiz stretch of the D. They both run split zone but block it differently and use different formations. I saw both run single back power, outside zone, straight single back option using the bubble as the 3rd option and a lot of play action.

Oh yeah the passing game, very similar. Both attacking down field, running verts and slipping some Y/H underneath or out on flood. Pretty sure OSU scored once on this. The differences in the passing game are primarily how the game plan unfolds and Oregon's heavy reliance on bunched WR packages. Oregon works more horizontal early to beat you deep late. Extremely effective if they can get you on your heels pounding the ball to later start dropping bombs on you when your moral is low. OSU mixes both early.

I could go on and on but remember this about a spread offense in football. They all are modified by who is running it, either by the tempo or the formations. So just b/c someone lines up a little different or looks stronger it doesn't take away of how the plays are drawn up or classified as an offense. Just who has better players and coaching.


Posted by Porter Osborne Jr
Member since Sep 2012
39993 posts
Posted on 1/13/15 at 11:13 am to
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The thing is, Porter, is that no one is taking into account who Oregon plays. How would we have faired with their same schedule?


I know, I was hoping to shed some light on that with the SOS questions.
Posted by FIDO
State #8, Game Zone 1
Member since Jul 2013
16 posts
Posted on 1/13/15 at 11:13 am to
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I want spread elemets in the offense a kinda of melding of our offense and Oregon's. Tempo with power if you will, what I'd really like to see is running tempo with Jeb and Hicks in the game so you can flip between shotgun 3 wide and I without ever subbing and really frick with people.


That's what we got this year and it was awesome. Watching us run some I formation high tempo was nasty with our backs. We certainly mixed it well w/ single back and flexing our TE.
Posted by gatorhata9
Dallas, TX
Member since Dec 2010
26174 posts
Posted on 1/13/15 at 11:16 am to
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you were implying by your OP that a spread team lost to a pro style team


I most definitely was not.

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