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re: Predict the score of each game next year
Posted on 5/5/15 at 10:19 am to WG_Dawg
Posted on 5/5/15 at 10:19 am to WG_Dawg
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Not to mention the fact that we lose in regulation to tech if not for mason.
Maybe we beat tech handily with a better qb. If you rely on freshman running backs, you have to live with those freshman mistakes. Our offense may have been much more effective using our senior receivers against tech's weak defense. There's always an opportunity cost.
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Posted on 5/5/15 at 10:22 am to wdhalgren
I get what you're saying, I truly do. Mason wasn't really a downfield thrower, but maybe if we had a QB who could run it would have helped us more. I get it. But as a QB in Bobo's offense, we don't NEED someone to be launching bombs every possession. That's never been the case. Even with Stafford, our offense has been set up by the run and play action. It was no different with Mason. It still blows my mind he only threw 4 picks last year. That is excellent. So yes even with Ramsey I'm sure we'll throw some more long TDs. And he may make a few beauties on some out/post patterns that mason couldnt' make. But the first time he throws a pick inside of our own 30 we'll probably remember how good we had it with hutson. From what we've seen thus far from Ramsey, he has made some VERY questionable to downright bad throws.
Posted on 5/5/15 at 10:25 am to SneakyWaff1es
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I think you filed this under the wrong "needs" file. We made Connor Show look like Tom Brady, Matt Jones is still running in Jacksonville and our two outstanding freshman backs are still lamenting their fumbles with Tech. You've lost your mind if you think Mason cost us anything.
So. Auburn gave up 35 to South Carolina, but they scored 42. TAMU scored 59. Tennessee gave up 42, but they scored 45. Clemson scored 35, Vanderbilt scored 34, Kentucky scored 38. South Carolina had a bad defense, we had a bad defense. Sometimes the offense has to win games and we knew that was the case going into last year. A more talented qb makes a difference.
As for our freshman RB fumbles against tech, if Mason was a more accomplished passer we might not have depended as much on freshman RB's. Every play has an opportunity cost of the other plays that might have been called instead. We were forced into some choices that might have been called differently with a better qb.
This post was edited on 5/5/15 at 10:34 am
Posted on 5/5/15 at 10:30 am to WG_Dawg
I'm not just saying Mason wasn't a downfield passer, I'm saying that his lack of interceptions was a direct result of that. If you throw downfield, take more chances, you'll have more interceptions. But teams still do it because there are tradeoffs. An offense that doesn't take enough risk is as bad as one that takes too many. If we take more risk next year we may well end up closer to the sweet spot for our offense.
Posted on 5/5/15 at 10:33 am to wdhalgren
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A more talented qb makes a difference
We scored enough in every one of those games to win. You can't blame a QB in a game where the offense scored 35. Florida we only scored 20...but then again our defense got gashed by the same two plays over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over. And over.
You're trying to compare us to programs that Spurrier doesn't hate with every bone in his body. Georgia is his superbowl. The only team you can guarantee he will get his Cocks up for is Georgia.
Posted on 5/5/15 at 10:35 am to Dawg4Life47
This is what I want:
09/05/15 vs. Louisiana-Monroe >> 62-7 W
09/12/15 at Vanderbilt >> 38-10 W
09/19/15 vs. South Carolina >> 35-24 W
09/26/15 vs. Southern University >> 63-3 W
10/03/15 vs. Alabama >> 24-21 W
10/10/15 at Tennessee >> 31-28 W
10/17/15 vs. Missouri >> 28-14 W
10/31/15 vs. Florida >> 28-13 W
11/07/15 vs. Kentucky >> 31-17 W
11/14/15 at Auburn 34-31 W
11/21/15 vs. Georgia Southern >> 49-14 W
11/28/15 at Georgia Tech 52-24 W
SECCG vs. Auburn >> 28-24 W
And then coasting through the playoff with no one coming close to beating us.
09/05/15 vs. Louisiana-Monroe >> 62-7 W
09/12/15 at Vanderbilt >> 38-10 W
09/19/15 vs. South Carolina >> 35-24 W
09/26/15 vs. Southern University >> 63-3 W
10/03/15 vs. Alabama >> 24-21 W
10/10/15 at Tennessee >> 31-28 W
10/17/15 vs. Missouri >> 28-14 W
10/31/15 vs. Florida >> 28-13 W
11/07/15 vs. Kentucky >> 31-17 W
11/14/15 at Auburn 34-31 W
11/21/15 vs. Georgia Southern >> 49-14 W
11/28/15 at Georgia Tech 52-24 W
SECCG vs. Auburn >> 28-24 W
And then coasting through the playoff with no one coming close to beating us.
Posted on 5/5/15 at 10:36 am to SneakyWaff1es
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We scored enough in every one of those games to win.
Apparently, you aren't familiar with how the winner is determined in cfb. I suppose Auburn and Tennessee could have stopped at 35 against USCe also, just called it a day and said that's enough to win. But they didn't and they actually did win. We scored 24 against Tech, fewer than Ga. Southern, Duke, UNC, Pittsburgh, FSU, MSU. 24 wasn't enough. Against Florida, if our offense had been more effective, sustained some drives, then maybe they wouldn't have gotten 400+ yards rushing. Maybe 30 points would have won us the game.
This post was edited on 5/5/15 at 10:42 am
Posted on 5/5/15 at 10:43 am to wdhalgren
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Apparently, you aren't familiar with how the winner is determined in cfb.
I get it. You're just dead set on our losses being on Hutson. Go ahead, carry on with your Hutson hate. I would think you would like a return on the significant financial investment that is Coach Pruitt but I guess not. Maybe you should hold on to your jock strap because I doubt our offensive production will be better this year than it was last even if Stafford came back from the Lions for next season. I don't know if you paid much attention but the Rams didn't exactly set the NFL ablaze with it's high scoring, innovative offense last year.
Posted on 5/5/15 at 10:52 am to SneakyWaff1es
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I get it. You're just dead set on our losses being on Hutson. Go ahead, carry on with your Hutson hate.
You don't get it at all. Mason was what he was, I don't blame him for anything. Mason did what he did well, but it was all that he could do, and was not the best we can hope for or expect in the future. I'm saying that there is no reason our offense can't be better next year with Ramsey or Bauta.
This post was edited on 5/5/15 at 10:55 am
Posted on 5/5/15 at 10:55 am to wdhalgren
quote:Using that logic, anytime a team loses its always the QBs fault because if they would've just scored more points than the other team then they would've won. Sometimes the offense does its part and either defense or special teams doesn't hold up their end. And vice versa.
Apparently, you aren't familiar with how the winner is determined in cfb.
quote:The way we were tackling and "containing", it wouldn't have changed the outcome. When a shitty offense runs for 400+ on you, your QB is the last man to blame. And Andrews getting hurt and having Long come in had much much more to do with our struggles on offense vs UF than anything Mason did.
Against Florida, if our offense had been more effective, sustained some drives, then maybe they wouldn't have gotten 400+ yards rushing. Maybe 30 points would have won us the game.
We let a walk on grocery bagger run for a TD on a fake FG in that game, just let that sink in.
Posted on 5/5/15 at 10:57 am to wdhalgren
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Mason did what he did well, but it was all the could do, and was not the best we can hope for or expect in the future.
No one is arguing that. We had three young men that were probably more talented than Hutson was on the roster last year, that doesn't mean they were a better option. You implied Hutson was the reason we lost games - he wasn't.
Posted on 5/5/15 at 11:01 am to wdhalgren
quote:I think just about everyone would agree with you on this. And yea, I definitely hope for more in the future, but I still think Mason's game completented the rest of our team well given what we had to work with. Would I have rather had Murray taking snaps? Absolutely, but that's not how the roster was.
Mason was what he was, I don't blame him for anything. Mason did what he did well, but it was all that he could do, and was not the best we can hope for or expect in the future.
quote:It certainly could be better, I agree. But there are also a lot of reasons it could be worse, the part that has me most concerned is the turnover ratio. But on the other hand, any ability to stretch the field (it'll be nice actually having healthy WRs if we do, Mason didn't have much to work with at all) would help a lot. I just fall into the camp of trusting the coaches to play the QB that gives the team the best chance to win, they know it a hell of a lot better than I do (and they have much more at stake).
I'm saying that there is no reason our offense can't be better next year with Ramsey or Bauta.
This post was edited on 5/5/15 at 11:02 am
Posted on 5/5/15 at 11:01 am to SneakyWaff1es
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You implied Hutson was the reason we lost games - he wasn't.
I didn't imply it, I specifically said that if he was a more effective downfield passer, our offense would have been more effective. It's not a controversial statement IMO. That's why pro-style offenses place a premium on passing quarterbacks. They make a big difference in game outcomes.
This post was edited on 5/5/15 at 11:04 am
Posted on 5/5/15 at 11:09 am to wdhalgren
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I didn't imply it
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Well, I disagree. We needed more in the South Carolina game, the Florida game, and the Tech game, as well as the Tennessee game where he played horrible and we almost lost.
Posted on 5/5/15 at 11:11 am to TMDawg
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Using that logic, anytime a team loses its always the QBs fault because if they would've just scored more points than the other team then they would've won. Sometimes the offense does its part and either defense or special teams doesn't hold up their end. And vice versa.
Sorry, that was not the logic I used. I said a specific qb, HM lacked the tools to maximize our offensive potential in some situations. That's not the same as saying every qb lacks the skills to maximize his team's offensive potential in every situation.
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The way we were tackling and "containing", it wouldn't have changed the outcome. When a shitty offense runs for 400+ on you, your QB is the last man to blame.
Every game is an interplay between offense and defense. If your offense is dominant, it helps your defense. Once again, I'm not "blaming" Mason for the loss, just pointing out that his limited skillset was a contributor in that loss.
This post was edited on 5/5/15 at 11:12 am
Posted on 5/5/15 at 11:14 am to SneakyWaff1es
Like I said, I didn't imply it. I specifically stated that his skillset was suboptimal and contributed to our losses. I don't even think it's debatable.
Would it make you happy if I say our defense contributed to those losses too? Sure, that is also not debateable, football is a team game, and I pointed out that our defense would need a lot of help very early last season. That's not mutually exclusive with the viewpoint that Mason was a factor.
Would it make you happy if I say our defense contributed to those losses too? Sure, that is also not debateable, football is a team game, and I pointed out that our defense would need a lot of help very early last season. That's not mutually exclusive with the viewpoint that Mason was a factor.
This post was edited on 5/5/15 at 11:22 am
Posted on 5/5/15 at 11:31 am to wdhalgren
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Like I said, I didn't imply it.
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I specifically stated that his skillset was suboptimal and contributed to our losses.
What?
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our defense contributed to those losses too?
Yeah because that's a true statement. So is poor offensive line play after Andrews' injury in the Florida game.
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