re: Post on Auburn Penitentiary Board

Welcome to Moral "U". Might as well just throw in the towel since it's not about winning.

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What are unethical means? I'd rather not win a title with a team full of serial killers and rapists. That would be unethical in my eyes

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This. If we're kicking kids off for doing the things that EVERY normal kid on campus is doing, and kids are doing at every college in America, who cares? If they go downtown, smoke a few blunts, whatever..who cares?

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I don't think it's unethical to pay football players because 1) that's how the game is played, and 2) I think really good players deserve the chance to cash in on their market value. Therefore, I don't care if we "buy" a championship.

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I'm half and half on this. Ultimately I do NOT think payers should be paid. However, it's been going on since the 70s if not even earlier. Everyone else does it, so we might as well too. If every team winning titles is paying people and we don't, all we're doing is putting ourselves even farther behind the curve. If I had to dream up a perfect scenario, ideally I would wish that NO teams did ANY underhanded stuff like that. But, this is reality, and all the big teams DO do that. So we might as well do it too.

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I am. But was was 6 when they won their World Series not a lot of great memories of partying and rioting in the streets

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To me, it's interesting to see the division on this issue. It seems like older fans who have seen UGA win a title are more in line with the "let's do it the right way" idea (which is funny because the 1980 championship team isn't without some stories of impropriety).

The younger fans like myself are more just like "frick it, let's just win the damn thing."

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Exactly this. It's the older folks mostly saying that because they've already seen one so they have that experience already. If you had some 50 and 60 year olds on here who had never witnessed winning a title before in their life, I betcha they'd be singing a slightly different tune.

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I'm probably the exception, then. I wasn't born until '83, so I've never seen them win it all. I still don't want a MNC through cheating or unethical means. It would cheapen the championship for me. It would be like Barry Bonds' home run record.

I'd rather us win the crystal (or whatever new trophy they come up with) with a clear conscience, which we are capable of doing.

Cheating or being unethical won't guarantee a championship, but we are still capable of winning one without doing those things. I honestly don't care what other teams are doing in that regard. The actions of others don't change the morals or character of myself. And I would like to remain proud to associate with my alma mater, since UGA is more than just a football program.

The fact that you think you'd be OK with winning by cheating or unethical behavior if you did it says a lot. No wonder you wouldn't care if others do it.

Honor seems to be in short supply these days.

I don't think it's dishonorable because I believe players should be paid, but that's another issue.

It really is another issue. I don't think payers should be given additional compensation above what they are currently getting for doing what they are doing, except maybe access to earn money from their own celebrity off of the field.

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Yeah it looks like there's a handful of them who don't GAS about "ethics" and just want to win a title, and then some other looney tunes who think that morals and a clean reputation is above everything else and would be happy going 7-5 every year as long as they do it the right way. That kind of thinking is crazy to me.

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From the Auburn board. From the sounds of it Trey had correctable issues. I blame him for being a spoiled player but the coaches aren't completely out of the water either. I think Grantham really fricked with the mentality of the team.

You are probably right WG. I am 44 and do recall pretty well the 80-83 run. Commemorative Coke bottles, shirts, hats, blankets, bumper stickers,etc. were all over our house.

I still think it has more to do with aging and life experience stuff that re-set ones priorities. I really have no room to question anyone as I was more "win at almost all costs" up until about 10 years ago. It started to subside as my family grew (4 kids now aged 3-14) and my energy,efforts and passions were pulled in what seemed to be 100 directions. Winning a national title is rather low on my "must have" list now than it was when I was 24-34.

The biggest re-set for me came in 2011 when I battled stage IV Lymphoma . After beating it back, it relapsed in 2012 and I was given a 40% chance of survival. Fortunately, after 70+ days of inpatient treatment including aggressive chemo,massive radiation and a stem cell transplant, I beat the odds again and have been clear since Feb. 2013.

You can probably see where my thinking on the matter changed from "must have" at age 33, to "would be nice" at age 40 to "only under above board policies" now. It just changed as my my life evolved and it continued to fall down the ladder of importance to me to where it will only mean something wonderful to me if we accomplish it a certain way. When I say I am not impressed with certain other programs titles it is due to being dis-enchanted with the entire corrupt system and the NCAA in General. In a way, I want the ultimate satisfaction of winning it in spite of the status quo.

Just want to apologize for judging you or others based on my own personal desires based on my on unique life experience. I do see and understand your feelings on the matter as I was there not to long ago.

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I'm not on the tour, so I do that. I've never played golf in a real tournament, competition, for money, etc. I've been playing golf for about 15 years and every round I've ever played has been with either family members or just having fun with buddies. If I bring my ball up from being firmly indented into the earth in a patch of rough and set it up on the top of the grass blades, I don't really think that's a big deal.

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