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NASCAR IS DEAD
Posted on 7/5/15 at 8:03 pm
Posted on 7/5/15 at 8:03 pm
NASCAR may ban Confederate flags at tracks. NBC has already screwed up the Firecracker 400 by moving it to Sunday night, and it will likely get rained out. Will they show it Monday morning and interrupt all their precious soap operas? That will piss off all the grannies at the nursing homes.
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Posted on 7/5/15 at 8:09 pm to AlaCowboy
The Firecracker 400 should have been ran yesterday at 11:00am the way God and Bill France intended.
Posted on 7/5/15 at 8:18 pm to djrichiep
Amen.
Posted on 7/5/15 at 9:37 pm to AlaCowboy
Didn't know it was ever alive 
Posted on 7/6/15 at 12:49 am to Litigator
I saw that. I am a born and bred Southerner but I have never had a Confederate flag in my life. But I bought one last week and put it out front next to my American flag. Granted my house is about 1500 ft from the road, but at least I know I have it.
American Flag and Banner in Huntsville has hired 11 people due to orders for their Confederate battle flags. They make them on site. They used to sell 2-3 a week but have orders for more than 2,000. Backlog is 2 weeks.
American Flag and Banner in Huntsville has hired 11 people due to orders for their Confederate battle flags. They make them on site. They used to sell 2-3 a week but have orders for more than 2,000. Backlog is 2 weeks.
Posted on 7/6/15 at 6:59 am to AlaCowboy
Of course... Because this is Alabama you are talking about
Posted on 7/6/15 at 7:35 am to AlaCowboy
I hope those 11 people have alternate plans for employment in 3 months.
Posted on 7/6/15 at 9:38 am to FooManChoo
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NASCAR IS DEAD
Didn't know it was ever alive
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Posted on 7/6/15 at 9:57 am to Hobnail
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Of course... Because this is Alabama you are talking about
I lived 35 years in the Atlanta area. Here is better than there. Outside Atlanta the rest of Georgia is like an emerging nation. And Atlanta is like a war zone.
I can go to the mall or downtown day or night without wondering if I'll get robbed or murdered.
Posted on 7/6/15 at 10:09 am to AlaCowboy
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But I bought one last week and put it out front next to my American flag
This practice has always confused me. How can both flags be honorable? Wouldn't one, by definition, have to represent something wrong?
JeffersonDawg has articulated his views on the nobility of the confederacy well on here lately. I don't completely agree with it all, but it's intellectually consistent. The view that both the flag of the USA and CSA should be celebrated makes no sense to me.
Posted on 7/6/15 at 10:22 am to Dawg in Beaumont
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. How can both flags be honorable? Wouldn't one, by definition, have to represent something wrong?
3 of my ancestors fought in the War Between The States. None owned slaves. They fought for the right of the individual states to control their destiny. The states each joined the United States voluntarily after a vote of their citizens. Why did they not have the right to vote to leave?
By the way. One great-great uncle left Georgia and went north and fought for the union army. If I can honor him and others with the American flag, why can't I honor his brother and father and others with the Confederate flag?
Personally, I think the battle flag should not be on government grounds, but private grounds is different.
Posted on 7/6/15 at 10:27 am to AlaCowboy
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And Atlanta is like a war zone.
No it's not. I'm downtown everyday, never once have I seen a shot fired or any tanks rolling in.
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Posted on 7/6/15 at 10:31 am to Dawg in Beaumont
Many of those who faught in the Civil War were grand kids of those who fought in the Rev War. It was treason to the Brits, but the instigators are all US heros now.
My contention is most Southerners didnt see it as treason, they saw it as a simlar act to what their Patriot grand parents did. At the end of the day, that war was about rich Northerners and rich Southerners with a bunch or poopr people sent out to do their bidings. The Southern men who went to war did so because they thought they were fighting for their State and homeland. Some were just plain conscripted.
In any case, I do not see it as treason or anti US. It was a lot more complicated. Slavery wasn't going to last much longer ion any case. Technology would have taken care of that . Slaves were not cheap to own or buy. IF the South were to have won a peace, the sides would have come back to the table. There was too much money in it not to.
As far as the VA Battle Flag. It WAS reintroduced on a state level in Southern states as a big frick you to integration efforts. It wasn't even the CSA flag... If you think it is a statement of Southern pride, then more power to you. The smart person would show their Souther Pride with one of the other flags that actually flew over the Capital in Montgomery. Few know what the frick they mean and there is no stigma attached to you by showing your Southern Pride by flying a flag that was repurposed by both State Govts and White Power groups for a slightly different purpose....
My contention is most Southerners didnt see it as treason, they saw it as a simlar act to what their Patriot grand parents did. At the end of the day, that war was about rich Northerners and rich Southerners with a bunch or poopr people sent out to do their bidings. The Southern men who went to war did so because they thought they were fighting for their State and homeland. Some were just plain conscripted.
In any case, I do not see it as treason or anti US. It was a lot more complicated. Slavery wasn't going to last much longer ion any case. Technology would have taken care of that . Slaves were not cheap to own or buy. IF the South were to have won a peace, the sides would have come back to the table. There was too much money in it not to.
As far as the VA Battle Flag. It WAS reintroduced on a state level in Southern states as a big frick you to integration efforts. It wasn't even the CSA flag... If you think it is a statement of Southern pride, then more power to you. The smart person would show their Souther Pride with one of the other flags that actually flew over the Capital in Montgomery. Few know what the frick they mean and there is no stigma attached to you by showing your Southern Pride by flying a flag that was repurposed by both State Govts and White Power groups for a slightly different purpose....
Posted on 7/6/15 at 10:31 am to AlaCowboy
You completely misunderstood me. I think you, and anybody should be able to fly any flag under the sun. It's ultimately just cloth.
I also don't think your ancestors were wrong to vote to leave. The disconnect comes into play when you consider that the entity that prevented them from leaving is also represented on one of your flags. As best as I can understand they can't both be honorable.
Again, this isn't about slavery, the right fly flags or any of that. It's a logic disconnect I have when people tell me they enjoy flying the U.S. And CSA flags. That's all, not saying you're a bad person for it.
I also don't think your ancestors were wrong to vote to leave. The disconnect comes into play when you consider that the entity that prevented them from leaving is also represented on one of your flags. As best as I can understand they can't both be honorable.
Again, this isn't about slavery, the right fly flags or any of that. It's a logic disconnect I have when people tell me they enjoy flying the U.S. And CSA flags. That's all, not saying you're a bad person for it.
Posted on 7/6/15 at 10:40 am to AlaCowboy
Do you even Savannah?
Posted on 7/6/15 at 12:51 pm to td01241
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Do you even Savannah?
Are you asking if I have been to Savannah? Yes, I took my wife there many times. And we spent our honeymoon at the Savannah Inn and Country Club. Also took my Sweetheart there 2 years ago to enjoy the town. What's your point?
Posted on 7/6/15 at 12:56 pm to Dawg in Beaumont
I think the decision for the states to leave was based on some sound, and some unsound, principles. The decision for the United States to go to war and invade a sovereign nation to force them back into the union was made on some sound, and some unsound, reasons.
I don't honor the reasons for the secession, but the soldiers on both sides that fought for their principles.
I don't honor the reasons for the secession, but the soldiers on both sides that fought for their principles.
Posted on 7/6/15 at 12:57 pm to AlaCowboy
Then why not honor them by flying a flag they fought for?
Posted on 7/6/15 at 1:50 pm to Peter Buck
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As far as the VA Battle Flag. It WAS reintroduced on a state level in Southern states as a big frick you to integration efforts. It wasn't even the CSA flag... If you think it is a statement of Southern pride, then more power to you. The smart person would show their Souther Pride with one of the other flags that actually flew over the Capital in Montgomery. Few know what the frick they mean and there is no stigma attached to you by showing your Southern Pride by flying a flag that was repurposed by both State Govts and White Power groups for a slightly different purpose....
this is how I see it as well. It would be similar to me flying a swastika flag because it is a symbol of good fortune in Hinduism. Yeah, that's technically true, but it is also a symbol of hatred and there is no getting around it.
Don't mistake this response for me caring about what flags anyone wants to fly. I'm just saying, don't act surprised when you look like a racist while flying it.
You have the right to fly whatever flag you want. Everyone else has the right to think you're a racist for doing so. It is the beauty of America.
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