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re: Let's talk realistic scenarios...

Posted on 11/22/15 at 2:11 pm to
Posted by DawgsLife
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Posted on 11/22/15 at 2:11 pm to
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Even last night, we opened the first quarter with a great drive, defensive stop, drive, then fumble. We just can't overcome any type of adversity. Had Mitchell not fumbled the ball, we may win by 14.


WAY too many fumbles by our big play makers. McKenzie, in particular. To be successful we have to get him the football, and he does not protect the football.
Posted by DawgsLife
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Posted on 11/22/15 at 2:17 pm to
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You mean when SC prison-raped him


Yes. We got down early and couldn't recover. Look what happened to LSU yesterday. Ole Miss is not THAT much better than LSU if they are better. It just happens sometimes.

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and he barely beat Tennessee and Kentucky?


Again, we can point to several teams that have done the same. Does the Arkansas game last year tell us Alabama was not a good team? Look at the body of work. We took Alabama down to the wire. We lost two straight games and kept our composure to reel off 10 or so straight wins. He may not have been impressive to you, but when he held the team together after the Boise game and SC game....they could have folded up and a LOT of teams would have.

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Already done it. I can live with down years so long as there is a clear intent to improve - some hires just don't work out, for whatever reason.


This is true, and reasonable. I understand why people want a change. I just want people to fully understand what they are wanting and will probably get. But, who knows? Maybe we will beat the odss and take off and have some great years. I hope that's the case.

Gotta run! I enjoyed the conversation. You guys made some legitimate points. I respect that we were able to do it politely.
This post was edited on 11/22/15 at 2:19 pm
Posted by TMDawg
Member since Nov 2012
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Posted on 11/22/15 at 2:18 pm to
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Certainly a problem...but keep in mind that a large part of THAT problem came from players getting kicked off the team....and I can't honestly think of one that got kicked off that didn't deserve it.
A lot started before they even got on campus though. Signing 21 in 2009 and 19 in 2010 for instance. Players that would've been juniors and seniors in 2012.

And plenty of years there have been a handful that never even made it to campus. That's a big part of why the 2013 class has been a complete disaster when we really really needed an infusion of talent.
Posted by VoxDawg
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Posted on 11/22/15 at 2:36 pm to
Southern Cal got busted for boosters buying their Heisman RB's parents a house and they still had more players on scholarship during the NCAA probation period than UGA. CMR has been woefully inadequate in roster management, clock management and maybe most importantly, properly preparing/motivating the players for big games.

That's unacceptable for a 15 year HC veteran who makes $11,000 per day.
Posted by Dick Leverage
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Member since Nov 2013
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Posted on 11/22/15 at 2:37 pm to
That 15 million is not lump sum. It is spread over 8 years. A touch under 2 million a year. The 2 million owed to the assistants who are not retained would be lump sum.
Posted by retooc
Freeport, FL
Member since Sep 2012
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Posted on 11/22/15 at 2:43 pm to
Sarcasm?

Me..yes
You..not sure

Posted by RD Dawg
Atlanta
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Posted on 11/22/15 at 2:45 pm to
Let's not forget McGarity's role with the roster mgt issues.He publically stated UGA wouldn't oversign. And at the time Saban and Bama was getting all sorts of bad publicity for what they were doing.Combined that with our disciplinary procedures and it ended up being a recipe for disaster.

I think it started out as a PR move but ended up being an incredibley niave and stupid policy decision.
Posted by TMDawg
Member since Nov 2012
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Posted on 11/22/15 at 2:51 pm to
I agree that some of it has likely come from above Richt as well but McGarity was named AD after those classes I mentioned were already on campus.

And it's not that we weren't oversigning, we weren't even coming close to signing the number of players we were allowed to.

But yea, definitely a disastrous approach.
Posted by RD Dawg
Atlanta
Member since Sep 2012
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Posted on 11/22/15 at 2:59 pm to
No doubt Adams played a big part in it as well.I would like to see our numbers from 2001 to '07.Don't believe it was much of an issue in those days and of course everything changed when Saban started to do what he did and we just recently started to play catch up with Bama and almost every one of our rivals.
Posted by TMDawg
Member since Nov 2012
5374 posts
Posted on 11/22/15 at 3:07 pm to
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everything changed when Saban started to do what he did
Yea I definitely think there was a combination of not wanting to go that route as well as thinking we didn't have to change/weren't able to be forward thinking enough.
Posted by Whiznot
Albany, GA
Member since Oct 2013
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Posted on 11/22/15 at 3:35 pm to
Right now the Georgia coaching situation is unstable. We don't know what is going to happen and, more importantly, recruits don't know what is going to happen. Recruits who are planning to enroll early can't be sure that Richt won't be fired after enrollment.

If a coaching change is going to be made it needs to happen quickly.
Posted by DawgsLife
Member since Jun 2013
58905 posts
Posted on 11/22/15 at 4:03 pm to
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That 15 million is not lump sum. It is spread over 8 years. A touch under 2 million a year. The 2 million owed to the assistants who are not retained would be lump sum.


There you go. So the buyout might not be as big of a deal as many LSU fans have led us to believe. I think Miles is gone...but if he loses to A&M Saturda (or is it Thursday?) I think he will definitely be gone.
Posted by DawgsLife
Member since Jun 2013
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Posted on 11/22/15 at 4:07 pm to
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If a coaching change is going to be made it needs to happen quickly.


I wouldn't expect it to happen before the Bowl game. And if we win 10 games I wouldn't expect it to happen at all. UGA simply will not fire a coach after a 10 win season. Now if Tech were to beat us, and we lost the Bowl game....they might pull the trigger.
Posted by runningdog
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Posted on 11/22/15 at 4:31 pm to
I question whether Richt can continue to make his offense work in an era of 3 and out. I played defense as a kid so I admit I'm not well versed on the level of complexity of Richt's offense. From what I've read it appears to take QB's several years to master the offense. The RB's and WR's need at least a year to learn the blocking schemes. I can't speak to the O line. If this is true, then I question Richt's failure to over sign key positions and his decision to stick with an 90's era offense when stars, such as Moreno, Gurley and Stafford, routinely leave after three years. I think it puts too much pressure on the staff from a recruiting standpoint.
This post was edited on 11/22/15 at 4:33 pm
Posted by JCdawg
Member since Sep 2014
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Posted on 11/22/15 at 4:32 pm to
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I wouldn't expect it to happen before the Bowl game. And if we win 10 games I wouldn't expect it to happen at all. UGA simply will not fire a coach after a 10 win season. Now if Tech were to beat us, and we lost the Bowl game....they might pull the trigger.


Side note, if we walk into a bowl at 9-3 we are going to have a quality opponent and likely get beaten badly. I hope I'm wrong.
Posted by Whiznot
Albany, GA
Member since Oct 2013
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Posted on 11/22/15 at 4:45 pm to
I've never bought the idea that it takes years to learn an offense. If an offense can't be learned by a QB over the course of one Spring and one Fall, that offense is bad. Football shouldn't be rocket science. College careers are too short for that kind of nonsense.
Posted by dcbl
Good guys wear white hats.
Member since Sep 2013
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Posted on 11/22/15 at 8:01 pm to
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Add to that, that I think Les Miles is gone at LSU and now we are at #3 behind USCw and LSU....at BEST


no

UGA is a better destination job than LSU, and arguably, as good or better than SC

LSU - we play in an easier division, the talent pool in GA is a little stronger and we have demonstrated that we have patience and won't run a guy off for no damn good reason

LSU has had recent success, sure, but to say that it is a better or more desirable job is patently untrue

SC - truth is, SC is probably the best job in the country, and that include AL, ND, TX - you name it. BUT - we are in the Southeast, there are coaching candidates that we won't or can't get because of that, and there are guys out there that just don't want to live on the Left coast.

SC is the number one job, we would be 1.a at minimum

the only thing that changes that is if TX gets in coaching search mode.
Posted by JimDawginTexas
Member since Sep 2012
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Posted on 11/22/15 at 8:55 pm to
This
Posted by DawgsLife
Member since Jun 2013
58905 posts
Posted on 11/23/15 at 10:49 am to
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I played defense as a kid so I admit I'm not well versed on the level of complexity of Richt's offense. From what I've read it appears to take QB's several years to master the offense.


The passing game is what I am more familiar with, so I will address it. In high school (Typically) a play is called and that play dictates the route the receivers run. They pretty much stick with the assigned route, but, obviously can break the route off if it is covered. The receiver should be aware of what the other receivers are running, so as not to poach on their assigned routes territory.

When you get to college everything changes. A play might be called, but the receivers (and the QB) is now reading the defensive backs. Depending on how a DB lines up....or breaks at the sanp of the ball (Showing he has either short or long coverage..inside or outside) the receiver will adjust his route. It is up to the QB to make the same read, so he throws the ball to the spot the receiver breaks to. (it's been quite awhile since I played, so things may have changed, particularly on the high school level) It can be pretty in depth and get complicated...but that is one reason you might see a QB throw the ball to a spot and there isn't a receiver anywhere near the spot. They both read the defense differently.

I don't think there is any problem with the offensive scheme Georgia runs. I know a lot of people want a wide open spread type of offense, but that is just the flavor of the day. It was the wishbone, for awhile, veer, etc.

Shoot, when I was in high school, I even played against a team that ran the Notre dame box. Talk about funky looking!
Posted by DawgsLife
Member since Jun 2013
58905 posts
Posted on 11/23/15 at 10:51 am to
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Side note, if we walk into a bowl at 9-3 we are going to have a quality opponent and likely get beaten badly. I hope I'm wrong.


It's a very real possibility. With Bowl games it is always hard to tell, because there is so much time to prepare. It could go either way...but your scenario would be the most likely.
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