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re: Let's talk realistic scenarios...

Posted on 11/22/15 at 12:58 pm to
Posted by DawgsLife
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Posted on 11/22/15 at 12:58 pm to
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I never said the players chose anyone


You certainly insinuated it. You DID say, did you see who the players huddled up around while Richt was looking for the water girl.

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Mark Richt needs to be in the middle of that huddle, he's the CEO of the company.


Why? You must be awfully young if you think the players really care who is saying, "Let's go get 'em, guys!"

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Do I need to spell it out for you?


No, but apparently I have to spell it out for you.

Y-O-U D-O-N-'-T K-N-O-W W-H-A-T Y-O-U A-R-E T-A-L-K-I-N-G A-B-O-U-T.
Posted by DawgsLife
Member since Jun 2013
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Posted on 11/22/15 at 1:03 pm to
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Something about preparation meeting opportunity comes to mind


I honestly don't think preparation is the problem. I think they are [prepared, but the players are taking the other teams lightly. Don't get me wrong, I realize that is part of the Head Coaches job, to get his players heads on straight. But it is a VERY difficult thing to do. When you KNOW you are (or should be) heads and shoulders better than the other team, it is hard to take the game seriously....from a players stand point. It doesn't matter how many times you might get bitten by a lackadaisical attitude, you think it won't happen to you.

(And, I don't think you would necessarily be wrong to argue that taking the other team seriously is a part of preparation) When I played I KNEW when the coaches felt we had this game locked up...no matter what they did or said, you just know it.
Posted by germandawg
Member since Sep 2012
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Posted on 11/22/15 at 1:11 pm to
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Don't worry, the IPF is on its way.

Game changer



GA Sou must have a pretty decent indoor practice facility as they just tied us in a normal 60 minute football game....
Posted by hangingdawg
Member since Jul 2015
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Posted on 11/22/15 at 1:13 pm to
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Mark Richt needs to be in the middle of that huddle, he's the CEO of the company. There were two different shots of Richt prior to OT, at the Gatorade cooler and working on his headset. He's the head coach, not Pruitt.


Have you actually attended any games? CMR has plenty of input with his coaches and players. As a CEO he tries to let the Coordinators do the job they were hired to do: Make sure the players all know their assignments.
Posted by germandawg
Member since Sep 2012
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Posted on 11/22/15 at 1:15 pm to
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Pruitt leaves and this program is toast..his defenses are pretty good, good enough to win the SEC East..




We gave looked pretty good on defense but have we played a good offensive football team? Alabama or UT were the best and neither is exactly setting the world on fire offensively (there is no way that Ga Sou should be on the same level as UGA). I am not sure that Baylor or TCU or any big 12 or PAC 10 teams almost don't put 50 on our vaunted defense. They are young, I will grant that...and that have looked very good against the offenses they have faced....but they gave away the UT game on two 4th down plays in the first half.....
Posted by SquatchDawg
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Posted on 11/22/15 at 1:23 pm to
It definitely arguable as to whether our defense is truly any good....but in a season full of disappointments it's about the only positive. That's why I don't know if the CMR era could survive Pruitt leaving. Especially with Schotty being pretty much universally hated.

Who could replace Pruitt that people would feel good about? And, if you have to replace the DC and possibly OC...why not can Richt and start from scratch?

If Pruitt left maybe a Kirby Smart Asst Head Coach/DC type deal? I'm not sure how you get anyone decent to take the job without something like that...
This post was edited on 11/22/15 at 1:24 pm
Posted by RD Dawg
Atlanta
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Posted on 11/22/15 at 1:37 pm to
Take it for what it's worth but a pretty well connected and ex UGA player I know told me Tracy Rocker along wkth Schotty are gone after this season.Said Rocker will take a DC posistion somewhere else (didn't name the school)

Didn't say anything about Pruitt.
This post was edited on 11/22/15 at 1:47 pm
Posted by SquatchDawg
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Posted on 11/22/15 at 1:39 pm to
That actually has possibilities...I wonder if Rocker would take the DC spot here if Pruitt left?
Posted by FaCubeItches
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Member since Sep 2012
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Posted on 11/22/15 at 1:43 pm to
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Maybe some of us remember what happened to Alabama, Texas, Notre Dame, Florida, Tennessee, Southern Cal, UCLA, Michigan, etc.....


And most of those schools, when they made mistakes in hiring, got rid of the guy and tried again. Most of the schools you listed are either steadily improving or doing quite well. They don't put sour milk back in the fridge hoping that it will be fresh tomorrow.
Posted by FaCubeItches
Soviet Monica, People's Republic CA
Member since Sep 2012
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Posted on 11/22/15 at 1:44 pm to
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What is Miles getting? All they have to do is offer that.


That presupposes that they are capable of offering that. They very well might not be.
Posted by TMDawg
Member since Nov 2012
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Posted on 11/22/15 at 1:47 pm to
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And, I don't think you would necessarily be wrong to argue that taking the other team seriously is a part of preparation
That's part of what I'm referring to. It's not just teams we should beat easily either, there's quotes from players that highlight that problem (most notably Theus being surprised Auburn showed up with energy and speed in the 2013 game when they were in the hunt for the West).

Also from a preparation standpoint I'm referring to the years of roster mismanagement. Going into 2012 we had 68 recruited scholarship players on the roster. That's equivalent to a 20% self imposed scholarship reduction. Sure would've helped to have more DL late in that season, especially in the dome. Those types of issues are only now being addressed despite being problems for many many years.

Basically, I mean that I think the lack of preparation has been on a global scale (program management) to even more of an extent than a micro scale (individual gameplans/player preparation) if that makes sense.
This post was edited on 11/22/15 at 1:49 pm
Posted by DawgsLife
Member since Jun 2013
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Posted on 11/22/15 at 1:52 pm to
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And, if you have to replace the DC and possibly OC...why not can Richt and start from scratch?


If you get rid of the OC and DC, you might as well go ahead and get rid of Richt. You will not bring in two new coordinators, then fire your HC the next season. You do that and the new HC will want to bring in his own people, in all likelihood. Not to mention, if you get rid of the OC and DC you will DEFINITELY lose a ton of recruits. A lot of them have relationships with the coordinators that are just as important as the relationship with the HC. It's a tricky situation that you have to be very, very careful with. You can do some good with the right changes, or you can do many years of damage if not handled correctly. You want to know how good the AD is? Watch how he handles this off season. This off season is pivotal for the program.
Posted by RD Dawg
Atlanta
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Posted on 11/22/15 at 1:53 pm to
Also said a couple of other asst coaches won't be back but didn't name them.

With all these HC positions now open it'll make for a very interesting December and January.
Posted by DawgsLife
Member since Jun 2013
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Posted on 11/22/15 at 1:54 pm to
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That presupposes that they are capable of offering that. They very well might not be.


If they are giving that to Miles, they can give it to someone else, IF they want to. Again....my opinion, and my opinions have been known to be wrong.
Posted by DawgsLife
Member since Jun 2013
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Posted on 11/22/15 at 1:59 pm to
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And most of those schools, when they made mistakes in hiring, got rid of the guy and tried again. Most of the schools you listed are either steadily improving or doing quite well. They don't put sour milk back in the fridge hoping that it will be fresh tomorrow.


True...but I think he is actually asking...are you willing to go 10 years or so of 6-6 records or worse until you find a good coach? Check those schools and most, if not all went that long without doing a whole lot. I think Alabama had sporadic success, but that's about it. 10 years is a long, long time. If you are frustrated with Richt after what he did in 2012, how will you feel after 10 years of TRUE mediocrity, or worse?
Posted by JCdawg
Member since Sep 2014
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Posted on 11/22/15 at 2:04 pm to
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Also said a couple of other asst coaches won't be back but didn't name them.

With all these HC positions now open it'll make for a very interesting December and January.




Hopefully Pruitt does stay.
Posted by DawgsLife
Member since Jun 2013
58902 posts
Posted on 11/22/15 at 2:05 pm to
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Going into 2012 we had 68 recruited scholarship players on the roster.


Certainly a problem...but keep in mind that a large part of THAT problem came from players getting kicked off the team....and I can't honestly think of one that got kicked off that didn't deserve it.


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Basically, I mean that I think the lack of preparation has been on a global scale (program management) to even more of an extent than a micro scale (individual gameplans/player preparation) if that makes sense.


For me, Richt's biggest shortcoming has been motivating the players....so I agree with what you are saying. Not so much about gameplans, but a lack of motivation and an inability to adjust. It became glaring for me when Chubb went down. It seemed we could not adjust at all. We still run Michel up the middle more than I would like.
Posted by JCdawg
Member since Sep 2014
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Posted on 11/22/15 at 2:07 pm to
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It became glaring for me when Chubb went down. It seemed we could not adjust at all. We still run Michel up the middle more than I would like.




Even last night, we opened the first quarter with a great drive, defensive stop, drive, then fumble. We just can't overcome any type of adversity. Had Mitchell not fumbled the ball, we may win by 14.
Posted by FaCubeItches
Soviet Monica, People's Republic CA
Member since Sep 2012
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Posted on 11/22/15 at 2:08 pm to
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If you are frustrated with Richt after what he did in 2012


You mean when SC prison-raped him, and he barely beat Tennessee and Kentucky? Everybody coulda-woulda-shoulda, change-one-play's the Bama game to give him a Title, but he wasn't overly impressive that year.

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how will you feel after 10 years of TRUE mediocrity, or worse?


Already done it. I can live with down years so long as there is a clear intent to improve - some hires just don't work out, for whatever reason.
Posted by DawgsLife
Member since Jun 2013
58902 posts
Posted on 11/22/15 at 2:10 pm to
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With all these HC positions now open it'll make for a very interesting December and January.


I fully expect to see LSU, USCw, MAYBE Texas, USCe and some others to be looking for HC this off season. I'm sure I am forgetting somebody. Then you can add Houston and Memphis as their coaches will step into one of those programs. (These are guesses, and I think Strong gets another year at Texas...but his time is running very, very short there. LSU will take a run at Fisher, but won't get him and will turn their attention towards Herman of Houston. He brings recruiting contacts out of Texas. Again...all guesses and speculation on my part.
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