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re: Jury stuck @ 5-1 in favor of aquittal per Zimmerman friend on Fox

Posted on 7/14/13 at 10:46 pm to
Posted by Porter Osborne Jr
Member since Sep 2012
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Posted on 7/14/13 at 10:46 pm to
While deeprig is being prick trolling you he does have a point that if it was a white kid that wss killed by GZ no one outside of that town would know.
Posted by RDDAWG
Member since Oct 2012
1010 posts
Posted on 7/14/13 at 10:52 pm to
You are a dumb arse. You can't even answer my question with any logic whatsoever, only insults. Smh....
Posted by Hell'sBelle
In Your Computer
Member since Sep 2012
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Posted on 7/14/13 at 11:03 pm to
This guy always posts a video on YouTube.

LINK
Posted by VADawg
Wherever
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Posted on 7/14/13 at 11:22 pm to
Honestly, what did you want Zimmerman to do? Sit there, take it, and let himself possibly get killed?

How would you have reacted if Zimmerman were black and Martin was Hispanic?
This post was edited on 7/14/13 at 11:43 pm
Posted by RDDAWG
Member since Oct 2012
1010 posts
Posted on 7/14/13 at 11:58 pm to
That actually was pretty good, he's misguided on a few points in his rant, but I get the gist. "Conclave of minstrels"...
Posted by Glory, Glory
Pawleys Island, SC
Member since Nov 2012
4498 posts
Posted on 7/15/13 at 6:18 am to
quote:

The media attention would be VERY different if Trayvon was a white kid


FIFY

Truth is, if he were white this story would have made 3rd page on the local newspaper, period. Unlike the African American race, we don’t have race baiters who turn everything involving different races into an epidemic.

Do you think LeBron James and the Heat would have taken a symbolic picture with hoodies if the kid were white? Do you think Roddy White would’ve tweeted Zimmerman “supporters” to “kill themselves”? Hell no, and you know it. If twitter were around in 1995 when OJ was acquitted, the tweets would have been vastly different. At least whites, peruvians, mexicans didn’t take to the streets to celebrate Zimmerman’s innocent ruling.

I can almost guarantee you MLK would be disgusted with the opportunity provided to AA by which he died for. Instead, people want to point fingers because no one can take ownership. Civil Rights was a stepping stone, but people today want to use it as an excuse for a lack of progress. It truly is sad. Let me know when the double standard ends, then I’ll give a shite.
Posted by adawgj
Brunswick
Member since Oct 2012
1749 posts
Posted on 7/15/13 at 6:35 am to
Your post ended the topic. Good job.
Posted by RDDAWG
Member since Oct 2012
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Posted on 7/15/13 at 8:18 am to
Posted by RDDAWG
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Posted on 7/15/13 at 8:22 am to
Posted by RDDAWG
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Posted on 7/15/13 at 8:31 am to
Posted by FooManChoo
Member since Dec 2012
41669 posts
Posted on 7/15/13 at 8:50 am to
George Zimmerman is Hispanic, not "White", so do the NAACP, Al Sharpton, and the rest of the protestors think that there is a growing racial bias against Blacks in Hispanic communities?

I'd like to ask you, RDDAWG, since you seem quite intelligent and knowledgeable on many things, if you watched the trial and are aware of the evidence in the case? If so, do you think the jury made the right or wrong decision based on said evidence?
Posted by RDDAWG
Member since Oct 2012
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Posted on 7/15/13 at 9:04 am to
Honestly, the jury made the right decision based solely on the evidence presented by the defense and the state. I honestly believe the state could have done more to build their case on facts. They didn't do a good enough job. It was a losing battle all the way through when they tried to build their case on sympathy. I'm not upset at the verdict, I am upset by the response, however. I don't think Trayvon's death is any more significant that the young black men that die daily from gang violence, nevertheless, his death does highlight the value of a young black man's life in America. This is MY honest opinion. I truly believe that if a black man dies every hour for a week, which is actually likely, no one gives a damn. Even if it gets on the news, there isn't a name given, if that, not much background. What happened to Shellew in Mableton was horrible, but you will hear about a death like that more so that another **** getting killed in the streets. I can say that I agree with you all in this, if another black man had pulled the trigger that night, we would have never even heard about Trayvon Martin. Yet in still, is that not sad?
This post was edited on 7/15/13 at 9:05 am
Posted by RDDAWG
Member since Oct 2012
1010 posts
Posted on 7/15/13 at 9:20 am to
quote:

George Zimmerman is Hispanic


I'm sorry, it's hard to believe that someone with the last name Zimmerman is looked at by SOCIETY as a Hispanic person. He may have Hispanic blood running through his veins, but no one can convince me that a person with a Jewish last name has lived a life close in contrast to the majority of Hispanic people in America. But this is still lies herein that most of you believe, regardless of color, that Zimmerman played no role in Martin dying. Let's throw race out. Zimmerman still shouldn't have followed Martin on foot to confront him. It was dark, raining, the atmosphere that night I imagine was overwhelmingly gloomy. Wouldn't you have fell some type of unease if ANYONE regardless of color was following you? What if Martin panicked not sure if Zimmerman was a serial killer, mugger, robber? Why didn't he just identify himself as the courtesy officer, and asked Trayvon what he was up to? I would have been fine with that. Even if Zimmerman had a stun gun or pepper spray, that would have been completely okay. Too many what-ifs in this case. Which I can only imagine made this case very difficult for the jury.
This post was edited on 7/15/13 at 9:22 am
Posted by RDDAWG
Member since Oct 2012
1010 posts
Posted on 7/15/13 at 9:32 am to
I will say this as a final comment. I DO NOT believe Zimmerman had intentions to murder anyone or Trayvon that night.
Posted by VoxDawg
Glory, Glory
Member since Sep 2012
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Posted on 7/15/13 at 9:33 am to
Zimmerman's mom is Peruvian and his dad is white. How does that make him white, when the First Black President's mom is white and his dad is Kenyan?

You can't have it both ways.
Posted by RDDAWG
Member since Oct 2012
1010 posts
Posted on 7/15/13 at 9:39 am to
You all are being legalistic about this. I don't care though, cool. Interracial individuals side and associate with other individuals usually on either their paternal ethnicity or their maternal ethnicity. I believe Zimmerman had more relationships and would feel and does feel more connected to his father's ethnicity. And with regards to Obama, he has more influence and is connected to the African-American community more so than the Caucasian community. That fact is irrelevant here at this point, but I just wanted to answer you question.
This post was edited on 7/15/13 at 9:40 am
Posted by VoxDawg
Glory, Glory
Member since Sep 2012
59823 posts
Posted on 7/15/13 at 9:49 am to
Of course we're being legalistic about it. It's a legal matter. I totally understand why folks would be passionate about this, but often times passion doesn't stand up in the face of logic. Unfortunately for all involved, this is one of those times.
Posted by adawgj
Brunswick
Member since Oct 2012
1749 posts
Posted on 7/15/13 at 11:34 am to
What does this have to do with Zimmerman? Black people dont kill white folk? Happens all the time and you dont see the headlines " white kid killed by BLACK man", cuz that wouldnt seem racist. Black folks kill all the time when they robbin folks and keepn it real.
Posted by FooManChoo
Member since Dec 2012
41669 posts
Posted on 7/15/13 at 12:01 pm to
I'm actually not sure what the state could have done differently to solidify their case. All the evidence they had (that I'm aware of) was presented and they tried to use emotion (on their part as well as trying to tug on the heartstrings of the jurors) to make it appear that Zimmerman was a wannabe cop who was taking his frustrations out on Martin and killed him in cold blood. The evidence just wasn't there to support that and I think the jury made the correct decision. As you said, it was a losing battle all the way through.

I'll disagree with the point about the value of Martin's life. Many people die every day, in many ways, from various ethnic and cultural backgrounds. From an objective (philosophically speaking) view, every life is equally important or valuable. From the subjective side, we tend to only value those who are close to us in some way or have a closer bond to us emotionally. The value of those lives are extraordinary for the friends and families of the deceased, but most people don't give a second's thought to those outside of their own spheres.

I don't see this as a black or white or Hispanic issue; I don't see it as a racial issue, in general. Two human beings got caught up in an altercation and one of them lost their life. That, in itself, is a tragic outcome. I don't think the color of the victim adds any more "value" to that person from an objective standpoint. Emotionally speaking, perhaps that adds more or less value to others based on their own views of race. It doesn't make any difference to me.

Regardless of Zimmerman's color or race, he certainly did play a role in Martin's death. That is undisputed. But, that role has far less to do with the current protests than his race/color compared to Martin. The death is situational. If an unarmed white man was trying to rape an armed white woman and she shot and killed him, there would be no protests, so it's no an issue of armed vs. unarmed. It's not about the killing, but about the color of the one who was killed compared to the one who killed him, and I think that's a shame. The facts of the case do not point to a race-based profiling. Any profiling that was done was based on attire and behavior within the context of the community, based on the evidence I've seen. In my opinion, those who are making this issue about race are doing it because they want to make this issue about race.
Posted by RDDAWG
Member since Oct 2012
1010 posts
Posted on 7/15/13 at 12:17 pm to
I will agree with you in that Zimmerman did not profile Martin because of his race. Maybe his clothing and suspicion, but not his skin color.
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