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re: its years of bad recruiting.

Posted on 12/11/16 at 10:46 am to
Posted by RhodeDawg
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Posted on 12/11/16 at 10:46 am to
The Dawgs have LBs kicking a$$ all over the NFL, which supports your coaching argument.
Posted by djsdawg
Member since Apr 2015
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Posted on 12/11/16 at 11:47 am to
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Carter has as much talent.


If he starts in the NFL one day, you might be right. I don't think he has the talent to do that.
Posted by meansonny
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Posted on 12/11/16 at 12:46 pm to
The talent is there. I don't doubt that for a second. But talent does not mean he will make it. Every one in the NFL has talent.

We are playing semantics. I have no problem agreeing to disagree.
Posted by meansonny
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Posted on 12/11/16 at 12:49 pm to
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They were better in the red zone but you're right about their production last year


That is hugely important. And it is a big difference between this season and last.

But last year, we had the same issues with containment at OLB against the run (Florida game and many others). We had huge inconsistencies in pressuring the quarterback.

The similarities are unavoidable.
This post was edited on 12/11/16 at 1:04 pm
Posted by meansonny
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Posted on 12/11/16 at 1:08 pm to
One area of lacking that people don't mention much is the lack of a thumper (or experienced thumper as JHC did have some time) at safety. They can clean up a lot in the red zone and help cover a lot of areas left exposed at OLB.
Posted by AlaCowboy
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Posted on 12/11/16 at 1:15 pm to
I really believe the Florida game was trashed by Richt in his dissatisfaction with fans questioning his judgement. To put Bauta on the field with play calling that went against his skills seemed deliberate. The offensive game plan was so bland. Richt probably knew he was going to be canned by McGarity so he gave Richt haters what they wanted.
Posted by GurleyGirl
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Posted on 12/11/16 at 4:39 pm to
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Floyd had a grand total of 4 1/2 sacks last year and is playing lights out for the Bears this year.Coaching does make a difference.


It absolutely does but there are other factors that explain why players are better in the pros than they were at the college level not the least of which is maturity. For instance, a talented player might be saddled with a weak supporting cast in college yet shines in the NFL teamed with other equally talented players. Talent also includes mental as well as physical aspects. Some players might be slower to develop at the college level where coaching is limited by NCAA standards but bloom in the pros due to more extensive coaching.
Posted by WG_Dawg
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Posted on 12/11/16 at 4:45 pm to
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Richt probably knew he was going to be canned by McGarity so he gave Richt haters what they wanted.


You're an idiot.
Posted by AlaCowboy
North Alabama
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Posted on 12/11/16 at 5:50 pm to
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You're an idiot.


My ex used to tell me that too.
What is your explanation for starting Bauta with a game plan that even an idiot like me could see did not fit his skills?
Posted by RD Dawg
Atlanta
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Posted on 12/11/16 at 5:59 pm to
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why players are better in the pros than they were at the college level not the least of which is maturity. For instance, a talented player might be saddled with a weak supporting cast in college yet shines in the NFL


Floyd played on good to very good defenses in '14 and '15 and is old for his class (turned 24 this year)At times he looked completely lost vs the run vs better teams and had little impact as a pass rusher in '15.

Who knows,perhaps the scheme was a little difficult for him to grasp.
This post was edited on 12/11/16 at 7:29 pm
Posted by Jefferson Dawg
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Posted on 12/11/16 at 6:39 pm to
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Richt probably knew he was going to be canned by McGarity so he gave Richt haters what they wanted.

I thought we'd have more details and info on the 2015 soap opera by now. How long before someone coughs up the truth about all the ugly behind the scenes stuff with Pruitt ambushing Richt in his driveway and threatening to murder Squattin'heimer, etc?
Posted by WG_Dawg
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Posted on 12/11/16 at 6:58 pm to
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What is your explanation for starting Bauta


Try SOMETHING different. Our offense was piss poor all year with lambert/schott and we had a bye week, might as well try something different.

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with a game plan that even an idiot like me could see did not fit his skills?


No clue on that one, still blows my mind. Absolutely no excuse to play a mobile QB and not incoporate more runs.


However, what you said is that Richt intentionally did that as a middle finger to the naysayers and administration since he (apparently according to you, which is literally not possible) knew he was being fired. Which is about the most ridiculous thing I've seen on here which is saying a lot. That's why you're an idiot.
Posted by meansonny
ATL
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Posted on 12/11/16 at 7:26 pm to
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Floyd played on good to very good defenses in '14 and '15 and is old for his class (turned 24 this year)At times he looks completely lost vs the run vs better teams and had little impact as a pass rusher in '15.

How knows,perhaps the scheme was a little difficult for him to grasp


Floyd handled the defense fine. As a matter of fact, he handled so many responsibilities, it is very impressive all the ways he helped the team (unselfishly).

A lot of his coverage responsibilities took a toll on his sack numbers.

His biggest failures were in holding the edge against the run.
Posted by AlaCowboy
North Alabama
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Posted on 12/11/16 at 8:57 pm to
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However, what you said is that Richt intentionally did that as a middle finger to the naysayers and administration since he (apparently according to you, which is literally not possible) knew he was being fired.



One day, about 3 to 5 years from now, things will be known about the events leading up to that game and the end of the year.
Posted by heartbreakTiger
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Posted on 12/12/16 at 2:53 pm to
chaney has a horrendous overall record in sec play. I don't think its all bad recruiting
Posted by Crowknowsbest
Member since May 2012
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Posted on 12/12/16 at 3:07 pm to
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I thought we'd have more details and info on the 2015 soap opera by now. How long before someone coughs up the truth about all the ugly behind the scenes stuff with Pruitt ambushing Richt in his driveway and threatening to murder Squattin'heimer, etc?

Apparently it wasn't as dramatic as the AJC made it out to be.

I've read a few variations, but it seems to boil down to there being a few cliques within the staff. Richt's guys (Lilly, McClendon, Brown), Pruitt's guys (Sherrer, Rocker, Sale), and then Schotty and Ekeler were friends. The Richt and Pruitt cliques got along pretty well or at least worked well together, especially when Bobo and Friend were still around. Pruitt has always been very outspoken about his respect for Richt.

Apparently, Pruitt was pretty open in his frustration with Schotty to the point that Brown told him to cut it out, and it got heated between them. Unconfirmed whether they actually got into a fight, but there was apparently some kind of incident in a staff meeting after the UF game. Some people say Pruitt was drunk at said staff meeting. Ekeler was leaving regardless because of Pruitt being a dick. Pruitt apologized, and I think he and Richt are still on good terms.
Posted by grey
Member since Aug 2015
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Posted on 12/12/16 at 3:22 pm to
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Some people say Pruitt was drunk at said staff meeting


Somehow the image of a drunk Pruitt trying to fight Schottenheimer after that performance against UF makes me miss him even more.
Posted by DawgsLife
Member since Jun 2013
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Posted on 12/13/16 at 9:31 am to
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with a game plan that even an idiot like me could see did not fit his skills?

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No clue on that one, still blows my mind. Absolutely no excuse to play a mobile QB and not incoporate more runs.


They simply had not worked on a package for a mobile QB all year. Could they have done more for a mobile QB? yes, but in preparing for the Florida defense and adding multiple plays for a mobile QB would have been tough. Makes starting Bauta a bigger head scratcher. It was a bad, bad mistake on Richt's part, but I will never believe he tanked the game.

I recall more than one poster on here that was screaming we needed to give Bauta a chance, though. After the game, nobody would admit that they said that. It was just a poor decision by Richt and it cost him. I agree with you (WG), though, that i think it was a matter of trying to shake things up a bit.
Posted by WG_Dawg
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Posted on 12/13/16 at 9:40 am to
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They simply had not worked on a package for a mobile QB all year. Could they have done more for a mobile QB? yes, but in preparing for the Florida defense and adding multiple plays for a mobile QB would have been tough.


I strongly disagree here. We have 2 full weeks and we're not talking about revamping the entire gameplan, just adding more zone read plays, maybe an option run or 2, a QB draw, something. We had the EXACT same gameplan as if Lambert was in there.

What's more, in 2005 DJ got hurt in the 2nd quarter against arkansas. With no bye week and only 4/5 days of game prep for UF the next week, we had Joe T run like 6 QB sneaks. We ran more with him on a few days notice than we did with an actual mobile QB with 2 weeks notice. I have no idea why we did things the way we did, but there's no way you can convince me it would simply be too difficult to add in some packages.
Posted by Peter Buck
Member since Sep 2012
12415 posts
Posted on 12/13/16 at 9:45 am to
If they ran the read option and QB draws and waggles off the read option, it would have been a great idea. Running the same plays that weren't working that well was not.
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