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re: Here are the QBs Brian Schottenheimer had worked with
Posted on 1/7/15 at 2:30 pm to Sanford&MunSon
Posted on 1/7/15 at 2:30 pm to Sanford&MunSon
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My only argument is that there's really nothing to get excited about.
I'm a numbers guy. That doesn't always tell the story but it helps. For instance, if you hire Urban Meyer....You know you are going to win. Hell, you know you will win alot and you know his offense will work....always.
It's always the unknown with hires like this that piss me off. We don't know what the hell we are getting. We know he is a respected coach. We know he has been around the NFL game for a long time and we know that he is probably a great guy.
What we don't know....can he recruit? Can he get more out of our QB's. Will he stop trying to do power runs with small WR's and other complaints I have seen. Some also say his playcalling is predictable but there is usually a 50/50 shot all OCs will be predictable so take that with a grain of salt.
We basically have no idea how well this guy will do. It's a complete unknown. So when it's unknown I go by the numbers and his numbers suggest that he hasn't been a very good NFL OC.
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Posted on 1/7/15 at 2:32 pm to Sanford&MunSon
So he was kept around for 6 years, and then recycled for another three because there was a shortage of NFL level coaches. Does that mean he's not NFL level, but there was nobody at any level who fit the bill? Or he is NFL level, but just not good enough for college.
My thinking is that NFL coordinators are generally much better than college, particularly the ones that last. NFL coordinator spend all of their time coaching and analyzing opponents. They understand the nuts and bolts of the game on a higher level, especially a guy who's been around coaching multiple positions for a long time.
Schottenheimer will have to make some adjustments. He'll have to simplify his playbook, which Grantham struggled to do. And he'll have to recruit, which is more about personality as it is about knowledge of the game. But, from an x's and o's standpoint, I have little doubt that Schottenheimer knows more about pro style offense than any of our other candidates by a wide margin. I'm very excited to see his offense at UGA.
My thinking is that NFL coordinators are generally much better than college, particularly the ones that last. NFL coordinator spend all of their time coaching and analyzing opponents. They understand the nuts and bolts of the game on a higher level, especially a guy who's been around coaching multiple positions for a long time.
Schottenheimer will have to make some adjustments. He'll have to simplify his playbook, which Grantham struggled to do. And he'll have to recruit, which is more about personality as it is about knowledge of the game. But, from an x's and o's standpoint, I have little doubt that Schottenheimer knows more about pro style offense than any of our other candidates by a wide margin. I'm very excited to see his offense at UGA.
This post was edited on 1/7/15 at 2:34 pm
Posted on 1/7/15 at 2:33 pm to Prettyboy Floyd
Honestly this smells of a control hire. Richt brought someone in who won't change a thing.
Posted on 1/7/15 at 2:36 pm to Sanford&MunSon
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Honestly this smells of a control hire. Richt brought someone in who won't change a thing.
Exact opposite IMO. Richt hired somebody who has actually run an offense for an extended period. All the other guys had less experience as a high level coordinator and would have required more hands on from Richt.
Posted on 1/7/15 at 2:37 pm to Prettyboy Floyd
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Will he stop trying to do power runs with small WR's and other complaints I have seen?
If you're referring to the Rams fans whining about Tavon Austin, I refer you (and them) to the following box score. [link=(espn.go.com/ncf/gamecast?gameId=323220277&version=mobile#boxscore&src=desktop)]Tavon Austin 344 rushing yards[/link]. It's not like Austin had never run out of the backfield before. If you remember this game at all, Austin lined up in a traditional RB spot, ran off tackle power runs, and scorched the Oklahoma defense.
The Rams were extremely limited in offensive weapons and Austin is their best playmaker. If the QBs are terrible (and they did start Austin Davis several times this season) then you have to get your best guys the ball somehow.
This post was edited on 1/7/15 at 2:39 pm
Posted on 1/7/15 at 2:43 pm to wdhalgren
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probably by more than a few of the same people posting on both boards
Posted on 1/7/15 at 2:45 pm to VADawg
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If you're referring to the Rams fans whining about Tavon Austin, I refer you (and them) to the following box score. Tavon Austin 344 rushing yards. It's not like Austin had never run out of the backfield before. If you remember this game at all, Austin lined up in a traditional RB spot, ran off tackle power runs, and scorched the Oklahoma defense.
The Rams were extremely limited in offensive weapons and Austin is their best playmaker. If the QBs are terrible (and they did start Austin Davis several times this season) then you have to get your best guys the ball somehow.
Huge difference in NFL speed vs College speed. Keep in mind Austin is easily arm tackled so if anyone lays a finger on him he isn't going anywhere. So power runs with Austin make very little sense. Screens, tosses, deep routes etc make sense. Power runs ....not so much.
Posted on 1/7/15 at 2:47 pm to Dawgsontop34
FWIW don't put any weight in "he's never recruited". UGA always gets players, win and we'll get more. Think SOS is a good recruiter? Even Weiss threw together some bigtime classes at ND and he's morbidly obese with no personality whatsoever.
We win a couple of SECC he'll be our best recruiter even if he never leaves Buttsmear.
We win a couple of SECC he'll be our best recruiter even if he never leaves Buttsmear.
Posted on 1/7/15 at 2:51 pm to wdhalgren
It means that it's not uncommon for a coach in the nfl to get fired and then rehired. You're only argument is that he has been around the league for a decade so he must be good. Maybe he will be, but there is nothing on his resume that is overly impressive.
Posted on 1/7/15 at 2:52 pm to Sanford&MunSon
Bottom line is that this is a bit of an unknown. Pro guys always are.
Posted on 1/7/15 at 2:54 pm to Sanford&MunSon
Overly impressive relative to what? He got a bad Jets team to the AFCC twice with a horrid QB. Then had things going pretty good until Bradford blew his knee out. I like the hire.
Posted on 1/7/15 at 2:55 pm to Prettyboy Floyd
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Huge difference in NFL speed vs college speed
And which one will Schottenheimer be dealing with at UGA?
Posted on 1/7/15 at 2:58 pm to WorkinDawg
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He got a bad Jets team to the AFCC twice with a horrid QB.
Behind the best defense in the NFL. Yes, yes he did.
Posted on 1/7/15 at 2:58 pm to WorkinDawg
It means there is nothing impressive relative to anything that suggests that he can be a successful college coordinator. We can only judge people by their body of work and his isn't that good to me.
This post was edited on 1/7/15 at 2:59 pm
Posted on 1/7/15 at 3:02 pm to Sanford&MunSon
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the guy has never even broken the top ten in offensive production.
Well, i don't know if he will end up good or bad. As for his offensive production? Keep in mind he was with the Jets and the rams. Neither is known for their talent on the offensive side of the ball.
Think I will just wait and see. His NFL experience as an OC and QB Coach SHOULD help with recruiting, so there's that. Honestly, I didn't see too many names out there that would elicit any kind of excitement. But I will say this....for those of you screaming for Richt's head after every single loss take note. You lose a solid proven coach and sometimes (more often than not) you get meh. Nothing to get excited about. Most people that were criticizing Bobo are probably wishing we had him back, now.
Why don't we wait and see? I'm not quite ready to crown him as OC genius, or bust quite yet. I will give him a year or two.
Posted on 1/7/15 at 3:02 pm to Sanford&MunSon
I know we all hope he kills it. Guess time will tell. All we can do now is line up behind him. Thinks we could've done worse. Not sure exactly who I think would be better.
Posted on 1/7/15 at 3:04 pm to WorkinDawg
Yeah I'm not saying that is a bad hire or that he won't do well. I'll wait until I see him action before I form a real opinion on him.
Posted on 1/7/15 at 3:04 pm to Sanford&MunSon
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It means there is nothing impressive relative to anything that suggests that he can be a successful college coordinator.
I think there is as much as any of our other candidates, don't you think? I would rather have a guy come down from the NFL to the SEC, than a guy come from a nowhere college to the SEC. The Stanford guy was just a pipe dream made up by wishers. Was there any truly serious interest by him in us? Did he get an interview?
Posted on 1/7/15 at 3:05 pm to Sanford&MunSon
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I'll wait until I see him action before I form a real opinion on him.
That's the way to do it. Wait and see is the only thing we can do.
Posted on 1/7/15 at 3:37 pm to DawgsLife
Bloomgren had a rep as a good recruiter, but his actual experience in designing and running an offense are far from clear. David Shaw had a lot of control over Stanford's offense. My guess is Bloomgren would have been interested if offered the job, but Richt thought CBS was a better candidate.
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