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Posted on 7/1/14 at 11:08 pm to Damn Good Dawg
I dont know man, Staff has some weapons, too. aj, knowshon, momass. he just couldn't execute like Murray for some reason. i guess Staff was playing during the switch from Richt to Bobo, so maybe that hurt him.
Posted on 7/1/14 at 11:09 pm to Damn Good Dawg
Greene. He did exactly what he was asked to do given the team. Took us from almost a SEC also ran to contender. Almost never had a bad game.
If I absolutely had to win one, I would take him with his team or Murray's.
If I absolutely had to win one, I would take him with his team or Murray's.
Posted on 7/1/14 at 11:24 pm to K9
Stafford just thought too much of his arm at times IYAM. I just think skill-wise him with Murray's offense would be holy shite good.
Still think Greene is better than both, though
Still think Greene is better than both, though
Posted on 7/1/14 at 11:34 pm to AmericusDawg
I would say Murray because of his gutty performances his senior year with all the injuries! Also, he was 3-1 against Florida.
Posted on 7/1/14 at 11:45 pm to DisneyDawg
I'll always love Murray for that, but he didn't go up against Tebow Florida or Spurrier florida.
still, I dn;t want to take anything away from Murray, I love the guido.
still, I dn;t want to take anything away from Murray, I love the guido.
Posted on 7/2/14 at 12:06 am to K9
He may have been a greased up guido douchebag
But he was our greased up guido douchebag, dammit!
But he was our greased up guido douchebag, dammit!
Posted on 7/2/14 at 12:07 am to AirDawg
Murray, and it's not even close. Stafford was all about himself and getting to the NFL. Greene had arguably the best talent surrounding him by a pretty good bit, but probably the least physically talented of the three. Murray never had consistency with his supporting cast from year to year, but prepared better than any of the others.
I remember when he played his first year and arguing with many on the old Dawg rant when they wanted Mason or LeMay instead. I think we all saw how that worked out that the coaches actually pegged that one spot on. Just had to get that in.
I remember when he played his first year and arguing with many on the old Dawg rant when they wanted Mason or LeMay instead. I think we all saw how that worked out that the coaches actually pegged that one spot on. Just had to get that in.
Posted on 7/2/14 at 6:15 am to K9
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I'll always love Murray for that, but he didn't go up against Tebow Florida or Spurrier florida.
At the same time, Greene never went up against Saban Bama. Does the 2012 UGA team win the SEC if it is placed in the same conditions as 2002? Can't know for sure, but they would have been the favorites.
Posted on 7/2/14 at 7:01 am to AirDawg
talent wise: Stafford...that dude is having a pretty good pro career despite being in Detroit...he overthrew stuff yeah...but as was mentioned...he was young...that dude is the most raw talented qb UGA has ever started imho
otherwise and probably the winner: Greene...dude was awesome and damn near willed us to win...he was a great leader and got the job done...we were basically in the NC argument under Greene...
runner-up: Murray...he was great the last two years but damn if I had to watch him pop that chinstrap off after another three and out, I would have stabbed myself in the eyeballs...he did some great things and his work ethic is second to none...he had alot of weapons and had a good touch on the ball...but I dont believe he was as talented as Staff or as much of a winner as Greene...
honorable mention:
EZ
Shockley
otherwise and probably the winner: Greene...dude was awesome and damn near willed us to win...he was a great leader and got the job done...we were basically in the NC argument under Greene...
runner-up: Murray...he was great the last two years but damn if I had to watch him pop that chinstrap off after another three and out, I would have stabbed myself in the eyeballs...he did some great things and his work ethic is second to none...he had alot of weapons and had a good touch on the ball...but I dont believe he was as talented as Staff or as much of a winner as Greene...
honorable mention:
EZ
Shockley
Posted on 7/2/14 at 7:03 am to Crowknowsbest
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Greatest is a difficult distinction.
Okay I kinda felt the same way but thought we could iron that out through discussion. So I ask,"What characteristics does a QB have to possess in order to be deemed the "Greatest"?"
Or should this be part of another thread?
The three QBs who have been mentioned consistantly so far are Greene, Murray, and Stafford...with honorable mentions going to Zeier, Tarkenton, and Belue. Let's list them out and see which guys are square pegs and which one is the round one.
I'll start it off with a couple of easy ones:
He should have prevailed against ranked teams consistantly.
He should be considered an all american.
He should show he can take the game on his shoulders and bring home a win.
What say you fellas?
This post was edited on 7/2/14 at 7:08 am
Posted on 7/2/14 at 7:20 am to AirDawg
I'll take Zeier.
Most accurate/intelligent(football wise).
Greene and Belue were the only two, that I witnessed, that had consistently good defenses to vie for championships.
Most accurate/intelligent(football wise).
Greene and Belue were the only two, that I witnessed, that had consistently good defenses to vie for championships.
Posted on 7/2/14 at 7:22 am to AirDawg
I still don't think you can say definitively who was best. We have had several guys bring different things to the table. Also, I'd wager that over 90% of the people here (myself included btw) didn't see anyone live pre-Zeier. Hell theres a good many that probably don't remember anyone pre-Greene. There's about 5 or 6 guys all with their hat in the ring, but I'm not sure there's one guy that is a cut above the rest all time for us.
LOL. It's a disgrace to this discussion to include Belue.
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honorable mentions going to Zeier, Tarkenton, and Belue
LOL. It's a disgrace to this discussion to include Belue.
Posted on 7/2/14 at 7:30 am to WG_Dawg
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LOL. It's a disgrace to this discussion to include Belue.
The way I look at the question is that knowing what I know now and who I personally witnessed, ie. hindsight, who from a list of GA quarterbacks would you want to lead your team. You can't go by stats alone or championships alone. There's more to it than that.
Zeier would be the QB for my team.
Posted on 7/2/14 at 7:35 am to bulldawger
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who from a list of GA quarterbacks would you want to lead your team. You can't go by stats alone or championships alone. There's more to it than that.
Yeah I realize that. And Belue might crack my top 10.
Hell of a baseball player, but he simply wasn't that good of a QB. His entire reputation is based on one single play, in which he threw it about 15 yards and the receiver did the rest. He had some other moments (78 tech for instance, which gets overlooked), but in general he just wasn't very good. Put it this way, if Buck didn't have Herschel to hand it to 30 times a game, where would he go down in UGA lore? Honestly people probably wouldn't even remember him. In the biggest game of his entire UGA career, he went 1 for 12 for 7 yards.
Posted on 7/2/14 at 7:44 am to K9
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i think it really comes down to Greene or Murray
While I like those two, that can't be a fair statement. Different times and different styles. Let's say, for example, that a team from the '40's era had an absolute dominant defense - could one say that was the best defense ever? If so, then why - since the game has changed so much in style from era to era.
A better comparison might be to say which is the greatest from a certain era?
Posted on 7/2/14 at 7:50 am to Crowknowsbest
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The most talented was Stafford, the most productive was Murray, and the best winner was Greene.
Greatest is a difficult distinction. You would also have to take Zeier and Tarkenton into account.
This
Posted on 7/2/14 at 8:01 am to Spaceman Spiff
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A better comparison might be to say which is the greatest from a certain era?
This is why it's hard to compare 1959 Tarkenton to 2013 Murray.
Different game, different era, different attitude, different ideas on health/nutrition/weight training.
Bottom line is, Fran was supposedly really good and probably ran his offense as well as Aaron ran his.
Are offenses more complex than those in the 50's? Some like GAs are. Others like Techs offense may not be. Did Joshua Nesbitt run Techs offense as well as Murray ran GAs?
It's certainly debatable.
This post was edited on 7/2/14 at 8:04 am
Posted on 7/2/14 at 8:17 am to AirDawg
James Jackson
Posted on 7/2/14 at 8:18 am to Leghumper
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James Jackson
Never mention him again, please.
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