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re: Fromm/ Eason

Posted on 9/18/17 at 7:17 pm to
Posted by RD Dawg
Atlanta
Member since Sep 2012
27298 posts
Posted on 9/18/17 at 7:17 pm to
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just watched the UGA offense v UA defense video on youtube. I didnt see the pass to Godwin


The fact that you don't remember the throw tells me all
I need to know about your powers of observation regarding Eason and UGA FB.

He was 20 for 31 in the game and the main reason we were able to dominate the TOP and win the game.Please don't ask me to explain this if you can't figure it out.
Posted by Cobb Dawg
Member since Sep 2012
9804 posts
Posted on 9/18/17 at 8:18 pm to
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Eason is capable of throwing two kinds of passes. The first and most common being the skiddish in the pocket hot potatoe over throw or skiddish in the pocket super hot potatoe thrown off the bavk foot underthrow. He has had a few retard mistakes where he hit tue receiver in stride, for example, Riley Ridley V. Tennesse at the end of the game or the jump ball to a wide open iMac at Mizzou. I think Fromm is head and shoulders above Eason. The only thing he lacks is experience, which Eason has plenty of.



Not sure we're talking about the same guy. The Jacob Eason I'm talking about is a guy who, on several occasions, made passes as a freshman and in his sophomore spring that most seniors couldn't make. He had some inconsistencies, but what freshman didn't. I think most are a little too hard on the guy because of his rating; expecting him to be a god.

Eason is still arguably the most physically gifted QB in the SEC. And the QB competition that we have only makes him better.
Posted by SneakyWaff1es
Member since Nov 2012
3941 posts
Posted on 9/18/17 at 8:31 pm to
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One guy, one time, from Washington was overrated. 

When you only produce two highly rated recruits in recent history, one being overrated is 50%. It's not like we're talking about Texas, Florida or Georgia where an athlete being a bust isn't a big deal.
Posted by 3rddownonthe8
Atlanta, GA
Member since Aug 2011
5212 posts
Posted on 9/19/17 at 5:41 am to
Regarding your breakdown post....

So glad you did this , because I really didn't want to type that much... but so right on the nose. I was going to add something about the #1 r ceiver bring 5-9, and the huge addition of J Wimms as well. Also, the fact that he had statistically the best TFr QB year in UGA history under all those circumstances is pretty good. But also the most important point is the steady improvement from sep-oct-nov is noticeable.

The true controversy in my eyes, is some people just what the Georgia boy to be the guy... period.
Posted by Dawgfanman
Member since Jun 2015
22353 posts
Posted on 9/19/17 at 6:15 am to
I haven't seen either guy show they can be the reason we win. Both guys have shown they can do an adequate job or potentially be the reason we lose.

Fromm hasn't played well enough to have taken the job, but Eason also hasn't played well enough last year to earn a lot of deference.

We have a QB controversy when Eason gets back unless Fromm has some crazy great game between now and then.
Posted by Spaceman Spiff
Savannah
Member since Sep 2012
17476 posts
Posted on 9/19/17 at 6:16 am to
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I'm not sure about that. I think Eason will take his game to the next level this year. Just a hunch


First he has to improve in almost all areas except the bomb arm, and that was not displayed at the end of the season, the spring game, or whatever it was he played in the first...same lack fundamentals, poor control, poor leadership, etc. He also lacks the poise that Fromm displays.
Posted by DawgsLife
Member since Jun 2013
58915 posts
Posted on 9/19/17 at 7:37 am to
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super hot potatoe thrown off the bavk foot underthrow.


If you are throwing the ball with a lot of zip off your back foot, it will more likely be overthrown, not underthrown. Throwing off your back foot gives the ball an upward trajectory when you are throwing the ball hard.

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He has had a few retard mistakes where he hit tue receiver in stride, for example, Riley Ridley V. Tennesse


I don't believe Fromm could have made that throw. He doesn't have the arm. You can argue that Fromm would have made some shorter throws, but not that throw.

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the jump ball to a wide open iMac at Mizzou.


That was a harder throw than it looked. IMac was open, but with defenders in between Eason had to place the ball just right to drop it in to Mackenzie while he was under a lot of pressure. Under the circumstances, it was an excellent throw.

quote:

I think Fromm is head and shoulders above Eason.

In some ways, yes. In others....no.

Posted by DawgsLife
Member since Jun 2013
58915 posts
Posted on 9/19/17 at 7:40 am to
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Spot on WG.Never seen a fan base in my life that completely trashes one of its one so quickly.


We are awful as fans. Many on here complained about Murray continuously while he was here. They complained about Bobo continuously. Richt. And now Eason. If we sign Fields they will be complaining about Fromm.
Posted by King of Cloverhurst
Johns Creek, GA
Member since Jul 2016
364 posts
Posted on 9/19/17 at 7:42 am to
My thoughts on the QB situation

Jacob Eason is a better QB and will make millions and tens of dollars in the NFL. However, his style of play is a bit of a gunslinger... think (as everyone does) Stafford or Favre. You will live or die by his arm on that particular day.

Fromm seems like more of a game manager. Not as an insult, but I think once he is fully settled, he will make very very little mistakes and our fate will be in the hands of our Defense and Running game - a la how Alabama runs their program.

For me and my money... I think I would go with Fromm and try to run an efficient somewhat boring offense that moves down the field methodically

Really in the end... this is a great problem to have
Posted by Peter Buck
Member since Sep 2012
12415 posts
Posted on 9/19/17 at 7:47 am to
Back foot throwing is something you coach out of a kid by HS. At college level, if a kid is doing it, he is afraid of being hit/uncomfortable with his pocket. It's a terrible habit. He had it last year and showed signs of it this year in the few throws he made.
Posted by DamnGoodDawg11
Atlanta
Member since Oct 2016
112 posts
Posted on 9/19/17 at 8:00 am to
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One guy, one time, from Washington was overrated.


Actually... twice. Most recently, it was Max Browne who went to USC and has since transferred to Pitt. Before that it was Jake Heaps who went to BYU. Both sucked
Posted by GurleyGirl
Georgia
Member since Nov 2015
13164 posts
Posted on 9/19/17 at 8:04 am to
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Back foot throwing is something you coach out of a kid by HS. At college level, if a kid is doing it, he is afraid of being hit/uncomfortable with his pocket. It's a terrible habit. He had it last year and showed signs of it this year in the few throws he made.


Agree. This is significant aspect of coaching assessment; in other words how coachable a particular player is. How well Eason is able to translate these coaching lessons into corrections on the field will largely determine his success and how much playing time he gets on our team.

Our OL is obviously still not one of the better OL compared to championship level teams like Alabama, Clemson, etc. So any QB in our offense needs keen pock awareness, nimble movement in and outside the pocket, quick decision making ability and good passing technique under less than ideal protection situations. Frankly, Fromm seems more of a natural in those regards.
Posted by RD Dawg
Atlanta
Member since Sep 2012
27298 posts
Posted on 9/19/17 at 8:15 am to
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Back foot throwing is something you coach out of a kid by HS. At college level, if a kid is doing it, he is afraid of being hit/uncomfortable with his pocket


Stafford did it throughout his career and into the early part of his NFL career.Matt Ryan also did it as well.

A bigger issue is his breaking out of the pocket
before he gets pressure and then has to improvise along with the WR's.
Posted by DawgsLife
Member since Jun 2013
58915 posts
Posted on 9/19/17 at 8:19 am to
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When you only produce two highly rated recruits in recent history, one being overrated is 50%. It's not like we're talking about Texas, Florida or Georgia where an athlete being a bust isn't a big deal.


I have been seeing people talk about Washington state as being devoid of high school football talent, and it got me to wondering where they are ranked as a state. I looked at Athlon and they had Washington ranked at #21 out of 50. That's actually not too bad. Not great, by any measure, but not as bad as many on this board apparently believe. The rankings I have linked to below are from 2008-2012, so they are somewhat outdated, however it gives us an idea.

Washington Football
Posted by Peter Buck
Member since Sep 2012
12415 posts
Posted on 9/19/17 at 8:22 am to
There are a few humans that can throw accurately off their back foot. Eason is not one of them.
Posted by DawgsLife
Member since Jun 2013
58915 posts
Posted on 9/19/17 at 8:22 am to
quote:

Back foot throwing is something you coach out of a kid by HS. At college level, if a kid is doing it, he is afraid of being hit/uncomfortable with his pocket. It's a terrible habit. He had it last year and showed signs of it this year in the few throws he made.


No doubt it is a terrible habit, but Fromm has thrown several balls off his back foot, too, so I am guessing it is a matter of being uncomfortable in the pocket. That can come from a lack of confidence in their OLine or maybe just nervous about the reputation of SEC defenses.
Posted by Peter Buck
Member since Sep 2012
12415 posts
Posted on 9/19/17 at 8:25 am to
In most cases, it comes from not seeing where you want to throw it and feeling the rush. Some people call it happy feat. If you know where you want to go with the ball, it magically goes away.
Posted by DawgsLife
Member since Jun 2013
58915 posts
Posted on 9/19/17 at 8:25 am to
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There are a few humans that can throw accurately off their back foot. Eason is not one of them.


Eason is not accurate whether he is throwing off his front or back foot. That is something he can possibly improve on SOMEWHAT, but he will probably never be among the completion percentage leaders. His forte is going to be stretching the field.

Some call Fromm a game manager....and to be clear, that is not a bad thing. High completion ratings and being able to keep the defenses honest and moving the ball down the field with few mistakes is a valuable thing.
Posted by DawgsLife
Member since Jun 2013
58915 posts
Posted on 9/19/17 at 8:28 am to
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If you know where you want to go with the ball, it magically goes away.




Somewhat. With two freshmen QB's they tend to know where they want to go with the ball, but stare down the receiver. That gives the defense a chance to keep the receiver covered up or jump the route for an interception. They've both been guilty of staring down their primary receivers.

I 100% agree with you that Fromm seems to see more of the big picture and see the field better, which leads me to believe he will work out of throwing off his back foot easier than Eason will.
Posted by RD Dawg
Atlanta
Member since Sep 2012
27298 posts
Posted on 9/19/17 at 8:31 am to
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any QB in our offense needs keen pock awareness, nimble movement in and outside the pocket, quick decision making ability and good passing technique under less than ideal protection situations. Frankly, Fromm seems more of a natural in those regards.


Fromm rarely if ever played under center in HS and ran
a spread (passing) offense.Perhaps one of the easiest
offenses to learn and operate.It does help with check downs and recognition but it doesn't prepare you at all to run a pro style offense at the next level.
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