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re: Fromm/ Eason
Posted on 9/20/17 at 1:09 pm to GurleyGirl
Posted on 9/20/17 at 1:09 pm to GurleyGirl
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So any QB in our offense needs keen pock awareness, nimble movement in and outside the pocket, quick decision making ability and good passing technique under less than ideal protection situations. Frankly, Fromm seems more of a natural in those regards.
I think Fromm needs to do a much better job of looking downfield when he gets under pressure. It seems to me that he just looks to take off and run.
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Posted on 9/20/17 at 1:30 pm to Dawgsontop34
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I think Fromm needs to do a much better job of looking downfield when he gets under pressure. It seems to me that he just looks to take off and run.
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Posted on 9/20/17 at 1:40 pm to DawgsLife
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Eason is not accurate whether he is throwing off his front or back foot. That is something he can possibly improve on SOMEWHAT, but he will probably never be among the completion percentage leaders
It just amazes me that people have already written the book on Eason after only his true freshman season. Yeesh.
The first half of his freshman year he completed 51.5%. The second half he completed 58.5%. He already improved just over teh course of his freshman year and you don't think he can improve even further in his sophomore or junior years?
And it is absolutely entirely too early to even judge Fromm's accuracy at this point considering he's only played 1 real opponent, and hasn't even played an SEC team yet.
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Some call Fromm a game manager....and to be clear, that is not a bad thing. High completion ratings and being able to keep the defenses honest
He completed 55% against his one real test. Eason's first real test he completed 67%, for reference.
Posted on 9/20/17 at 2:05 pm to Dawgsontop34
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I think Fromm needs to do a much better job of looking downfield when he gets under pressure. It seems to me that he just looks to take off and run.
Agreed. Seen it a number of times already.
Posted on 9/20/17 at 2:13 pm to WG_Dawg
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hasn't even played an SEC team yet.
We will find out this weekend.
Posted on 9/20/17 at 2:14 pm to devils1854
Seems like both of them stare down one receiver too much
Posted on 9/20/17 at 2:23 pm to WG_Dawg
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It just amazes me that people have already written the book on Eason after only his true freshman season. Yeesh.
I haven't written a book on him. I just don't think he will ever be an extremely accurate passer. Even when his mechanics have been solid his accuracy is a bit lacking. And, I said it is something he could improve on, but I would be surprised if he consistently goes above 60% completion rate.
I understand the first half second half comparisons, but those can be so misleading depending on who you are playing, and your receivers. I am simply going by how many times he throws the ball 6 feet over his receivers heads. I do admit, however, that the pass he threw against Tennessee was perfectly placed, which does give me some hope.
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He completed 55% against his one real test. Eason's first real test he completed 67%, for reference.
So, you are on record as saying you think Eason is a more accurate passer than Fromm? Just based upon what we have seen from both?
Hey, I think Eason gives us the better chance to win right now. I like Eason and think he gets the call when he is healthy. I also think this time Fromm is getting will be a great thing for the tem in the long run. It will be great to have a Fromm with experience backing up Eason. Ot Eason backing up Fromm....whichever the coaches decide we are in a win/win situation. Two young, but still experienced QB's is a good thing going forward.
Posted on 9/20/17 at 2:27 pm to WG_Dawg
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He completed 55% against his one real test. Eason's first real test he completed 67%, for reference.
Who are you calling Eason's first real test?
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Not North Carolina....he threw 12 passes. I would have said Missouri, and he was 52% against them. However, as I said, I am on the Eason train when he comes back. He should get the ball, imo.
This post was edited on 9/20/17 at 2:30 pm
Posted on 9/20/17 at 2:29 pm to DawgsLife
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Who are you calling Eason's first real test?
North Carolina..
Posted on 9/20/17 at 2:31 pm to WG_Dawg
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North Carolina..
You could make that argument, but I would have said Missouri. he was severely protected against North Carolina. He only threw 12 passes. They seemed to open the playbook up much wider for Fromm against ND. And ND has a much better team than NC had.
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I realize that is just my opinion, though.
This post was edited on 9/20/17 at 2:33 pm
Posted on 9/20/17 at 3:34 pm to WG_Dawg
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It just amazes me that people have already written the book on Eason after only his true freshman season. Yeesh.
Nobody is writing Eason off...he could be good/great in time. But I think he needs more time.
Go back and watch the TCU bowl game. Go back and watch the Tech game. Go back and watch the spring game.
Eason's problem is he doesn't throw on time. He holds onto the ball too long. He looks tentative. Some routes the ball needs TO BE ON ITS WAY before the receiver breaks. This is what he needs to improve on to be good.
I looked for improvement especially during the bowl and spring game. Eason has had a lot of snaps as the man. I wasn't seeing it during those two games.
I remember the color man during the TCU bowl game was critical of Eason especially during the second half. "he has got to learn to throw on time" etc. etc. That's is what I was seeing also.
Aaron Murray was great by his junior and senior year knowing where to go with the football and cutting it loose. It took him some time to really get it... but he got it. Eason will probably get it also in due time.
My problem is..... I think Fromm is already ahead of Eason on pre snap reads and having a good idea of where to go with the football, throwing on time, etc. I think every game/every start he only will get better. A lot of this has nothing to do with arm strength...it is what is between his ears.
This will play out. The question is...do we have the time to wait on Eason to get "really good" when Fromm could probably get to "really good" quicker. That might sound stupid but that is the way I see it.
Some of you are gonna go back and look at freshman stats, etc. etc. I ain't doing that. I am going by what I see.
Posted on 9/20/17 at 4:17 pm to WG_Dawg
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Eason's first real test he completed 67%, for reference.
This was with 2 horribly underthrown deep passes that thankfully led to pass int and 2 "hand offs" to iMac.
Posted on 9/20/17 at 4:44 pm to DawgsLife
Did you read what you posted? Out of 900 "elite" recruits from 2008-2012, Washington produced 10. That's an average of 2 per year. If that trend was the same while Eason was in high school, he maybe saw one other elite player per year. If Washington State closed its borders and none of their elite players went out of state, they could play a 4 on 4 with their 8 scholarship players. Or a 5 on 5 if both guys from one year red shirted.
For perspective, Florida came in first with 153 and Georgia fourth with 67. Washington has next to go talent. Eason has an elite arm. Whether or not the rest of it comes together remains to be seen.
For perspective, Florida came in first with 153 and Georgia fourth with 67. Washington has next to go talent. Eason has an elite arm. Whether or not the rest of it comes together remains to be seen.
Posted on 9/20/17 at 5:38 pm to djsdawg
Eason is a much better qb. That pass he threw to Lance Austin was a thing of beauty.
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Posted on 9/20/17 at 6:03 pm to frogtown
Frogtown, I think your post is right on target. Eason might have a big upside but right now Fromm is the guy who can throw on time and on target. Fromm is a natural leader that the team seems to have embraced. I do hope that we somehow get Eason involved without jeopardizing wins.
Posted on 9/20/17 at 7:01 pm to WG_Dawg
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It just amazes me that people have already written the book on Eason after only his true freshman season. Yeesh.
It's also comical because there was so much bitching about Stafford during his first season. And interestingly, there were also lots of complaints about his prima donna, "it's all about me" attitude.
Yet despite his worse than Eason freshman performance, he continued to improve each year....to the point of being the first pick in the NFL draft. And...look at him now.
I'm not sure I trust the talent scouts of GSB. We need to see what Eason does when he returns... Now if he shows no improvement from last year after a reasonable amount of playing time, then we can write him off as the next Anthony Morelli or Ben Olsen.
Posted on 9/20/17 at 7:46 pm to SneakyWaff1es
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Did you read what you posted? Out of 900 "elite" recruits from 2008-2012, Washington produced 10. That's an average of 2 per year. If that trend was the same while Eason was in high school, he maybe saw one other elite player per year. If Washington State closed its borders and none of their elite players went out of state, they could play a 4 on 4 with their 8 scholarship players. Or a 5 on 5 if both guys from one year red shirted.
Wow,using your logic Isaiah Wilson will be nothing more than big hot pile of garbage.New York state produced NINETEEN FBS scholarships in '16 and that's actually 11
fewer than Washington state that year.Didn't check '17 but I doubt it's much better.
Funny how NOBODY voiced those concerns on signing day and it didn't scare off a whole lot of coaches either.
Posted on 9/20/17 at 7:47 pm to Lucius Clay
I know that we all want an eager and healthy Eason to provide an alternative. Fromm could have a bad outing like I saw last year against Lee County. Jake and that oline had no answer for Aubrey Solomon.
Posted on 9/20/17 at 8:27 pm to RD Dawg
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Funny how NOBODY voiced those concerns on signing day
Actually this was voiced frequently throughout his recruiting.
In our case, we really really really needed a QB recruit so it was easy for us to be hopeful he'd develop into a superstar. Which, he may still.
The point here is that I don't think anyone expected Fromm to come in and pick up right were Eason left off.
As long as Fromm is getting the job done, why would you bench him to put Eason back in?
Players lose their starting status to injury all the time.
IT's not like Fromm came in during garbage time and looked as good as Eason.
He took over completely, and looks as good as Eason.
It has nothing to do with hating Eason. I like Eason.
Eason got hurt, Fromm came in, and has been doing a great job.
It's hard to sit him back down at this point.
Posted on 9/20/17 at 8:29 pm to RD Dawg
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Wow,using your logic Isaiah Wilson will be nothing more than big hot pile of garbage
Are you retarded? All I said is there isn't a lot of talent in Washington. I'm not wrong about that, it's even in the link in the post I quoted. That has no bearing on how Eason will turn out, only on how he may not have progressed as much in high school as he would have in a more talent rich state. Improvement isn't just a function of practice. You have to practice and play against people that challenge you to improve. There wasn't much of a challenge for him in Washington.
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NOBODY
I did. And he may turn out to be a great one. What we saw this year wasn't good but it wasn't much to go off, either. I'm hoping he comes back improved.
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