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re: Donnan vs. Richt
Posted on 12/2/14 at 11:59 pm to ruckusdawg
Posted on 12/2/14 at 11:59 pm to ruckusdawg
You are correct ruckus
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Posted on 12/3/14 at 12:38 am to Glory, Glory
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Why did Donnan not get a pass?
You don't frick with Loran Smith and survive.
Posted on 12/3/14 at 7:04 am to Glory, Glory
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If you take away Richt’s first few years, are things that much different?
Why would you do this? If you take 3 of Donnan's top three years what do you get? You can't simply wipe away years to show a point. Success for long stretches is a VERY difficult thing to accomplish, so, if anything you should compare Donnans five years with Richt's first five years. Then you would be comparing apples to apples.....but even then you would be stretching it. The past 8 years have been the SEC's best years in the history of the conference. So, it could easily be argued that any success Donnan had was acoomplished against OVERALL easier competition. (Granted, the East was much tougher than it is right now)
However, when you look at his Bowls you should also consider the Bowls and competition. Donnan went to the Outback twice, Oahu and the Peach before the Peach was a major Bowl.
n short, neither Donnan or Richt is as bad has many make them out to be. I think Donnan's personality doomed him, which really isn't fair, either.
Posted on 12/3/14 at 7:09 am to Buddy2012
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Auburn was irrelevant for most of Donnan era.
We played them every year Donnan was there, not sure how that is irrelevant. Donnan had a losing record against them along with Tenn and Florida
He means they were not good.
Posted on 12/3/14 at 1:38 pm to DawgsLife
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Why would you do this? . . . You can't simply wipe away years to show a point.
The hell you can't. You can take away early years to show that past performance does not guarantee future results.
Germany and Japan did very well 1939-1942. Then they fell apart.
The South did very well 1861-1862. They couldn't maintain it.
The Soviet Union did very well 1945-1985. Then they fell apart.
The US had a pretty good run from 1776 to about 2000, but we've regressed considerably.
General Motors, Pan Am, Eastman Kodak, etc. - all of these companies were powerhouses, and are now either gone or on life support.
The Whigs were a major political party, right up to the point where they fell apart.
You can respect people and organizations for their past successes, but you need to focus on their current track record to get an idea of their value.
Posted on 12/3/14 at 1:58 pm to DawgsLife
Speaking of Auburn during the Donnan years, the 1999 Auburn game was the worst performance I have ever seen from a Georgia football and sort of sums up the Donnan-era. We were down 31-0 to a mediocre Auburn team before you could blink. That was the most miserable game I have ever sat through at Sanford Stadium.
Posted on 12/3/14 at 3:03 pm to Leghumper
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lost to Tech too many times
This. Losing to UF makes the fans angry. Losing to GT gets the coach fired.
Posted on 12/3/14 at 4:12 pm to GaBassFisher92
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the 1999 Auburn game was the worst performance I have ever seen from a Georgia football and sort of sums up the Donnan-era. We were down 31-0 to a mediocre Auburn team before you could blink.
Which kinda puts it on par with the bowl game against West Virginia, or the blowout by South Carolina....
Not being able to score a touchdown against UCF would have to be up there, too.
Posted on 12/3/14 at 4:21 pm to FaCubeItches
the UF home game was the worst game ever... I sat til the end...
Posted on 12/3/14 at 4:40 pm to FaCubeItches
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bowl game against West Virginia
That was the first UGA game I ever went to, and it was really the first time I can remember a Richt team having one of those games where they didn't get off the bus. There were a lot of those under Donnan, most notably the 1998 clunker vs UT.
That Sugar Bowl loss to WVU was really, really embarrassing.
This post was edited on 12/3/14 at 4:42 pm
Posted on 12/3/14 at 5:33 pm to FaCubeItches
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Which kinda puts it on par with the bowl game against West Virginia, or the blowout by South Carolina....
The difference was, that '99 Auburn team was bad in every sense of the word. Less than a couple of minutes into the 2nd half we were down 38-0 to a team that beat both Idaho and Appalachian State by less than a touchdown and was averaging something like 20 ppg in conference play. I'm not sure if Ben Leard threw an incomplete pass the entire night.
West Virginia was underrated by the press and we finally showed up and made that a game. We laid an egg against South Carolina, but at least they were an 11-2 team and the game was on the road. I've seen some head-scratching performances from Georgia teams, but nothing matches that Auburn game.
This post was edited on 12/3/14 at 5:36 pm
Posted on 12/3/14 at 5:55 pm to GaBassFisher92
UGA really wasn't that good in 1999 though........
Posted on 12/3/14 at 6:30 pm to DawgsLife
Did you know that over the last 5 seasons, Richt is 21-21 vs Bowl eligible teams? This means Richt is capitalizing on lesser opponents. I respect everyone's opinion, but it's hard to argue facts. We continue to under perform, yet we have a group of blind mice who reference a 10 year old accomplishment as a staple for continuity
Posted on 12/3/14 at 6:47 pm to VADawg
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UGA really wasn't that good in 1999 though........
Well.... that's true, but IMO that had more to do with coaching than because of a dearth in talent. The 1999 offense was good enough for the era but the defense was scary to watch, the secondary in particular was 2013-levels bad.
I remember the buzz heading into the season about Kevin Ramsey and the defense. Ramsey was hyped as one of the biggest up-and-coming coaches in the business and Donnan actually demoted Joe Kines to bring him in as defensive-coordinator. As bad as Willie Martinez was, I'd take him any day over Kevin Ramsey.
The beginning of Donnan's undoing was his decision to bring in Ramsey. The reality was that it was a move that wasn't necessary, Joe Kines was doing a solid job as DC.
Posted on 12/3/14 at 7:36 pm to Glory, Glory
There is NO DIFFERENCE, one coach that had a good winning % but never could get us over the top and now Richty, who's one and the same. He'll never get us there! Let's give him 10 more years of aww shucks, woulda coulda shoulda. That used to be the SCjr mantra but now that the Old Ballsack has made Richty his wipping bitch (ala Goff) and won 4 outta the last 5, UGA is the woulda,coulda shoulda school! It sucks!
Posted on 12/3/14 at 10:19 pm to Remington Dawg
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There is NO DIFFERENCE, one coach that had a good winning % but never could get us over the top and now Richty, who's one and the same. He'll never get us there! Let's give him 10 more years of aww shucks, woulda coulda shoulda. That used to be the SCjr mantra but now that the Old Ballsack has made Richty his wipping bitch (ala Goff) and won 4 outta the last 5, UGA is the woulda,coulda shoulda school! It sucks!
You clearly do not remember what it was like to go into a season and know off the bat that there was no way we were beating UF, UT, and Auburn and Tech was going to be tough. The 1997 Florida game is known as "Finally". You people have no fricking clue...
Posted on 12/3/14 at 10:41 pm to Peter Buck
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You people have no fricking clue...
I certainly do. There was decade+ stretch where I honestly didn't give a shite enough to PLAN on watching a game. If I was somewhere that I could take the time to watch, then I certainly would, and I definitely cheered them on.
If there is one thing that I can praise Richt for (and to a lesser extent, Donnan) it is because he did restore hope, and (for at least part of the season) a sense that we could compete at the highest level and expect to win without appearing batshit insane to other fan bases for doing so.
The Goff years were an abortion that I pretend never existed (ESPECIALLY that '92 team that went 10-2; WASTED talent). Donnan did light a fire that didn't exist previously, but I always got the feeling that he was a Zook-type coach, in that he was more of a buddy to them, and not heavy into discipline (Carter was a nightmare for us, and we all know about the coke issues with the team), leading to inconsistent play. Richt took Donnan players and added a few of his own, and by year two produced a 13-1 squad.
Richt has been, at the very least, our best coach since Dooley. But that doesn't mean that he gets a pass. No, he gets my thanks for making UGA football enjoyable again, and my disgust at his inability to have both cereal AND milk in the same season. Excuses abound for Richt, and I understand why: it's BECAUSE the fans remember what came before that he gets the pass.
But I'm a greedy mofo, and when a train keeps stopping in Las Vegas and I'm trying to get to Los Angeles, well, I get off and find a train that can get me to my destination...
That's what I realized that night in January '06: Richt will almost get you there. Almost. But his real sin is that even though he knows he won't get you there, the bastard tricks you into believing that he will...
Posted on 12/3/14 at 10:53 pm to HellRaisingDawg
Gamblers got Donnan...allegedly...
This post was edited on 12/3/14 at 10:54 pm
Posted on 12/4/14 at 5:36 am to FaCubeItches
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Germany and Japan did very well 1939-1942. Then they fell apart.
The South did very well 1861-1862. They couldn't maintain it.
The Soviet Union did very well 1945-1985. Then they fell apart.
So...you are saying you wipe out thos early years and just say they fell apart and were never very good? Fine. We can play this game. Let's wipe out Richt's bad years. See? he is the greatest coach that ever lived.
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You can respect people and organizations for their past successes, but you need to focus on their current track record to get an idea of their value.
I also understand that, but in 2007 (I think) and 2012 we were an eyelash from winning it all. It's not like Richt has not beensuccessful lately. He has come closer than Les Miles has in the last 4 years. Closer than Urban Meyer, and many other coaches used to show the inferiority of Richt. The only coach that has come closer than Richt in the SEC is Saban and Malzahn, and Richt came closer than Malzahn this year.
Posted on 12/4/14 at 5:38 am to GaBassFisher92
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We were down 31-0 to a mediocre Auburn team before you could blink. That was the most miserable game I have ever sat through at Sanford Stadium.
Don't get me wrong, because I am a Richt booster....but the same could be said about us verses South Carolina a couple of years ago (Although they were a good team) and Florida this year.
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