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Donnan vs. Richt
Posted on 11/30/14 at 10:21 am
Posted on 11/30/14 at 10:21 am
Forgive me in advance, I wasn’t old enough to appreciate UGA football during the Donnan tenure. I know this thread will get blasted, but when someone complains about Richt, the Goff and Donnan days are always mentioned as the low points of Georgia football. I’ll give you the Goff era, but is Richt really that much different than Donnan? The overall numbers will be skewed somewhat because the number of years coaching, but nonetheless:
Donnan (96-’00)
40-19 (.678 winning %)
AVG record = 8 wins - 3.8 losses
4-0 Bowls
4 top 25 finishes in 5 years (80%)
***This done in an era when the SEC East (Florida and Tennessee) was the premier division in CF.
Richt (’01-Current)
135-48 (.738 winning %)
AVG record = 9.64 wins - 3.43 losses
8-5 Bowls
10 top 25 finishes in 14 years (71% ***2014 outstanding)
***5 SEC East titles
***2 SEC Conference titles (last 2005)
If you take away Richt’s first few years, are things that much different? Why did Donnan not get a pass? Since 2008, UGA has finished in the AP top 25 only 2 times. During this time, the East division has been historically bad. Are we giving Richt the benefit of the doubt based on an accomplishment (SEC Tittle) from 2005?
This is not a knock on Richt, he has done some amazing things at UGA. But I do believe we are better than the 9-3 AVG record. I think some UGA fans are apprehensive of change. We’ve seen UT and UF turn into dumpster fires, so I understand. But UGA is better than the 9-3 AVG record. Do we accept that UGA will always be good, but never great under CMR? Or does change enable greatness? Enjoy your Sunday
Go Dawgs
Donnan (96-’00)
40-19 (.678 winning %)
AVG record = 8 wins - 3.8 losses
4-0 Bowls
4 top 25 finishes in 5 years (80%)
***This done in an era when the SEC East (Florida and Tennessee) was the premier division in CF.
Richt (’01-Current)
135-48 (.738 winning %)
AVG record = 9.64 wins - 3.43 losses
8-5 Bowls
10 top 25 finishes in 14 years (71% ***2014 outstanding)
***5 SEC East titles
***2 SEC Conference titles (last 2005)
If you take away Richt’s first few years, are things that much different? Why did Donnan not get a pass? Since 2008, UGA has finished in the AP top 25 only 2 times. During this time, the East division has been historically bad. Are we giving Richt the benefit of the doubt based on an accomplishment (SEC Tittle) from 2005?
This is not a knock on Richt, he has done some amazing things at UGA. But I do believe we are better than the 9-3 AVG record. I think some UGA fans are apprehensive of change. We’ve seen UT and UF turn into dumpster fires, so I understand. But UGA is better than the 9-3 AVG record. Do we accept that UGA will always be good, but never great under CMR? Or does change enable greatness? Enjoy your Sunday
Go Dawgs
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Posted on 11/30/14 at 10:25 am to Glory, Glory
Why didn't Donnan get another coaching opportunity? Answer that and you will know...
Posted on 11/30/14 at 10:27 am to Peter Buck
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Why didn't Donnan get another coaching opportunity? Answer that and you will know..
I have no clue. But we’re talking about a coach who was inducted into the College Football HOF in 2009
Posted on 11/30/14 at 10:30 am to Glory, Glory
Really if you're going to compare numbers like this, you have to account for the 12th game added to the schedule.
So Richt would average 8.64 wins with the 11 game schedule.
So Richt would average 8.64 wins with the 11 game schedule.
Posted on 11/30/14 at 10:38 am to Glory, Glory
Donnan's three straight losses to GT are why he didn't get a pass.
Posted on 11/30/14 at 10:44 am to VADawg
But why didnt anyone else hire him after uga?
Not uab, not troy, etc
Not uab, not troy, etc
This post was edited on 11/30/14 at 10:46 am
Posted on 11/30/14 at 11:03 am to Glory, Glory
lost to Tech too many times
Posted on 11/30/14 at 11:06 am to JCdawg
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So Richt would average 8.64 wins with the 11 game schedule.
Hahaha. Nice. You presume we play it out the same with 11 games? Maybe we don't play Clemson, Arizona State, OK State, Boise State those years......maybe we win a MNC because we are endured for 11 games instead of 12
Posted on 11/30/14 at 11:18 am to Glory, Glory
Because Richt has 2 SEC Titles and has produced national title caliber teams you fricking retard
Posted on 11/30/14 at 11:27 am to dawgfan24348
At least the guy who started the thread admitted it and pretty much said it all.
Anyone who would ever suggest that Coach Richt and Donnan's careers are comparable isn't old enough to vividly remember Georgia in the '90s. Usually people gradually look at the past in a more fond way and human beings remember the good things and are more likely to remember the bad.
But I'm here to tell you that the mid and late '90s were straight goofy and not good for Georgia football fans.
Anyone who would ever suggest that Coach Richt and Donnan's careers are comparable isn't old enough to vividly remember Georgia in the '90s. Usually people gradually look at the past in a more fond way and human beings remember the good things and are more likely to remember the bad.
But I'm here to tell you that the mid and late '90s were straight goofy and not good for Georgia football fans.
Posted on 11/30/14 at 1:56 pm to Glory, Glory
how many SEC championships did Donnan win vs Richt? What was Donnan's record vs Tennessee, Florida, Auburn and GT vs Richt's? Who was Donnan's best RB recruits vs Richt's?
Donnan did well with Goff recruits including Seymour and Stroud who had already committed to Goff. Also little brothers of other UGA players such as Sticnhomb and Bailey. Donnan gave us Olandis Gary and Musa Smith. Richt gave us Moreno, Gurley and Chubb.
Donnan's numbers are misleading he had a horrible record against our key rivals.
Donnan did well with Goff recruits including Seymour and Stroud who had already committed to Goff. Also little brothers of other UGA players such as Sticnhomb and Bailey. Donnan gave us Olandis Gary and Musa Smith. Richt gave us Moreno, Gurley and Chubb.
Donnan's numbers are misleading he had a horrible record against our key rivals.
Posted on 11/30/14 at 2:55 pm to Buddy2012
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Donnan's numbers are misleading he had a horrible record against our key rivals.
In all fairness, to compare your key rivals in the Richt era vs the Donnan era is laughable.
Other than the Tebow led '08 & '09 Florida teams, Richt has not faced a UF, UT, or GT team that even sniffed the same level as those Donnan faced. I'm sure had Donnan been granted another year or two he probably would have faired ok vs Zook, Chan Gailey, and a self imploding Phil Fulmer.
Posted on 11/30/14 at 3:11 pm to dawgfan24348
Next year will be the ten year anniversary of our last conference championship and I highly doubt we will be sportin one at the end of it. Some may not see this as a national championship caliber program as you do.
Posted on 11/30/14 at 3:50 pm to MeatCleaverWeaver
South Carolina was irrelevant in the Donnan era.
Alabama was irrelevant for majority of Donnan era.
LSU was irrelevant for the Donnan era.
Auburn was irrelevant for most of Donnan era.
Florida was good won a NC with Chris Leak in '06 and was good until 2 years ago. They went 11-2 in Muschamps first season.
Richt hasn't won the BIG one. But he has won plenty of big games. The chips don't fall our way when we need em too, or we mess it up.
Compared to Donnan, Richt is UNQUESTIONABLY better. Like it's not even a question.
Richt is one of the few guys proving that a coach can stay at ONE program for longer than 10 years in CFB today and continually establish a winner (one losing season). I have been saying it for years and will continue to say it until we actually do turn the corner, get some luck, and win a NATTY.
And at that point I will stop, look around, and think back on the long winding journey that it has been for the Dawgs to be on top!
Go Dawgs!
Alabama was irrelevant for majority of Donnan era.
LSU was irrelevant for the Donnan era.
Auburn was irrelevant for most of Donnan era.
Florida was good won a NC with Chris Leak in '06 and was good until 2 years ago. They went 11-2 in Muschamps first season.
Richt hasn't won the BIG one. But he has won plenty of big games. The chips don't fall our way when we need em too, or we mess it up.
Compared to Donnan, Richt is UNQUESTIONABLY better. Like it's not even a question.
Richt is one of the few guys proving that a coach can stay at ONE program for longer than 10 years in CFB today and continually establish a winner (one losing season). I have been saying it for years and will continue to say it until we actually do turn the corner, get some luck, and win a NATTY.
And at that point I will stop, look around, and think back on the long winding journey that it has been for the Dawgs to be on top!
Go Dawgs!
Posted on 11/30/14 at 3:56 pm to DawgNation4
Oh and P.S.
Only coaches in SEC ahead of CMR in Total Wins are Saban and Spurrier
Only coaches in SEC ahead of CMR in percentage of wins is Saban
Only coaches in SEC ahead of CMR in Total Wins are Saban and Spurrier
Only coaches in SEC ahead of CMR in percentage of wins is Saban
Posted on 11/30/14 at 4:15 pm to Glory, Glory
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Do we accept that UGA will always be good, but never great
Its always been accepted as such, long before CRG,CJD, & CMR got here, you can even throw in CVD
Posted on 11/30/14 at 4:23 pm to Donkeypunch
6-14 against Tech, Florida, Tennessee and Auburn. A good number of those losses weren't even close.
Posted on 12/2/14 at 7:22 pm to Donkeypunch
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In all fairness, to compare your key rivals in the Richt era vs the Donnan era is laughable.
Because Donnan got his arse kicked recruiting in his own back yard by Fulmer and others. Georgia is a top 5 recruiting state but still, everyone cant get the best players much less get the most out of them
Posted on 12/2/14 at 7:24 pm to DawgNation4
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Auburn was irrelevant for most of Donnan era.
We played them every year Donnan was there, not sure how that is irrelevant. Donnan had a losing record against them along with Tenn and Florida
Posted on 12/2/14 at 11:04 pm to Buddy2012
I think when he coined them as irrelevant it was due to their lack of winning games maybe. Thats how i read it. Just sayin.
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