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Posted on 10/19/17 at 6:54 am to DawgFan85
Posted on 10/19/17 at 6:54 am to DawgFan85
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Absolutely on board with this. Our company doesn't hire anything but JW's and Apprentices, which is one reason were having a hard time fill positions.
The bigger company's are constantly hiring the CW's and CE's because it keeps their labor rates down and they don't have to pay benefits on them.
Which is exactly what rat shops do....have a couple of good hands and a bunch of unskilled guys who are being paid squat and are a danger to everyone and giving the customer crappy work that has to be reworked in a few years.
Inglett and Stubbs has bunches of them. A good many of them don't even know where Pulliam st is and never will.....and there reputation is suffering because of it.....I won't get into the details but they had an incident some time ago and there are piles of places they can't work in now. A shame because at one time they were headed into Cleveland / Dyna direction......now they are just the last rat shop standing with the bonding capacity to do big jobs.....
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Posted on 10/19/17 at 7:16 am to germandawg
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Which is exactly what rat shops do....have a couple of good hands and a bunch of unskilled guys who are being paid squat and are a danger to everyone and giving the customer crappy work that has to be reworked in a few years.
Exactly right, and it makes it hard for company's that do it the right way to compete.
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Inglett and Stubbs has bunches of them.
It's not just them, there's a lot of the big boys in Atlanta that have them.
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reputation is suffering
and they don't care because its all about the money and not a quality install by craftsman.
Posted on 10/19/17 at 8:19 am to deeprig9
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Having same problem. I have half a mind to quit my job and pull out my low voltage license and go make a quick couple hundred grand. Problem is I'm not as young as I used to be. By the time I subbed it out to young bucks, I wouldn't be making any more money than I make now sitting at my desk fricking around on Dawgrant.
I started with a small company cabling all BB&T's banks when they started expanding into GA in 2000 to 2010. When the economy died I went and got an associates in CM for some dumb reason, then ended up back IT infrastructure at SCDOT with surveillance, got my bachelors in business from VSU, now back in Atlanta with a small company involved in many ITS projects across Georgia. There is lots of money in ITS right now.
Posted on 10/19/17 at 8:25 am to germandawg
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To be completely honest though the growth in the industry is going to be skilled tradesmen. There are billions of dollars of projects around the country not starting due to a severe shortage of tradesmen. Welders in NM are making 6 figures a year......and it ain't unusual. There are IBEW locals on the west coast with scales of $60+ an hour in your pocket plus a couple of hundred dollars per diem and 15% in your pension plus a helluva Union retirement plan. Time and a half over 8 everyday and Saturdays and double time on Sunday. Several locals in need of hundreds of hands RIGHT NOW.....calls going Unfilled everyday. It ain't unheard of for an IBEW electrician to make $150k a year in wages building solar farms on the west coast It ain't easy work but it's much easier today...and infinitely safer...than it was when I went into the trades.
This is why kids should be able to get certified in a trade in highschool. We don't need free college, we need high schools that prepare kids for the working world, and tradesman are what we need. If you told a kid he could potentially make 20-40 an hour out of highschool...
Posted on 10/19/17 at 8:34 am to JCdawg
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This is why kids should be able to get certified in a trade in highschool. We don't need free college, we need high schools that prepare kids for the working world, and tradesman are what we need. If you told a kid he could potentially make 20-40 an hour out of highschool...
Our company is heavily involved with cellular directional amplifiers in Metro Atlanta and it's virtually impossible to find kids in their 20's that are skilled or even want to do with the work and we desperately need them.We have multiple projects that we
are subbing out.
Posted on 10/19/17 at 8:52 am to DoubleDawg22
I'm a project manager for a large commercial GC here in NC. We do about 400 mil between our 3 offices each year what questions you got?
Posted on 10/19/17 at 8:56 am to NCdawgfan34
Would love to have a private conversation with you.
Posted on 10/19/17 at 9:06 am to Peter Buck
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I'm still not convinced that some of them were not some sort of errrrrrrr, never mind. Let's just say they are very secure down to not easily seen from the road and essentially having moats around them.
That's all smoke and mirrors. They get audited and rated by various organizations on a variety of factors, physical security being one of them, and then customers base their leasing decisions on those rankings. Building a moat gets you more customers because yours is more secure than the one across the tracks without a moat.
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and yes, there are 10s of millions of sqft of them between Greenville and Charlottle.
They follow train tracks. That's where the fiber is buried.
Where you have old railroad terminus locations, such as downtown Atlanta, you also have clusters of millions of sq ft of data centers. Dallas, Charlotte, other locations.
Posted on 10/19/17 at 9:22 am to JCdawg
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This is why kids should be able to get certified in a trade in highschool. We don't need free college, we need high schools that prepare kids for the working world, and tradesman are what we need. If you told a kid he could potentially make 20-40 an hour out of highschool...
I don't know....citizens need education...not that they are getting it but they need it...and the state has no business training tradesmen....or licensing them, but that's another subject....the trades do a great job training apprentices....the OJT is the important part and it is tough to impossible on a part time baisis....plus an industrial site or a construction site is no place for a kid without the capacity to excercise judgement. Education geared at getting a kid ready for an apprenticeship in a trade should definitely be readily available though
Posted on 10/19/17 at 9:26 am to deeprig9
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Where you have old railroad terminus locations, such as downtown Atlanta,
Huge data center in old downtown Macy's/Rich's building.
Posted on 10/19/17 at 9:27 am to germandawg
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I don't know....citizens need education...not that they are getting it but they need it...and the state has no business training tradesmen....or licensing them, but that's another subject....the trades do a great job training apprentices....the OJT is the important part and it is tough to impossible on a part time baisis....plus an industrial site or a construction site is no place for a kid without the capacity to excercise judgement. Education geared at getting a kid ready for an apprenticeship in a trade should definitely be readily available though
If we stopped giving away free college to kids with a 1.9 GPA, we might have more people in the skilled trades.
The danger here, long term.... the skilled trade vacuum will be filled, whether it is by our own youth or somebody else's youth.
Posted on 10/19/17 at 9:29 am to RD Dawg
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Huge data center in old downtown Macy's/Rich's building.
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Every "abandoned" building/warehouse (old rail depots) on Marietta street is a data center.
ETA if you want to find every data center in ATL (or anywhere), look for the buildings with all this shite on top.
This post was edited on 10/19/17 at 9:55 am
Posted on 10/19/17 at 8:16 pm to DoubleDawg22
Pm me and we will talk
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