re: Are Mark Fox and Mark Richt all that different?

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Tubby hauled at the first chance he got

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tubby left to take the equivalent of the bama football job, so we aren't going to compete with that period. Throw in the fact adams/dooley were misers and there ya go

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Harrick got us into trouble

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he did, which sucked. What did he ultimately get in trouble for...his son adminstering a crappy test and a couple of paid for phoen calls? Big deal. I know it happened, but it's not like we took on a convicted rapist.


We've gotten GREAT coaches before, no reason we can't do it again.

WG - I love your passion. You care for the basketball program probably more than any other poster on here and you are well in tune with the program.

That being said, Richt became stagnant after inheriting a championship caliber team. Fox inherited the mess of Felton who only added to the mess after Harrick. The process has been slow in recruiting but as of next season we will have three 4* guys on the roster and the '18 and '19 classes have us legitimately fighting for more of those types of guys.

I think we are two years away from being really good but I am willing to be patient with Fox because he inherited guys like Chris Barnes, Albert Jackson, Ricky McPhee, and Dustin ware who were major contributors. These guys couldn't have played for anybody else In the SEC. We were worse than LSU and Mizzou are this year.

If Thompkins and Leslie return we have back to back tourney two years later and the recruiting would be better but we got screwed by two boneheaded decisions.

Sure Fox has missed on some recruits and it's slowed the process but we are getting better. Fox is slowly building the talent base to a strong level and then increasing it on a yearly basis.

When was the last time we brought in three 4*'s in two years?

I essentially said the same thing last year... He's a good not great coach who doesn't particularly recruit well. The idea that we have to be some great program in order to recruit well is ridiculous. Auburn was a shite show before Pearl took over and now they are getting talented recruiting classes. Whether he turns that into success is something else entirely.

Ultimately, no one is saying we should hire Pearl. But to say that Fox is as good as we can expect is ridiculous. You need a coach who is a dynamic personality that young kids want to come play for who doesn't mind living *on the edge* of the rules. Don't go over them, if you do don't lie, and for the most part all is fine. The beauty of UGA for basketball is expectations aren't terribly high and the schedule in the SEC is pretty favorable. If a team like a Clemson or FSU can make the tournament every other year or so in the last decade while playing in the ACC, I see no reason that UGA shouldn't be able to achieve something similar playing in the SEC (unarguably an easier conference) but it would indeed take a commitment from the administration to actually give a shite. (Yes the ACC gets more bids but they have more good teams as well. In the last decade 5.5/15 teams for the ACC make it on average and 4/14 teams from the SEC make it on average - I'd say it's easier to be top 4 in the SEC than it is to be top 6 in the ACC).

When Harrick was at UGA, the fans showed up. Fox's brand of basketball isn't terribly exciting. It's fairly predictable. It's what's given us the stability that has been talked about here... it's also what's led to the season ending outcomes we've seen. That's not a knock on Fox really, just that he's run his course here IMO.

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We are a slightly overweight, balding guy with an average job. Fox is as hot of a chick as we can expect to nail...

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...Sadly I agree with this...

Unfortunately we are stuck in a weird no-man's land with Fox. We should expect more but he's doing things that have never been done in our program before. We will probably just have to wait him out unless he makes a massive downturn.

Sucks. That dude was a stud, I watched him play several games.

It's going to take a lot more than what we're currently doing to change that perception.

I believe that if they stay on the path we will continue to see the base of talent rise. We had KCP and he was a top ten draft pick. It our talent base wasn't large enough to help him at the time. It's a slow process and Fox started at Ground Zero.

I want to keep Fox because I believe we have better days ahead and his plan will work.

I think many of the basketball posters on here are pretty hardcore about basketball and would go nuts at the games, I sure did at Tech, but our basketball fan base sucks!

Rock chalk and I agree that we are but we believe if we get rid of fox that we are keeping what we are capable of further down the road whereas if we keep fox that capability will become a reality.