re: Al Golden fired by Miami

There is no logic.

Putting aside personal opinions on CMR, do you honestly think CMR's performance is as bad as Golden's?

I'm on the fence about Richt. I wouldn't be devastated if we fired him. But comparing Golden to Richt is extremely disingenuous.

Golden's record at Miami
2011 6-6
2012 7-4
2013 9-4
2014 6-7


Richt's record over the same period
2011 10-4
2012 12-2
2013 8-5
2014 10-3

Miami was a mess when he was hired, but they've also played a considerably easier schedule so let's call that a wash.

Richt is a far better coach. That doesn't mean we should or shouldn't keep him, but the comparison to Golden is absurd.

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it is just the logic is faulty and ill applied.

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You're a moron because you think you're using logic.

Miami has been exponentially worse than UGA. They have topped out at 9 wins since 2006, and have only accomplished that twice. In a conference that makes the SEC East look like a minefield.

There is no comparison. This is worse than those idiotic comparisons to the University of Texas.

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You're a moron because you think you're using logic.

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Try reading this slowly.

I did not compare programs. You compared programs. It is about the status of the programs but using the agreement made in defense of Richt by many Richt supporters which is you can't fire him because it could be worse. If you apply that to Golden, that situation could also be worse, so you can't fire him either, understand?

What you are trying to get to is the status of the program should be determining factor of the status of the coach. And that is correct. Not the fear factor and not what will the recruits do. Golden has recruits too. You have to do what is in the best interest of the program. It could always be worse.

You are apparently content with losing on average 3 games a year, not winning SECs or being in the hunt for NCs. That is OK. You are content with that. But call it what it is.

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Yeah it should. But according to many on this board, there is NO way Golden should be fired (I am must applying their logic here) because it could be worse.

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And using the logic from others on this board, he should have been fired after his first loss.

Surely you aren't comparing Golden's record with Richts, right? I DO remember some on here saying they wished he would come to UGA, because he had done such a great job of turning Miami around. He was the next big thing in college football. Funny how difficult it is to win over a period of years as opposed to one or two years. I say that, because some on here are pointing at McIlwaine as a reason Richt should be fired. Why don't we give him a couple more years before we crown him the savior of Florida. A couple of years ago everybody was pointing to Malzahn....Auburn looks like a complete implosion right now.

I'm not a Golden fan whatsoever, but the NCAA dropped the hammer on Miami immediately after he was hired. Dude never had a chance there.

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I'll tell you what. You name the programs that changed coaches and saw major improvement and I'll name the ones that sunk into oblivion...or at least got worse. Let's see who wins.

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Every program without exception has made coaching changes that bettered the program and coaching changes that worsened the program. Without exception. Bama - Shula worse, Saban better, UGA - Goff worse, Donnan better, Florida - Zook worse, Meyer better, etc, etc, etc.

Your point must be that most changes are for the worst so don't you dare make one, it probably be worse.

Donnan did not get the program where the admins wanted it to be. In spite of the dreaded "it could be worse" phobia, they made a move and got Richt. I bet their knees were shaking plenty. Richt gets them where they think the program should be. Apparently you too are content with that. Good. That is your prerogative.

But call it what it is. They are satisfied with the results, hence no change. Miami wasn't satisfied with the results, hence that change. That is what it is about, not the phobia. Every program has its goals. Bama's is national championships. Ours is middle tier SEC.

If ADs adhered to the phobia, there would only be coaching changes when a coach quit, retired or died and Golden would still be at Miami.

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they'd be ecstatic to wake up tomorrow and discover that Richt had been hired at the U

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I would be ecstatic too.

Bama fans would not share that emotion if he replaced Saban.

It is all about where you are and where you want to be.

The fear factor should not enter into it.

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I'll tell you what. You name the programs that changed coaches and saw major improvement and I'll name the ones that sunk into oblivion...or at least got worse. Let's see who wins.

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Whopper already said it, but UGA improved a lot from 2002-2005 as compared to 1997-2000, and now we are back to the 97-00 style results.