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re: 8-4 Isn't All That Bad
Posted on 11/29/16 at 7:54 am to RD Dawg
Posted on 11/29/16 at 7:54 am to RD Dawg
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Not even close to the same schedule
What was so substantially different about that schedule?
SECW Opponents: Arky, OM (neither very good), AU (lost)
Non-conference opponents: GT, Houston, Arkansas St., BC (not particularly good, lost)
It's not like it was some absurd gauntlet.
My point was there was a lot of growth between year 1 and year 2. I expect that to happen again.
This post was edited on 11/29/16 at 7:55 am
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Posted on 11/29/16 at 8:53 am to Crowknowsbest
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What was so substantially different about that schedule?
Huh?SC,UT and UF all ended up ranked in the top 14
in '01...including 2 top 5
After all is said and done I highly doubt we'll have
one on our schedule (final ranking)
Not seeing the difference between playing 3 top 14 teams and zero?
SECw opponents: OM (horrible)AU (about same) and we'll substitute Mizzou (horrible) for Arky in '01 (weren't bad and played OU tight in the cotton bowl)
This post was edited on 11/29/16 at 9:07 am
Posted on 11/29/16 at 9:06 am to RD Dawg
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Huh?SC,UT and UF all ended up ranked in the top 14
in '01...including 2 top 5
We lost to 2/3 of them as well as BC and AU.
My point isn't that this season was satisfactory or even acceptable. It's that I expect we'll get a lot better next season. If we don't, that will be a major red flag long term.
Posted on 11/29/16 at 9:22 am to Crowknowsbest
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We lost to 2/3 of them as well as BC and AU.
Correct but were talking SOS and you want to compare losing to a top 5 and top 13 to who we lost to this year? BC also ended up being ranked in the top 25 and
AU ended up 7-5 and we certainly weren't favored in the game.
The defense should be vastly improved next year and we should see it immediately.If not we'll know the team and progran are in a very bad place.
Posted on 11/29/16 at 3:49 pm to meansonny
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You're soft. I'm sure that our coaching staff stays up late at night worried about if you are encouraged or not.
Drink some whiskey and let manhood have a turn.
So, you are a lot tougher if you can take 7-5 and be happy with it?
I guess there is a certain logic to that.
Posted on 11/29/16 at 3:54 pm to meansonny
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And he got fired because his ceiling was 10 wins and getting worse.
Getting worse? His 15 year average was 9.7 wins. His last 5 average was 9.8. How is that getting worse?
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Our best players are young. So long as they aren't processed, and we keep loading up behind them we will get better.
I agree.
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But we will have Gaillard playing a new position. Wynn playing a new position. Wynn needs a replacement at LG. Gaillard needs a replacement at RG. And someone needs to kick out at RT.
If they are, then that is on the coaches. They should have been playing at their normal position THIS year and getting experience.
Posted on 11/29/16 at 4:01 pm to RD Dawg
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Arky in '01 (weren't bad and played OU tight in the cotton bowl)
off topic but that still hacks me off a bit. We had a better record than Arkansas (8-3 compared to 7-4) and we beat them head to head, yet they got the Outback against Oklahoma while we got MCB. No way they should have gotten a better bowl than us.
Posted on 11/29/16 at 4:02 pm to DawgsLife
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If they are, then that is on the coaches. They should have been playing at their normal position THIS year and getting experience.
If we didn't play guys out of position, we wouldn't have any tackles on the field
Posted on 11/29/16 at 4:44 pm to Crowknowsbest
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If we didn't play guys out of position, we wouldn't have any tackles on the field
I meant the players that are returning. I will be surprised if we don't have 2 freshmen starting on the OL next year.
Posted on 11/29/16 at 5:41 pm to WG_Dawg
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yet they got the Outback against Oklahoma while we got MCB. No way they should have gotten a better bowl than us.
Thought it was the Cotton but the MSB and playing BC was about the last place the team wanted to be in '01.
Posted on 11/30/16 at 8:14 pm to DawgsLife
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So, you are a lot tougher if you can take 7-5 and be happy with it?
Honestly... would you take 7-6 in 2016, 9-4 on 2017, and 12-1 in 2018?
Posted on 11/30/16 at 8:22 pm to DawgsLife
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Getting worse? His 15 year average was 9.7 wins. His last 5 average was 9.8. How is that getting worse
9-14 against ranked teams in those 5 years. Do you think that was trending for the better or worse versus the previous 10?(cfbstats.com) As I said, UAB transfers were leading tacklers for Richt. UVA 2nd string was starting QB. This season, a Rhode Island transfer is playing the most important spot on the OL. These aren't jucos fighting grades to play. This is trending down in talent.
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They should have been playing at their normal position THIS year and getting experience.
Then why take catalina? Why not lose more games by playing guys who aren't ready (cleveland). We fielded the best 5 and if anyone else wanted to play, they needed to play better. Practice matters to this staff. In the long run, that will make us tougher.
This post was edited on 11/30/16 at 8:23 pm
Posted on 11/30/16 at 11:24 pm to meansonny
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Rhode Island transfer is playing the most important spot on the OL. These aren't jucos fighting grades to play.
And Florida had a transfer for Fordham starting at LT last year after Boom had 3 top 10 recruiting years.
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9-14 against ranked teams in those 5 years.
Better record than Petrino or Dabo in the same period...we can go on and on with cherry picking of the numbers
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) As I said, UAB transfers were leading tacklers for Richt. UVA 2nd string was starting QB. This seaso
WGAS?We also had a LB taken in the top 10 of the NFL draft and a top 10 defense.
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practice matters to this staff
What does this even mean?It didn't matter to the previous staff?And it makes us tougher?How so?
This team was mentally weak from the start of the season
and showed no improvement.
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talent was trending down
Actually it wasn't...had the entire '16 class stayed intact '14,'15 and '16 would have been our best 3 consecutive recruiting years since CMR has been here.
This probably had more to do with CJP than CMR though.
This post was edited on 12/1/16 at 8:18 am
Posted on 12/1/16 at 5:57 am to RD Dawg
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And Florida had a transfer for Fordham starting at LT last year after Boom had 3 top 10 recruiting years
Florida's offensive line has sucked too. Beating us does not make them a good team. Their levels right now are on part with Richt. And Richt got fired.
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What does this even mean?It didn't matter to the previous staff?And it makes us tougher?How so?
This team was mentally weak from the start of the season
and showed no improvement.
It means that Tim Kimbrough thought he should play because he was a senior. Our team didn't start Tent Thompson because someone out worked him. From game to game, this might not mean much. But over 2 seasons of practice, this approach gets more from its team (than from the previous staff).
There is talent on the '15 class. And they are out shining a lot of upper-classmen. If Smart can keep this group together and not pull a Butch (who didn't retain a lot of his freshmen contributors), we will be a much stronger team in 2018 with the '15, '16, 17, and '18 classes under our belt.
Posted on 12/1/16 at 7:40 am to meansonny
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Honestly... would you take 7-6 in 2016, 9-4 on 2017, and 12-1 in 2018?
Absolutely would. that would be showing steady improvement.
However, the only year that was mentioned was this year.
Posted on 12/1/16 at 7:50 am to meansonny
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9-14 against ranked teams in those 5 years.
And one very near miss for a National Championship. You have to beat the teams you should beat in order to contend. But why in the world would you say we were trending worse when we were averaging better records? SLIGHTLY better records, but better nonetheless.
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As I said, UAB transfers were leading tacklers for Richt.
So, what's the point? Had we won the National Championship would having a UAB transfer leading the team in tackles somehow make that invalid? Shall we go over the countless number of small school players that have made it big in the NFL? Jerry Rice?
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Then why take catalina?
Man! You just got through talking about how bad Catalina is because he is from Rhode Island, now you are going to argue that we should be playing him, instead of giving younger players an opportunity? If Catalina is bad, why not play the guy who is projected to play LT next year, if he is on the roster, and give him reps/experience. Instead Kirby is going to put him in a new position next year with no experience? Does that sound like good coaching to you? Were we trying to salvage a 7-5 season? We can lose with players who will not be here next year, or we can lose with younger players and give them experience. If the younger guys are not putting forth effort, then we need to run them off.
This post was edited on 12/1/16 at 7:51 am
Posted on 12/1/16 at 7:58 am to meansonny
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Florida's offensive line has sucked too. Beating us does not make them a good team.
They didn't just beat us. They beat LSU and a lot of other pretty good teams. They won the East two years in a row.
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It means that Tim Kimbrough thought he should play because he was a senior.
There are a lot of seniors for a lot of teams (Including Alabama) that think they should start. Kimbrough was one of our leading tacklers the year before. That's why he thought he should be playing.
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Our team didn't start Tent Thompson because someone out worked him.
Thompson didn't start because he was a freshman playing one of the most physically demanding positions on the team.
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we will be a much stronger team in 2018 with the '15, '16, 17, and '18 classes under our belt.
We had better be a much better team in 2017, or he will be on the hot seat in 2018.
Posted on 12/1/16 at 12:01 pm to DawgsLife
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They won the East two years in a row.
Tallest midget award. Florida has not been good the past 2 seasons. Mizzou was not good in 2014. UGA was not good in 2011.
Agree to disagtee on 100% of the rest of your post. Thompson was a sophomore this year and benched for a freshman for a 1st half. And it was because of effort in practice. Kimbrough was spoiled and entitled. It is obvious from his twitter. If he had any of that attitude while at UGA, then we are lucky he is gone.
If 2018 leads to an SEC Championship (and not a 10-4 SEC East title), do you really give a damn whether we have 3 or 4 losses in '17?
This post was edited on 12/1/16 at 12:02 pm
Posted on 12/1/16 at 1:39 pm to meansonny
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Tallest midget award.
That makes us what? We aren't even the tallest midget. Wouldn't you at least like to be the tallest midget with opportunity to grow?
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Thompson was a sophomore this year and benched for a freshman for a 1st half. And it was because of effort in practice.
I honestly don't rememeber him being benched, and certainly don't remember anything being said about him giving subpar effort in practice. Where did you see this? Not saying you are wrong...just saying I don't recall that being said.
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Kimbrough was spoiled and entitled. It is obvious from his twitter.
I don't think being 3rd on the team in tackles and expecting to be first string at your position is spoiled or entitled. now, if he was giving poor effort in practice, that would be different. But, I didn't see that, either. I was under the impression that the coaches thought we had better talent and put in second string. Again...not saying you are wrong. just saying I didn't see any of this. Did you see where a coach said this, or are you speculating?
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If 2018 leads to an SEC Championship (and not a 10-4 SEC East title), do you really give a damn whether we have 3 or 4 losses in '17?
Yes. We should see BIG improvement in 2017. And can you guarantee we will a SEC Championship in 2018? If not, then in 2017 I will be very unhappy with 4 losses.
Posted on 12/1/16 at 1:53 pm to DawgsLife
quote:Trent talked about it in an interview after the Auburn (I think) game.
I honestly don't rememeber him being benched, and certainly don't remember anything being said about him giving subpar effort in practice. Where did you see this? Not saying you are wrong...just saying I don't recall that being said.
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