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re: Sumlin's decisiveness

Posted on 12/3/15 at 10:18 am to
Posted by ShaneTheLegLechler
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Posted on 12/3/15 at 10:18 am to
I've also felt that with the new stadium and money in the program (just from the facilities) that there are people behind it now who aren't fricking around. Sumlin will win and fill that stadium or we will find someone who will
Posted by Old Sarge
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Posted on 12/3/15 at 10:21 am to
quote:

Penn State's sanctions were bad but got neutered this year.



And what they did was 1 million times worse than paying players
Posted by ShaneTheLegLechler
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Posted on 12/3/15 at 10:24 am to
Oh for sure. Not trying to compare them at all, just talking about the biggest NCAA punishments that have been handed down recently
Posted by Old Sarge
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Posted on 12/3/15 at 10:26 am to
And I agree with you, I also think the full weight of the sec will ensure punishments are light. Too many $$$ at stake for the conference as a whole
Posted by Warrior Poet
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Member since Sep 2011
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Posted on 12/3/15 at 10:28 am to
I'm sorry some of that may be true and I would not be shocked, but the AD and the HC have a contentious relationship in just about every major athletic program in the country. That's in large part because the HC doesn't really report to the AD, he reports to the BOR and in reality the boosters. So AD insiders criticizing the head coach is nothing but commonplace.

Posted by Chill98
Member since Aug 2015
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Posted on 12/5/15 at 11:13 pm to
I'm don't think he is decisive. I think they are stubborn. They stayed committed to the run even after James White got injured. We were "handcuffed" by having only 1 scholarship running back, but they forced the issue. ESPN said we had the fewest runs of 10+ yards in the whole SEC.
Posted by Chill98
Member since Aug 2015
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Posted on 12/5/15 at 11:13 pm to
I'm don't think he is decisive. I think they are stubborn. They stayed committed to the run even after James White got injured. We were "handcuffed" by having only 1 scholarship running back, but they forced the issue. ESPN said we had the fewest runs of 10+ yards in the whole SEC.
Posted by greenbastard
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Member since Feb 2014
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Posted on 12/5/15 at 11:42 pm to
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ESPN said we had the fewest runs of 10+ yards in the whole SEC.


ESPN is talking out of their arse. We were tied with BAMA at #4 (yes, I'm shocked too) before the sec championship game in total rush plays (72) that earned 10+ yards.

But then again, we were the only team not to have a rushing play that resulted in a 50+ yard gain.
Posted by Asian Sensation
Athens, GA
Member since Nov 2014
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Posted on 12/10/15 at 10:08 am to
Roger, what's the deal with Christensen? Is he staying? His unit was clearly the worst, and he made almost the same amount of money as Spav. His recruiting is also subpar. He needs to go.

I'm curious as to why the OL was so terrible though. Was it DC's incompetence? Laziness? Bashing heads with Spav? All of the above?
Posted by CGSC Lobotomy
Member since Sep 2011
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Posted on 12/10/15 at 10:22 am to
The OL has been bad 2 years in a row. That's the offensive coordinator.
Posted by NanosTacoRun
Member since Jun 2015
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Posted on 12/10/15 at 12:21 pm to
I doubt they do anything with the position coaches until an OC is hired.
Posted by Asian Sensation
Athens, GA
Member since Nov 2014
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Posted on 12/10/15 at 2:42 pm to
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The OL has been bad 2 years in a row. That's the offensive coordinator.


You can't honestly believe this. BJ Anderson was a fraud who ruined our OL and lived off Sherman's players for his entire tenure at A&M. He should've been signing 3-4 OL every year, but he didn't. That's why we will have mostly freshmen and sophomores starting next year. On top of that, he was a worthless evaluator and even more worthless coach. Are you going to blame Spav for this?

Enter Dave Christensen. Our OL did not improve AT ALL throughout the year, and quite possibly regressed. Now, I'm not an OL expert, but the people who are coaches and former players all say that our OL technique is terrible. Furthermore, we would line up with wide splits that gave away 1) whether we were running or passing, and 2) if we were running, where the hole was supposed to be. That's not on your OC, that's on your OL coach. Have you even watched Keaton Sutherland this year? There were so many times when he had no idea who to block, as if he hadn't even been coached to recognize who to block. There were numerous times when we had 2 or 3 linemen blocking the same guy. That's coaching.

Now, Christensen liked to pull linemen, and we consistently pulled linemen and consistently failed. I don't know if trying it over and over and failing is on Christensen or Spav. But the stuff above is ALL on BJ and Christensen. Spav had nothing to do with terrible recruiting, terrible evaluations, terrible coaching, and terrible technique.
Posted by CGSC Lobotomy
Member since Sep 2011
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Posted on 12/10/15 at 2:46 pm to
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That's why we will have mostly freshmen and sophomores starting next year.


Are we sure we're going to have mostly freshmen and sophomores and not crappy upperclassmen for the sole reason that they are upperclassmen? Because that was a Sherman problem as well (starting worse players who were more senior)

Last year, we started 4 upperclassmen:

RS-Senior LT
RS-Senior LG
Junior C
RS-Junior RG
RS-Sophomore RT

This year, we started 4 upperclassmen:

RS-Junior LT
Freshman LG
Senior C
RS-Senior RG
RS-Junior RT

Got WORSE starting the same number of upperclassmen.
This post was edited on 12/10/15 at 2:53 pm
Posted by Asian Sensation
Athens, GA
Member since Nov 2014
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Posted on 12/10/15 at 2:55 pm to
Ifedi is going pro, and Matthews and Cheek are graduating. You're replacing 3/5 members. Gennessy will be the only upperclassmen. Koda Martin will be a redshirt sophomore, Sutherland will be a true sophomore, McCoy (I don't think we burned his shirt) will be a redshirt freshman, and Lanfear will be a true sophomore (we burned his shirt for a few meaningless snaps). That's your probable starting OL unless London can play. We literally don't have anyone else besides JJ Gus and Elbert. Stuckey is apparently done.
Posted by CGSC Lobotomy
Member since Sep 2011
80459 posts
Posted on 12/10/15 at 2:56 pm to
What about Tank?
Posted by tmc94
Member since Sep 2012
11559 posts
Posted on 12/10/15 at 2:58 pm to
Some of the generalities RK makes as well as omission of things he would definitely say if he knew, highlight to me he's not talking to people that make decisions. He's talking to disgruntled people that aren't part of the process.

And that's okay. Those people can have valid (and sometimes more valid than the decision maker) opinions. But they aren't always the most informed so you have to take it with a grain of salt.
Posted by Warrior Poet
Living Rent-Free in Baton Rouge
Member since Sep 2011
7956 posts
Posted on 12/10/15 at 2:59 pm to
Exactly.

My general opinion is take what the AD says about the HC with a grain of salt because they, especially ours for some reason, are absolutely full of shite 90% of the time and saying things based on a culture of dislike between the two groups
Posted by Asian Sensation
Athens, GA
Member since Nov 2014
742 posts
Posted on 12/10/15 at 3:06 pm to
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Got WORSE starting the same number of upperclassmen.


And you think that's somehow Jake Spavital's fault?? lol. We lost a first rounder (Ced), a fifth rounder (Harrison), and a guy who got invited to the combine (Gramling). They were all Sherman's guys. We replaced them with Gennessy, Cheek, and Sutherland.

Dave was left with a mess at OL, but he didn't make our OL better in any aspect. In fact, we very likely regressed, though it's hard to tell since our OL was terrible from the beginning of the season until the end. They tried to simplify things by moving toward more of a zone blocking scheme midseason, but that didn't work either. And then they continued to pull linemen, which repeatedly failed. If Dave could have shown improvement in his unit as the season progressed, I would be in favor of bringing him back. However, the reality is that his unit was terrible and never improved. Their technique and alignments were especially bad, and that's 100% on Dave.
Posted by CGSC Lobotomy
Member since Sep 2011
80459 posts
Posted on 12/10/15 at 7:00 pm to
Sumlin decisively fricked up to the point that Kyle Allen is now leaving.
Posted by Nguyening
SEMO
Member since Jun 2013
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Posted on 12/11/15 at 5:10 pm to
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RK makes as well as omission of things he would definitely say if he knew




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