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re: Our suckage is now very visable
Posted on 5/18/17 at 9:51 am to KSCC
Posted on 5/18/17 at 9:51 am to KSCC
That's certainly part of it. LSU is more of a cultural fit for many southern African Americans.
Also, they have no hang ups about whether or not recruiting aligns with the honor code etc.
We have deep pockets for stadiums etc, but when you want to "play the game" the pool of willing aggies gets more shallow.
While they have strong regional recruiting competition, they are it in state and there is a very strong sense of loyalty to the program throughout the population and media.
Also, they have no hang ups about whether or not recruiting aligns with the honor code etc.
We have deep pockets for stadiums etc, but when you want to "play the game" the pool of willing aggies gets more shallow.
While they have strong regional recruiting competition, they are it in state and there is a very strong sense of loyalty to the program throughout the population and media.
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Posted on 5/18/17 at 10:14 am to TxWadingFool
I disagree
We will win 9 and Sumlin will get an extension
We will win 9 and Sumlin will get an extension
Posted on 5/18/17 at 10:24 am to Nguyening
Well I don't know what else we could do to appeal to the Black high school athlete. AA Head Coach, Kanye blaring out of the tunnel, etc. Yes there's recruiting competition. There is for everyone. Ask LSU how many in-state studs they've lost to Bama.
Mainly I'm just at a loss as to what it will take for us to field a badass defense again. Even with Myles Garrett and Von Miller, we've been no better than 51 in total defense (2015) over the last 9 seasons. I think recruiting matters more on defense, but even when we win (signing Garrett) we still do jack with it.
Mainly I'm just at a loss as to what it will take for us to field a badass defense again. Even with Myles Garrett and Von Miller, we've been no better than 51 in total defense (2015) over the last 9 seasons. I think recruiting matters more on defense, but even when we win (signing Garrett) we still do jack with it.
This post was edited on 5/18/17 at 10:30 am
Posted on 5/18/17 at 10:38 am to KSCC
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And why would that be? We build LSU up in our heads because they've owned us, but they've taken 13 non-Bama losses over the last 5 seasons.
I can tell you why.
It's not difficult to understand.
- Louisiana, the state, produces an outsized amount of talent, relative to its population size. It's one of, if not THE highest producer of talent, per capita.
- LSU has zero in-state competition for that talent and Louisianans are very loyal to LSU. A lot of that is natural loyalty, but there's also a TON of formal and informal pressure on Louisiana kids to stay home and play for LSU. Moreso than anywhere else.
- LSU boosters are not afraid to play The Game. Ours are. Our guys will build monuments, but they really get shy about buying F250s, if you know what I mean.
- Baton Rouge is a Chocolate City. College Station is the Vanilla Kingdom.
Posted on 5/18/17 at 10:59 am to KSCC
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Well I don't know what else we could do to appeal to the Black high school athlete. AA Head Coach, Kanye blaring out of the tunnel, etc. Yes there's recruiting competition. There is for everyone. Ask LSU how many in-state studs they've lost to Bama.
Kids don't listen to Kanye. Losing recruits to Bama isn't really worth mentioning.
A&M is too happy go lucky to field a good defense. LSU recruits tough kids, and sometimes you need some Claibornes and Goldens to play good defense.I'm not suggesting we should let criminals run rampant in the locker room, and look the other way but there is a middle ground.
We are nice and want our players to be nice. Even our best defenders are goofy nice guys. MG15 and Von Miller are perfect examples. Sure, some guys are athletic enough to produce anyway but offenses were never scared of Myles or Von. Most of Myles sack highlights look like he's bedding his bride on the honeymoon.
Our fan base is ecstatic to not be embarrassed (3-9), and doesn't really push anyone within the program. As long as we aren't losing to tu directly, and we can hang our hats on perceived superiority, there is no onus to change.
Posted on 5/18/17 at 11:29 am to Nguyening
How Von and Myles act off the field has nothing to do with our problems on defense. Our problems on defense are not related to them at all actually. We haven't had quality depth on the front 7 on defense in 20 years.
Also the notion that Von didn't play with a mean streak or physical in college is hilarious.
Also the notion that Von didn't play with a mean streak or physical in college is hilarious.
This post was edited on 5/18/17 at 11:31 am
Posted on 5/18/17 at 11:59 am to Cooter Davenport
Just remember- everything you stated was true (even more so) in the late 80s / early 90s when we ran LSU away from the series and wrecked SWC shop.
LSU's post integration record was nothing to brag about prior to Saban. I often wonder about this: in Sep '03, two first year coaches squared off at Kyle. Fran's A&M club squeaked by Urban Meyer's Utes. Point of this is not to re-open Fran wounds, but just what might have been if we hired that young guy from Bowling Green.
LSU's post integration record was nothing to brag about prior to Saban. I often wonder about this: in Sep '03, two first year coaches squared off at Kyle. Fran's A&M club squeaked by Urban Meyer's Utes. Point of this is not to re-open Fran wounds, but just what might have been if we hired that young guy from Bowling Green.
This post was edited on 5/18/17 at 12:15 pm
Posted on 5/18/17 at 12:29 pm to CGSC Lobotomy
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Top 10 in May compared to Top 10 in February are two VERY different things.
Texas will end up in the top 10. Almost every coach's 1st full year is their best recruiting year. Look at Sumlin, Strong, Richt, Smart, etc.
If you hire Chad Morris after this season, I would expect y'all to have a top 10 recruiting class in 2019.
Posted on 5/18/17 at 12:37 pm to Cooter Davenport
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LSU boosters are not afraid to play The Game. Ours are. Our guys will build monuments, but they really get shy about buying F250s, if you know what I mean.
I'm really starting to hate this line of thinking. "Oh somebody's out recruiting us? They must be cheating and paying players."
If I had a dollar for every time I've seen that excuse, I'd be rich enough to start paying of high school recruits to come to us. If it's as obvious as every message board poster that says that seems to think, we'd be doing it too. You can cheat and don't have to be as obvious as ole miss about it.
I agree with most of your other points, but not that one. Maybe Brandon Jones is actually driving around Austin in a new F-250, I've seen a lot of speculation online but no actual proof. Just because we miss out on a good recruit doesn't mean our donors aren't paying and other school's are.
Posted on 5/18/17 at 1:09 pm to Texas Gentleman
Climb to your rooftop, and repeat after me in your loudest voice:
EVERY MAJOR COLLEGE FOOTBALL PROGRAM PAYS RECRUITS!!!!!
EVERY MAJOR COLLEGE FOOTBALL PROGRAM PAYS RECRUITS!!!!!
Posted on 5/18/17 at 1:30 pm to ShaneTheLegLechler
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How Von and Myles act off the field has nothing to do with our problems on defense. Our problems on defense are not related to them at all actually. We haven't had quality depth on the front 7 on defense in 20 years.
Also the notion that Von didn't play with a mean streak or physical in college is hilarious.
Von didn't play with a mean streak. He's one of the best players in NCAA and NFL history, no doubt. He certainly scared coaches more than players though. Justin Evans scared players more than the coaches. Myles is one of the top athletes to play football EVER, but no one got off the bus worried about getting hit by Myles.
How one individual "acts off the field" is not the issue at all, it's the cumulative demeanor of guys we recruit, or rather the ones we don't.
Part of it is the culture of the program sumlin runs, but a lot of it is just Aggie culture in general. We take kids from texas hsfb which is by nature of style of play, more finesse than the rest of the south and then we do everything we can to make them even softer. We have had the talent to play with anyone in the america that last few years, so long as it's in september/october. When our team gets a little banged up and has their first loss they completely lie down. That's not a strength coach, that's mental weakness.
Posted on 5/18/17 at 1:53 pm to Nguyening
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Von didn't play with a mean streak. He's one of the best players in NCAA and NFL history, no doubt. He certainly scared coaches more than players though.
Read any draft scouting report on him. Pretty much everything praised his tenacity in pursuit and open field tackling, and questioned his lower body strength and ability to dissect plays. Trying to blame our defensive struggles on anything related to MG or Von (which was the last time our defense was really even respectable) is just dumb.
I don't necessarily disagree with anything else you posted but I think you're underselling the attrition we've had and how it's impacted our defense. And that still falls back on this staff
Posted on 5/18/17 at 2:41 pm to Dawgsontop34
Sumlin's best recruiting year was year 2.
Posted on 5/18/17 at 2:53 pm to ShaneTheLegLechler
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Read any draft scouting report on him. Pretty much everything praised his tenacity in pursuit and open field tackling, and questioned his lower body strength and ability to dissect plays. Trying to blame our defensive struggles on anything related to MG or Von (which was the last time our defense was really even respectable) is just dumb.
Von was "tenacious in pursuit" and did a good job wrapping up in the open field. That's not what i'm saying. I'm definitely not pointing to mg15 or miller lite as the reasons our defense hasn't been good, that would be silly.
Posted on 5/18/17 at 3:07 pm to Nguyening
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That's not what i'm saying.
I don't really understand the point you're trying to make, and I definitely disagree that he doesn't play with a mean streak
Posted on 5/18/17 at 3:14 pm to CGSC Lobotomy
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Sumlin's best recruiting year was year 2.
Yeah, I deleted what I was originally going to follow that with. You can definitely build on a strong 1st year of recruiting, but a good coach can make a good recruiting ranking come out of nowhere in year 1. Look at David Beatty.
Posted on 5/19/17 at 8:46 pm to Dawgsontop34
Beaty is probably the best recruiter who has ever collected a paycheck from us.
Posted on 5/20/17 at 6:30 am to ShaneTheLegLechler
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I don't really understand the point you're trying to make
It's understand him perfectly.
I think you are being obstuse.
His point is, we have a soft mentality. The epitome of our softness is that even our BEST defensive players of the past 20 years didn't play mean.
Posted on 5/20/17 at 6:31 am to ShaneTheLegLechler
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I don't really understand the point you're trying to make
It's understand him perfectly.
I think you are being obtuse.
His point is, we have a soft mentality. The epitome of our softness is that even our BEST defensive players of the past 20 years were only notorious for STATS AND MEASURABLES, not for shattering skulls.
This post was edited on 5/20/17 at 6:32 am
Posted on 5/21/17 at 12:42 pm to Cooter Davenport
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His point is, we have a soft mentality. The epitome of our softness is that even our BEST defensive players of the past 20 years were only notorious for STATS AND MEASURABLES, not for shattering skulls.
What elite defensive players of the past 20 years in football have been better known for injuring opponents than production on the field?
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