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Posted on 8/7/15 at 11:12 am to ShaneTheLegLechler
Posted on 8/7/15 at 11:12 am to ShaneTheLegLechler
Cruz is already known as a fiscal conservative. And I think he's shown that the has an eyes-wide-open approach to foreign policy. So now I suspect he's doing what he thinks he needs to do to court the the social conservative vote. I don't share a lot of social con views, but dealing with the runaway spending this nation is addicted to is far more important.
I wish Cruz could just talk about fiscal responsibility etc. and win the nomination that way, but I don't think that's possible. He's got to build a coalition, and I think his "televangelism" is geared toward that. I think he "defended" Trump for the same reason: he's courting the anti-illegal immigration vote.
I like Fiorina because she has an incredibly forceful voice, and isn't tying one rhetorical hand behind her back when she goes into the fight. Chris Matthews interviewed her, and when he tried to push back on Fiorina's charge that Hillary had lied to the American people about Benghazi and the emails, she shut him down with an articulate refutation full of specifics. He was momentarily speechless.
I don't know if she can get the nomination, but she'd be a great VP pick (and maybe that's what she's angling for). As the VP, she would probably be the best possible "attack dog" to criticize Hillary's numerous failings. Sad-but-true, being a woman herself will make people more receptive to what she has to say. It will be much harder to turn any criticism of Hillary into a "War on Women".
I like Walker. He's the candidate with the most actual skins on the wall for limited government. I just don't know if he has the personal magnetism to win.
I'd love to transplant Rubio's personality and political skill into Walker.
Speaking of whom, Rubio... Not my guy. But maybe (probably?) the most "electable" of the bunch. In an election where an avowed socialist is the LESSER potential evil the Dems might field, electability is no small concern. Would prefer him as the VP, but who to pair him with? Joining a Cruz or Fiorina ticket would leave them vulnerable to the "little/no government/executive experience" charge. Walker has the executive experience, but there's a big risk he'd be overshadowed by Rubio.
I wish Cruz could just talk about fiscal responsibility etc. and win the nomination that way, but I don't think that's possible. He's got to build a coalition, and I think his "televangelism" is geared toward that. I think he "defended" Trump for the same reason: he's courting the anti-illegal immigration vote.
I like Fiorina because she has an incredibly forceful voice, and isn't tying one rhetorical hand behind her back when she goes into the fight. Chris Matthews interviewed her, and when he tried to push back on Fiorina's charge that Hillary had lied to the American people about Benghazi and the emails, she shut him down with an articulate refutation full of specifics. He was momentarily speechless.
I don't know if she can get the nomination, but she'd be a great VP pick (and maybe that's what she's angling for). As the VP, she would probably be the best possible "attack dog" to criticize Hillary's numerous failings. Sad-but-true, being a woman herself will make people more receptive to what she has to say. It will be much harder to turn any criticism of Hillary into a "War on Women".
I like Walker. He's the candidate with the most actual skins on the wall for limited government. I just don't know if he has the personal magnetism to win.
I'd love to transplant Rubio's personality and political skill into Walker.
Speaking of whom, Rubio... Not my guy. But maybe (probably?) the most "electable" of the bunch. In an election where an avowed socialist is the LESSER potential evil the Dems might field, electability is no small concern. Would prefer him as the VP, but who to pair him with? Joining a Cruz or Fiorina ticket would leave them vulnerable to the "little/no government/executive experience" charge. Walker has the executive experience, but there's a big risk he'd be overshadowed by Rubio.
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Posted on 8/7/15 at 11:20 am to Mirthomatic
Crus is pro life, but he isn't trying to pan abortion. He doesn't want the gov to fund PP, who clearly is breaking the law.
Cruz is pro defining marriage as Man+Woman, however he believes the states should decide that.
Cruz does not want to legalize weed, however he believes, again, that the state should decide.
Clearly he IS a social conservative based on his beliefs, but he doesn't let that get in his way of the Constitution, how he works in the senate, and how he would govern.
Cruz is pro defining marriage as Man+Woman, however he believes the states should decide that.
Cruz does not want to legalize weed, however he believes, again, that the state should decide.
Clearly he IS a social conservative based on his beliefs, but he doesn't let that get in his way of the Constitution, how he works in the senate, and how he would govern.
Posted on 8/7/15 at 11:38 am to Mirthomatic
I dont understand why anyone likes Fiorina when she ran such a pitiful campaign against Boxer in Cali for the Senate and did so poorly at HP they had to golden parachute her arse outta there.
Posted on 8/7/15 at 11:40 am to Dr RC
IMO Fiorina benefited from comparison with the other second-tier candidates, simple as that. They all sucked except for Pataki, who is too moderate to win.
Posted on 8/7/15 at 11:44 am to Dr RC
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I dont understand why anyone likes Fiorina when she ran such a pitiful campaign against Boxer in Cali for the Senate and did so poorly at HP they had to golden parachute her arse outta there.
People like Fiorina becuase she is strong, quick witted, a good rhetoritician, and doesn't back down.
Constrast that to:
Strong, doesn't back down, but stupid and dominated in interviews by quicker opponents (Sarah Palin)
Weak, non-confrontational and backs down (every other Republican except for Trump)
Posted on 8/7/15 at 11:46 am to Cooter Davenport
I would put Cruz into your fiorina category. Have not seen him back down at any point in interviews.
This post was edited on 8/7/15 at 2:33 pm
Posted on 8/7/15 at 11:48 am to Mirthomatic
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Cruz is already known as a fiscal conservative. And I think he's shown that the has an eyes-wide-open approach to foreign policy. So now I suspect he's doing what he thinks he needs to do to court the the social conservative vote. I don't share a lot of social con views, but dealing with the runaway spending this nation is addicted to is far more important.
I wish Cruz could just talk about fiscal responsibility etc. and win the nomination that way, but I don't think that's possible. He's got to build a coalition, and I think his "televangelism" is geared toward that. I think he "defended" Trump for the same reason: he's courting the anti-illegal immigration vote.
I like Fiorina because she has an incredibly forceful voice, and isn't tying one rhetorical hand behind her back when she goes into the fight. Chris Matthews interviewed her, and when he tried to push back on Fiorina's charge that Hillary had lied to the American people about Benghazi and the emails, she shut him down with an articulate refutation full of specifics. He was momentarily speechless.
I don't know if she can get the nomination, but she'd be a great VP pick (and maybe that's what she's angling for). As the VP, she would probably be the best possible "attack dog" to criticize Hillary's numerous failings. Sad-but-true, being a woman herself will make people more receptive to what she has to say. It will be much harder to turn any criticism of Hillary into a "War on Women".
I like Walker. He's the candidate with the most actual skins on the wall for limited government. I just don't know if he has the personal magnetism to win.
I'd love to transplant Rubio's personality and political skill into Walker.
Speaking of whom, Rubio... Not my guy. But maybe (probably?) the most "electable" of the bunch. In an election where an avowed socialist is the LESSER potential evil the Dems might field, electability is no small concern. Would prefer him as the VP, but who to pair him with? Joining a Cruz or Fiorina ticket would leave them vulnerable to the "little/no government/executive experience" charge. Walker has the executive experience, but there's a big risk he'd be overshadowed by Rubio.
I agree with this whole thing.
I like that Walker has proven survivability and has real skins on the wall, proving also what he belives in and professes is what he'll really DO if elected. But, he's a weak political force.
Cruz has become a mutated Billy Graham. I can't stand his religious turn.
Rubio has the look and the personality, but he's yet another squishy, turncoat, got enarmoed with being cool in Washington RINO.
Posted on 8/7/15 at 11:51 am to Farmer1906
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Crus is pro life, but he isn't trying to pan abortion. He doesn't want the gov to fund PP, who clearly is breaking the law.
Cruz is pro defining marriage as Man+Woman, however he believes the states should decide that.
Cruz does not want to legalize weed, however he believes, again, that the state should decide.
Clearly he IS a social conservative based on his beliefs, but he doesn't let that get in his way of the Constitution, how he works in the senate, and how he would govern.
That's why I think his social conservatism is different from someone like Huck. Huck would actually try to IMPLEMENT the social conservative agenda.
My sense of Cruz is that he is, as you indicate, a constitutionalist. That's how he would govern. I would enthusiastically get behind that. But to court the social con vote he has to attempt to forge an emotional connection with them based on shared values. Even if he isn't going to codify those values should he become elected.
Posted on 8/7/15 at 11:52 am to Cooter Davenport
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People like Fiorina becuase she is strong, quick witted, a good rhetoritician, and doesn't back down.
Ok, so they just want to ignore that she already had her arse handed to her by a far less apt politician than Hillary in Boxer?
They want to ignore that HP stock skyrocketed when they booted her out the door?
It's not hard to seem quick witted when you are on stage with Perry, Santorum, and Jindal.
This post was edited on 8/7/15 at 11:54 am
Posted on 8/7/15 at 11:58 am to Dr RC
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Ok, so they just want to ignore that she already had her arse handed to her by a far less apt politician than Hillary in Boxer?
Apples to oranges. That was a race for seantor of CALIFORNIA. Have you been there, other than Orange County, the Valley, and Fontucky? She was at an immense disadvantage.
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It's not hard to seem quick witted when you are on stage with Perry, Santorum, and Jindal.
true
Posted on 8/7/15 at 12:01 pm to Mirthomatic
That is my view. The fact that he has deeply held convictions is a positive. He has shown that he is a constitutionalist and I truly believe he would govern on that manner. Listening to him and seeing how he handles himself in the Senate makes be believe he is beholden to no one in the party and that is a good thing.
Posted on 8/7/15 at 12:02 pm to Farmer1906
So every once in a while I get asked about who Texans support and who they like in the government / who they would like as president.
Maybe it's a cop out since I've lived here for a year, but my answer is always something along the lines of, "well they don't really like government at all, even if they're from TX"
is that accurate?
Maybe it's a cop out since I've lived here for a year, but my answer is always something along the lines of, "well they don't really like government at all, even if they're from TX"
is that accurate?
Posted on 8/7/15 at 12:02 pm to Mirthomatic
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That's why I think his social conservatism is different from someone like Huck. Huck would actually try to IMPLEMENT the social conservative agenda.
Huckabee or Santorum. In one case you'd end up with an attempt at creating a Baptist Utopia and in the other case the guy would probably step down and annouce the pope as his replacement.
Posted on 8/7/15 at 12:03 pm to theGarnetWay
Yeah. For me that is accurate. I just want them to take care of security and foreign policy and stay the Frick outta my life.
Posted on 8/7/15 at 12:04 pm to theGarnetWay
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Maybe it's a cop out since I've lived here for a year, but my answer is always something along the lines of, "well they don't really like government at all, even if they're from TX"
That's the most accurate statement I've ever read.
Posted on 8/7/15 at 12:09 pm to Cooter Davenport
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Bush. Fuuuuuuuuuuuuck you, buddy. He and the establishment think he's owed the presidency by virtue of the fact that his dad and brother were president
I genuinely believe that he had no interest in running for a long time (he like the 11th GOP candidate to announce right?). I think he was persuaded to do it by the GOP as someone who had a name to stand up to a Clinton.
Posted on 8/7/15 at 12:14 pm to theGarnetWay
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well they don't really like government at all, even if they're from TX"
Yep, the government's only job is to protect us from a military stand point and to keep the country solvent one they do pretty well the other not so much. They have no business trying to run my life.
Posted on 8/7/15 at 12:43 pm to theGarnetWay
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I genuinely believe that he had no interest in running for a long time (he like the 11th GOP candidate to announce right?). I think he was persuaded to do it by the GOP as someone who had a name to stand up to a Clinton.
He doesn't really seem like he 'wants" it. But that's his fault for not having the balls to tell everyone to kiss off and leaving to live on a ranch in Montana or something. He's not poor. Now he's doing himself and America a disservice by allowing his disinterested puppet self to become intangled in all of this.
The best description I've heard of Jeb was via the Shirley Q. Liquor segment on the Michael Berry radio show. Shirley Q. Liquor said "Jeb Bush reminds me of one of those cans of biscuit dough that you pop open and this white squishy material pokes out."
Posted on 8/7/15 at 1:07 pm to Cooter Davenport
Willie Nelson for President
Posted on 8/7/15 at 2:16 pm to cas4t
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Ted Cruz is a sleeze ball dude.
If he's a sleeze ball then list out of the sleezey stuff he's done. I'm sure it will be easy for you.
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