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re: Let's all take a moment to point and laugh at what is going down on the 40 Acres

Posted on 9/9/15 at 11:02 am to
Posted by CGSC Lobotomy
Member since Sep 2011
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Posted on 9/9/15 at 11:02 am to
Aren't they in the red...and don't they still owe DODDS money as well?
Posted by Raoul_Duke
Denton, TX
Member since Nov 2012
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Posted on 9/9/15 at 11:10 am to
McCombs is an old arse billionaire who was entirely shut out of the process after Mack left. I don't think 20 or 30 million will stand in his way of being back in the inner circle. We can't forget it's "We're Texas" we are talking about. If there's consensus among the important alumni.......they would kill to put UT football back on the map ASAP
Posted by Cooter Davenport
Austin, TX
Member since Apr 2012
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Posted on 9/9/15 at 11:11 am to
I could see them coming to Joe & Red on their knees after firing Patterson and replacing him with Dodds in the interim and saying "We're sorry. We need you. This is your chance to cement your legacy forever as the savior of the UT football program, which is teetering on the brink." And I could see those guys, who are near unto death, buying into the chance for a significant legacy by bailing out the program. Red is a billionaire. This'd be a small price to pay for immortality.
This post was edited on 9/9/15 at 11:15 am
Posted by 3nOut
Central Texas, TX
Member since Jan 2013
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Posted on 9/9/15 at 11:12 am to
i never thought i'd say this, but i truly feel bad for strong at this point and juncture.

Posted by Mirthomatic
Member since Feb 2013
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Posted on 9/9/15 at 11:14 am to
According to Patterson, UTx actually lost money in 2013-14:

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Texas athletic director Steve Patterson has insisted for months that the athletic department does not have as much money as everyone thinks.

He’s right. The Longhorns are now operating in the red.

+Texas athletics finished 2013-14 school year $2.8 million short photo DEBORAH CANNON
“I think we’re still healthy,” UT athletic director Steve Patterson says.
The UT athletic department lost money during the 2013-14 academic year, according to an audited financial statement obtained by the American-Statesman through an open records request.

The actual shortfall was negligible by Texas’ standards — about $2.8 million. Still, it’s the first time the department has lost money since the 1999-2000 academic year.


Patterson has instituted several cost-cutting measures, including limiting the free meals for coaches at campus cafeterias, where before they had unlimited meals.

If they're doing ticky-tack stuff like that to scrimp and save, I'm not sure they'd be able to pony up the tens of millions of dollars it would take to change coaches after this year.
Posted by Mirthomatic
Member since Feb 2013
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Posted on 9/9/15 at 11:16 am to
I could see them coming to the rescue, but only if they actually get to pick the coach. They aren't going to foot the bill for the bailout if they aren't choosing the successor.
Posted by Cooter Davenport
Austin, TX
Member since Apr 2012
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Posted on 9/9/15 at 11:18 am to
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I'm not sure they'd be able to pony up the tens of millions of dollars it would take to change coaches after this year.


THEY wouldn't have to. As per my hypothetical above, they could fire Patterson, replace him with Dodds in the interim, and beg McCombs to bear the burden of all the money owed on past coaching contracts in return for deification and final say in Strong's replacement. I think that's the most likely resolution.
This post was edited on 9/9/15 at 11:19 am
Posted by Old Sarge
Dean of Admissions, LSU
Member since Jan 2012
55573 posts
Posted on 9/9/15 at 11:22 am to
You forget their pride





This would be admitting to the entire football world that they suck at business decisions. AND that athletics is far more important to them than academics



They wouldn't do it, the board wouldn't let them. Can you imagine he stories ESPN would run on texass paying almost 20mm just on the head coach?
Posted by 3nOut
Central Texas, TX
Member since Jan 2013
29063 posts
Posted on 9/9/15 at 11:22 am to
quote:

I could see them coming to the rescue, but only if they actually get to pick the coach. They aren't going to foot the bill for the bailout if they aren't choosing the successor.



they were actually against the Strong hire correct?
Posted by Cooter Davenport
Austin, TX
Member since Apr 2012
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Posted on 9/9/15 at 11:28 am to
I do not.

Pride is easily foregone when staring into the abyss.

It's go begging to Red or spend 10 years or more wandering in the desert. There's no certain end to that sojourn either, because the realignment of the college football word has left them facing said odious prospect whilst withering in the now marginalized Big XII.

Had this occurred prior to realignment they could've stuck it out with Charlie and counted on his successor to pull a Bob Stoops and make good use of the talent. But post-realignment, they're going to be facing a situation where, if they wait too long, Charlie's successor will have Tech-level talent instead of OU post-John Blake talent.
This post was edited on 9/9/15 at 11:31 am
Posted by Cooter Davenport
Austin, TX
Member since Apr 2012
9006 posts
Posted on 9/9/15 at 11:29 am to
Yes they were. Right after the hire, Red openly stated that Charlie is a position coach or coordinator, not a head coach. Joe gave back his suite.
Posted by PhilipMarlowe
Member since Mar 2013
20572 posts
Posted on 9/9/15 at 11:51 am to
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They are stuck with Chuck


#Jesuischarlie
Posted by Mirthomatic
Member since Feb 2013
4113 posts
Posted on 9/9/15 at 12:12 pm to
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THEY wouldn't have to. As per my hypothetical above, they could fire Patterson, replace him with Dodds in the interim, and beg McCombs to bear the burden of all the money owed on past coaching contracts in return for deification and final say in Strong's replacement. I think that's the most likely resolution.


I agree this is a possibility, but UTx would be taking a risk to give McCombs/Jamail the sole votes on the new coach. If that choice bombs, they are set back even more years than if they stick with Strong a little longer.

And would Dodds be OK coming back as interim AD w/ no power over the selection of the football coach? I'm not sure head of the "Joneses" household would be willing to do that, either.
Posted by TbirdSpur2010
ALAMO CITY
Member since Dec 2010
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Posted on 9/9/15 at 12:56 pm to
I don't.

I'm also a despicable person, however
Posted by Cooter Davenport
Austin, TX
Member since Apr 2012
9006 posts
Posted on 9/9/15 at 1:32 pm to
Yeah, I have to acknowledge that Dodds may be opposed to returning in that capacity.

I put him forward as the most likely man for the job since he has the relationships with the big donors, the knowledge of both UT and the process and "knows how to turn all the valves and push all the levers".

May not be possible, but the reason why I'm given to think it may be is that I could see Dodds having personal friendships with those guys beyond their "business" relationship. Dodds may be fine with them having "say" because he not only thinks of them as like-minded, but of the same mind. They may have already spit-balled this over drinks and he trusts a general consensus. He may trust his own ability to "drive" any discussion in a way he sees fit without having to in any way dictate the proceedings because they trust and admire him.

I think of this playing out as somewhat of a coup d'etat where the conspirators have already planned this out in advance. Charlie loses to Rice or wins that game but loses to everyone else but Kansas and Iowa State, including several blowouts, and amid the lamentation and public rending of garments, Red & Co. visit Fenves and say "We'll pay down Mack and Charlie's contracts if you'll axe Patterson, which you're going to do anyway, make Dodds the interim AD in charge of hiring a new coach, and form a search committee comprised of us."

So far as Dodds' motivation? Same as the Red's would be, but with a twist. Not only would Dodds like to go down in everyone's memory as the savior, but he'd also be getting revenge of a sort, or setting things right in the face of his detractors. He stood by Mack and "they" replaced him with an incompetent who ruined everything. He believed in the work he'd done and "they" pushed him aside as though the world had passed him by and hired Patterson, who also ruined everything. He'd get to come back, fix it with funding only he could put together and a new hire he'd bless, and get the "last word" before riding off into the sunset, which is always a huge motivator, particularly for an egomaniac like Dodds.
This post was edited on 9/9/15 at 1:45 pm
Posted by ShaneTheLegLechler
Member since Dec 2011
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Posted on 9/9/15 at 1:46 pm to
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i never thought i'd say this, but i truly feel bad for strong at this point and juncture.


He really does seem like a decent dude all things considered. I could see him going to a lower expectations ACC job after another stint as a DC and doing well
Posted by Mirthomatic
Member since Feb 2013
4113 posts
Posted on 9/9/15 at 2:11 pm to
hmmm... yeah, I could see that.
Posted by Ash'sProstheticHand
Member since Nov 2012
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Posted on 9/9/15 at 2:22 pm to
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i never thought i'd say this, but i truly feel bad for strong at this point and juncture.


He really does seem like a decent dude all things considered. I could see him going to a lower expectations ACC job after another stint as a DC and doing well


Not really. Remember him deriding the team Sumlin was building as a gadget program and saying that he was above that sort of thing? Remember his moral high ground act when he criticized Sumlin for bringing in bad eggs who got arrested, despite the fact that he brought in Michael freaking Dyer as a transfer at Louisville? His core values recruiting pitch was nothing more than opportunistic bullshite to take advantage of a threatening coach (Sumlin) who was going through a rough patch with some players (despite the fact that other than Claiborne and Golden, almost all of our legal problems fell under the relatively innocuous "dumbass college kids being dumbass college kid" banner).

frick that guy. He's a complete idiot that was too arrogant to realize how outclassed he was/is in the Big 12 so he took pot shots at everyone around him while sucking at his own job. And now the chickens are coming home to roost.

The only thing I'm worried about is that the horns wise-up to the fact that he's a clueless fraud who was carried to success at Louisville by 1) a QB he had no hand in developing (Bridgewater) and 2) a sleazy recruiter who was given a show cause penalty by the NCAA (Clint Hurtt), and fire him this offseason.
This post was edited on 9/9/15 at 2:30 pm
Posted by BadAgg7
Member since Aug 2015
1717 posts
Posted on 9/9/15 at 2:25 pm to
he developed his philosophies on character, team, etc. through his long history of recruiting high risk players in south florida and elsewhere.

i don't think he'll ever recruit that well in austin because texas kids are like "wtf". it's overkill. some kids will always need that type of environment, but that shite's not gonna fly with texas recruits. don't hit women, be respectful, well no shite charlie.

he could probably win with high risk 3 stars with an occasional 4 or 5 thrown in because he's in the bdf, and when you recruit a lot of those kids his discipline works, but he lost 4/5 guys from south florida this year for various reasons(grades and test scores where 3 of em i think). he's always gonna lose some of those types of players, every coach does.

i don't think it's an accident that discipline went to shite at uf under meyer when strong left after the 09 season, but that's a different type of recruit in florida. uf was loaded with inner city gangbanger types and there just isn't a large enough element of that in texas to constitute his way of doing things.

apparently he knows defense, and did a good job as the head man at louisville, not sure how that's disputable. bridgewater had a lot to do with that, but he took advantage of the talent and his connections are why bridgewater ended up there to begin with. the defense he built there was pretty bad arse.

i just think he's in the wrong place to do things his way. It may not be the "best" way, but it's the way he knows how to do things. horns fans wouldn't give a damn about his social skills if he won ballgames. i doubt his culture will ever fly in austin. he's gonna have to win with 3 stars and the occasional 4 or 5. so far he can't field an fbs oline, so everything else doesn't matter. i don't think he's gonna have time to build a decent oline before he gets canned because it's not gonna be much better next year.
Posted by leoj
Member since Nov 2010
3106 posts
Posted on 9/9/15 at 3:07 pm to
I love this so much. frick Texas
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