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Posted on 9/8/15 at 10:19 am to Tridentds
They needed either a huge splash hire to outshine our SEC advantage (hence the failed Saban offer) or a big personality who could work the PR game and hustle like a salesman (a Tom Herman type).
They got neither.
To compound not getting what they needed to counter our emergence in any way, they actually got the opposite: an introvert without the ability to speak in English who is also a terrible manager/organizational chief. They could not have made a worse hire.
They got neither.
To compound not getting what they needed to counter our emergence in any way, they actually got the opposite: an introvert without the ability to speak in English who is also a terrible manager/organizational chief. They could not have made a worse hire.
Posted on 9/8/15 at 10:25 am to Cooter Davenport
And it is glorious, because they CANNOT even think to fire him until 2017 
His buyout & the perception of a quick hook make it impossible.
I think I just filled a jar
His buyout & the perception of a quick hook make it impossible.
I think I just filled a jar
Posted on 9/8/15 at 11:02 am to Old Sarge
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And it is glorious, because they CANNOT even think to fire him until 2017
IF they manage to beat Rice.. (just play along)
here is the remaining schedule:
Cal - Possible win
Oklahoma St. Unlikely
@TCU - Probable big loss
OU - Probable big loss
KSU - Unlikely
@ Iowa State - Maybe
Kansas - YES
@WVU - Probably loss
Texas Tech - Maybe
@Baylor - Epic arse whipping
They are looking down the barrel of an absolute minimum of 5 losses and 6 is much more likely. If things go wrong (more wrong than now) they could have 7-8 losses. I think Cal is going to torch their secondary. KSU/Snyder has their number. If they beat WVU it will be a shocker in my opinion.
If they have 6 losses he can survive through 2016. Will be nasty but he will get a 3rd year. If they have 8 losses, neither or he or Steve Patterson will be around in 2016.
If they have 6 or 7 losses going into the final home game... Thanksgiving... and there are 45,000 fans in the stadium Stronge is gone and so is Patterson. They will still have to deal with Baylor/Briles the following week.
I just don't see how they can survive a shite storm of this magnititude.
Posted on 9/8/15 at 11:06 am to Cooter Davenport
you could be right. i'm not an expert on the guy. maybe the things he stands for skew my opinion.
he's been an excellent DC and while bridgewater had the world to do with his success at louisville, not all coaches take advantage of talent.
i can't see any scenario short of him going 3-9 where he doesn't come back to austin next year.
that said, i hope the horns wallow in failure and mediocrity for all eternity. was just trying to be objective about strong as a coach, not necessarily how bad i want the horns to be.
he's been an excellent DC and while bridgewater had the world to do with his success at louisville, not all coaches take advantage of talent.
i can't see any scenario short of him going 3-9 where he doesn't come back to austin next year.
that said, i hope the horns wallow in failure and mediocrity for all eternity. was just trying to be objective about strong as a coach, not necessarily how bad i want the horns to be.
Posted on 9/8/15 at 11:55 am to BadAgg7
As Red McCombs - (formerly) UT's biggest benefactor - said: Charlie is a great coordinator, but not a head coach.
Head Coach at the University of Texas is a more prominent position than Governor. You can't hire a guy for that job who is incapable of speaking English.
Head Coach at the University of Texas is a more prominent position than Governor. You can't hire a guy for that job who is incapable of speaking English.
Posted on 9/8/15 at 11:55 am to Tridentds
I'm really looking forward to the day when Malik jefferson mama has to say sorry for telling her baby to play for a 'good guy' who just got shite canned. And then he has to finish out his collegiate career in turmoil with new coaches & more mediocrity. The icing on the cake would be if the new coach was an urban Meyer level scumbag. (But not urban Meyer specifically because that would be a nightmare having him at ut. 
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)Posted on 9/8/15 at 12:40 pm to PhilipMarlowe
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the day when Malik jefferson mama has to say sorry for telling her baby to play for a 'good guy'
Could happen. She didn't fall for no gimmicks!!
Posted on 9/8/15 at 12:44 pm to Tridentds
Arkansas has a lol at the sips thread on their team board as well
Posted on 9/8/15 at 12:49 pm to Dr RC
damn.
Posted on 9/8/15 at 1:31 pm to Tridentds
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Cal - Possible win
I can tell you right now that tu is not beating Cal.
Posted on 9/8/15 at 1:54 pm to Mars United
yeah they'll beat rice but look bad and lose to cal.
Posted on 9/8/15 at 2:18 pm to Tridentds
ND- LOSS
Rice- Win
Cal - 50/50
Oklahoma St. - 50/50
@TCU - loss
OU - loss
KSU - loss
@ Iowa State - 50/50
Kansas - win
@WVU - Loss
Texas Tech - 50/50
@Baylor - Loss
Rice- Win
Cal - 50/50
Oklahoma St. - 50/50
@TCU - loss
OU - loss
KSU - loss
@ Iowa State - 50/50
Kansas - win
@WVU - Loss
Texas Tech - 50/50
@Baylor - Loss
Posted on 9/8/15 at 2:30 pm to PhilipMarlowe
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I'm really looking forward to the day when Malik jefferson mama has to say sorry for telling her baby to play for a 'good guy' who just got shite canned.
Meh, Malik is the "win" that gives them all hope. Anyone who wants Charlie to stick around doesn't mind what Malik's mom did.
Posted on 9/8/15 at 2:37 pm to BadAgg7
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you could be right. i'm not an expert on the guy
Actually I honestly think you are right. Charlie is a great head coach at lower levels of football where all the talent is compatively shite and actual coaching makes a huge difference in results. Or he is a great coordinator at a high level when someone else recruits talent for him.
Charlie's problem is the Texas job isn't about how good of a coach you are- that is why you are given what is head coaching budgets elsewhere to hire coordinators. When you are head coach of Texas you are kinda like the mayor of the state, your job is to make everything look great (no matter the reality under the surface) so that five stars who are naturally inclined to play for your program aren't given a reason not to.
I think some mid level program is going to do very well under him years from now.
Posted on 9/8/15 at 2:52 pm to cardboardboxer
It's the BCG @ Kentucky story, minus the alcoholism.
Billy's Stalin-esq approach to discipline and abusiveness at UTEP & A&M worked wonders with players who KNEW they were second-rate and bought-in because they saw his system as their one chance at success.
At Kentucky, where the players knew they were headed to the NBA in a year or so regardless and correctly thought they could compete for natties based on talent alone, nobody would put up with his crap.
Add in the fact that A&M let Billy run rampant and he had no media obligations here, whereas at Kentucky they put him in a media spotlight he wasn't equipped to handle (and expected him to be occasionally sober and upstanding) and you have a recipe for disaster.
Take Charlie, who has some sort of mental disability that makes speaking difficult, put him on the LHN, make him do coach's tours, and watch as he embarrass himself in the public eye. Meanwhile, he's been trying to institute hokey disciplinary measures like "the pit" and signs his players are supposed to tear down while forcing the players into the dorms.
That sort of ultra-discipline - on the football field or the basketball court - can give you the edge when you are coaching a mid-level school with mid-level players against other mid-level schools with mid-level players, (where your "meh" players will win by out-working your opponent's equally "meh" talented, but less fanatical, players) but it looks really unattractive to the 5* football heroes you have to recruit to win and win big on UT's level.
Billy's Stalin-esq approach to discipline and abusiveness at UTEP & A&M worked wonders with players who KNEW they were second-rate and bought-in because they saw his system as their one chance at success.
At Kentucky, where the players knew they were headed to the NBA in a year or so regardless and correctly thought they could compete for natties based on talent alone, nobody would put up with his crap.
Add in the fact that A&M let Billy run rampant and he had no media obligations here, whereas at Kentucky they put him in a media spotlight he wasn't equipped to handle (and expected him to be occasionally sober and upstanding) and you have a recipe for disaster.
Take Charlie, who has some sort of mental disability that makes speaking difficult, put him on the LHN, make him do coach's tours, and watch as he embarrass himself in the public eye. Meanwhile, he's been trying to institute hokey disciplinary measures like "the pit" and signs his players are supposed to tear down while forcing the players into the dorms.
That sort of ultra-discipline - on the football field or the basketball court - can give you the edge when you are coaching a mid-level school with mid-level players against other mid-level schools with mid-level players, (where your "meh" players will win by out-working your opponent's equally "meh" talented, but less fanatical, players) but it looks really unattractive to the 5* football heroes you have to recruit to win and win big on UT's level.
This post was edited on 9/8/15 at 2:58 pm
Posted on 9/8/15 at 2:56 pm to Old Sarge
Being as objective as I can be, I honestly think the only game the horns can feel comfortable about is Kansas. They are in disarray right now, and probably at their most vulnerable as their confidence has been destroyed. Whatever changes or corrections Strong and co try to implement, one week is not going to be enough. So Rice is catching them at the perfect time.
If they lose to Rice, that sends them into a tailspin that only Kansas will surely fix.
If they lose to Rice, that sends them into a tailspin that only Kansas will surely fix.
Posted on 9/8/15 at 2:58 pm to Cooter Davenport
[quote]Meanwhile, he's been trying to institute hokey disciplinary measures[/quote
See, I don't buy this
Look at the drug issues, he dismissed 3-4 players? for failing their 5th drug test. 5th! After he had been in charge a year. I don't believe he cares about discipline unless it helps him get rid of scholarship kids that don't produce.
Let's we if Flowers sits for a game for throwing that punch.
See, I don't buy this
Look at the drug issues, he dismissed 3-4 players? for failing their 5th drug test. 5th! After he had been in charge a year. I don't believe he cares about discipline unless it helps him get rid of scholarship kids that don't produce.
Let's we if Flowers sits for a game for throwing that punch.
Posted on 9/8/15 at 3:07 pm to Old Sarge
I doubt it.
Charlie did all this disciplinary stuff as a recruiting counter to Sumlin's player's - at the time - well-publicized disciplinary and legal issues.
But Charlie isn't very smart. He is calculating, but only just so. He's like a dog in that they can be mischievous, but only one chess-move out. After that, there's been no thinking and no plan.
For instance, as part of Strong's "show of discipline" to attract the parents of recruits who Strong thought he might be able to convince to see his program as a safe-haven from Sumlin's lawlessness, Strong conceived this "living in the dorms" idea. But he couldn't see past that initial hypothetical benefit or fully grasp the consequences. The fact is that a lot of recruits were attracted to UT for the fun of college in Austin and Strong took that away. The guy denied himself one of his biggest assets and turned it into a liability instead. Now instead of choosing between "fun Austin" and "boring College Station" there's "College Station with fun Sumlin" and "Austin where I have to live in a dorm and put up with Charlie Stalin."
Charlie did all this disciplinary stuff as a recruiting counter to Sumlin's player's - at the time - well-publicized disciplinary and legal issues.
But Charlie isn't very smart. He is calculating, but only just so. He's like a dog in that they can be mischievous, but only one chess-move out. After that, there's been no thinking and no plan.
For instance, as part of Strong's "show of discipline" to attract the parents of recruits who Strong thought he might be able to convince to see his program as a safe-haven from Sumlin's lawlessness, Strong conceived this "living in the dorms" idea. But he couldn't see past that initial hypothetical benefit or fully grasp the consequences. The fact is that a lot of recruits were attracted to UT for the fun of college in Austin and Strong took that away. The guy denied himself one of his biggest assets and turned it into a liability instead. Now instead of choosing between "fun Austin" and "boring College Station" there's "College Station with fun Sumlin" and "Austin where I have to live in a dorm and put up with Charlie Stalin."
This post was edited on 9/8/15 at 3:11 pm
Posted on 9/8/15 at 3:41 pm to Cooter Davenport
A tsip tshirt fan sums up on Facebook how I'm sure they all feel.
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After watching the University of Texas, I believe it's going to be a very long year. You would think there would be some improvement, even against Notre Dame. At this time I have no faith in Charlie Strong. I believe the only reason he is still there is because,it would be too much money to buy him out of his contract
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