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re: Jim turner hired

Posted on 2/11/16 at 12:23 pm to
Posted by tmc94
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Posted on 2/11/16 at 12:23 pm to
love this hire
Posted by ShaneTheLegLechler
Member since Dec 2011
60119 posts
Posted on 2/11/16 at 12:25 pm to
I'm interested to see how he shakes things up with our personnel
Posted by Cooter Davenport
Austin, TX
Member since Apr 2012
9006 posts
Posted on 2/11/16 at 12:30 pm to
When all his (successful) former players unanimously and publicly sing the guy's praises, and it's not because he was a cool brah they liked chillin with, then it's hard not to be excited. The man is a fundamentals fanatic who measures and critiques steps to the half-inch, which is exactly what we need right now. Get these guys using proper technique starting from the ground up and let's get back to playing football! We have Keith Ford available for next season - let's not waste that on a line that can't open a hole! Thank goodness we made this decision!
Posted by Roger Klarvin
DFW
Member since Nov 2012
46505 posts
Posted on 2/11/16 at 12:31 pm to
Good hire, but it's tough to get excited about any assistant hires at this point. This is the third straight offseason assistants have been scapegoated to explain our failures, so I'm pretty disillusioned with this process.
Posted by ShaneTheLegLechler
Member since Dec 2011
60119 posts
Posted on 2/11/16 at 12:32 pm to
I'm not sure why you post honestly


At least until we get a new coach
This post was edited on 2/11/16 at 12:32 pm
Posted by Roger Klarvin
DFW
Member since Nov 2012
46505 posts
Posted on 2/11/16 at 12:40 pm to
Because contrary to popular belief, objective aggy can be as diehard in their fandom as blind loyalist aggy.

I would argue those who still support Sumlin have no reason to post because their thoughts never change no matter how well the program is doing.
Posted by ShaneTheLegLechler
Member since Dec 2011
60119 posts
Posted on 2/11/16 at 12:44 pm to
I don't really support Sumlin but bringing your narrative in every thread on this board has to be tough work. Take some time off now and then
Posted by swaggyp
Member since Jan 2015
895 posts
Posted on 2/11/16 at 12:47 pm to
quote:

contrary to popular belief, objective aggy can be as diehard in their fandom as blind loyalist aggy. I would argue those who still support Sumlin have no reason to post because their thoughts never change no matter how well the program is doing.


This.
Posted by Roger Klarvin
DFW
Member since Nov 2012
46505 posts
Posted on 2/11/16 at 12:48 pm to
I wasn't talking about you specifically, just answering your question.
Posted by Cooter Davenport
Austin, TX
Member since Apr 2012
9006 posts
Posted on 2/11/16 at 12:53 pm to
Dude, I have declared e-jihad against Sumlin but even I can say this was a good hire. C'mon.
Posted by ShaneTheLegLechler
Member since Dec 2011
60119 posts
Posted on 2/11/16 at 12:54 pm to
Fair enough
Posted by Roger Klarvin
DFW
Member since Nov 2012
46505 posts
Posted on 2/11/16 at 12:56 pm to
I specifically said it was a good hire

That's the great thing about not basing your entire outlook on a program based on individual events. I can see the good in a hire while acknowledging it probably doesn't change much. Contrast that to many on Texags, who now firmly believe this will get Sumlin back on top.

Every time we land a good recruit or make a good hire, it's a program defining moment for some.
This post was edited on 2/11/16 at 12:57 pm
Posted by Mirthomatic
Member since Feb 2013
4113 posts
Posted on 2/11/16 at 1:00 pm to
quote:

Dude, I have declared e-jihad against Sumlin but even I can say this was a good hire. C'mon.



I'm more e-skeptic than e-jihadi, but I agree. You don't have to think this hire heralds the dawn of a new era, but I don't know how this hire doesn't at least give you hope. Turner is the closest thing to a known commodity at a coaching position of need as there is.
Posted by ShaneTheLegLechler
Member since Dec 2011
60119 posts
Posted on 2/11/16 at 1:02 pm to
I'm still very skeptical but big improvement on the OL would go the furthest for our team's success over any other unit.
Posted by Cooter Davenport
Austin, TX
Member since Apr 2012
9006 posts
Posted on 2/11/16 at 1:06 pm to
It doesn't change my opinion of Sumlin. It doesn't mean we're suddenly going to be winners, particularly since it'll probably take a couple of years to fully re-train what we have and we need to recruit better OL, which will take even longer, but it at least gives me hope that we're not totally a lost cause wasting any effort or talent we have elsewhere on the team, which we were with as poor of an OL as we had.
Posted by Roger Klarvin
DFW
Member since Nov 2012
46505 posts
Posted on 2/11/16 at 1:17 pm to
We need a culture change, and preferably more legit Xs and Os guys on staff. I'm not sure the former is possible at this point with Sumlin barring a drastic turn of events.
Posted by Cooter Davenport
Austin, TX
Member since Apr 2012
9006 posts
Posted on 2/11/16 at 2:02 pm to
quote:

We need a culture change, and preferably more legit Xs and Os guys on staff. I'm not sure the former is possible at this point with Sumlin barring a drastic turn of events.


IF the culture changes, it'll be because Sumlin hires assistants who have a different attitude. He's hands-off with how his assistants handle their business and pretty aloof from the day-to-day, so if the combination of Chavis, Maz, and Turner results in a different team attitude then it's not like he's going to un-do anything. But to your point, no Sumlin himself ain't changing and he's not going to try to change any "team attitude" himself either. I'm not sure how much it matters though given he's just the CEO. There are plenty of stories in this sport of teams that got a hard working attitude or a junkyard dog attitude from assistants or certain players and not the head coach. Here's to hoping!
Posted by Dr RC
The Money Pit
Member since Aug 2011
58036 posts
Posted on 2/11/16 at 2:39 pm to
quote:

Because contrary to popular belief, objective aggy can be as diehard in their fandom as blind loyalist aggy.


@ trying to act like you are objective.
Posted by CavalryAg07
ChiTown
Member since Jul 2009
2772 posts
Posted on 2/11/16 at 3:22 pm to
Call it objective or realistic all you want Roger but you are not in the Sumlin camp.

I don't need a bunch of posters from either Texags or gigem247 to form an opinion. The Internet message board community is a hyperbole, but the majority of ags just want to win and can see Sumlin is trying to right the ship.yet, I still don't see anyone putting him up on a pedestal. If so, please provide examples.

quote:

We need a culture change, and preferably more legit Xs and Os guys on staff.


Chavis, Mazzone, now Turner.


quote:

I'm not sure the former is possible at this point with Sumlin barring a drastic turn of events.




it's very possible, but if we are all expecting something drastic next year, us as A&M fans are not being realistic. I hope the big wigs have more longevity than many of us on this board and others.

you talk alot about texags being overly positive, but something over at Hop's protege tavern 24/7 (Taylor was an intern on scout when i was a student) has completely blinded you.
This post was edited on 2/11/16 at 5:29 pm
Posted by CGSC Lobotomy
Member since Sep 2011
79978 posts
Posted on 2/11/16 at 3:44 pm to
You can argue that the big wigs are the ones who put us in this mess with the ridiculous contract.
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