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re: I'll say it...Kyle Field is overrated.
Posted on 10/12/14 at 11:36 am to TbirdSpur2010
Posted on 10/12/14 at 11:36 am to TbirdSpur2010
The crowd "checked-out" early last night becuase they were a "brand" crowd, not a "family" crowd. A "family" crowd stays in the game regardless.
We had that when I was in school. It would appear that we do not have it anymore. Ergo, Kyle is less of an advantage.
We had that when I was in school. It would appear that we do not have it anymore. Ergo, Kyle is less of an advantage.
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Posted on 10/12/14 at 11:37 am to AggieHank86
Our point is, that has nothing to do with music, branding, the stadium at all. It has everything to do with the football team, and if they give the home crowd a reason to be engaged.
Posted on 10/12/14 at 11:38 am to AggieHank86
We checked out because our team was getting their arse beaten
Posted on 10/12/14 at 11:41 am to TexasAg13
quote:YES. Exactly. That IS MY POINT. You "checked out" because it was about YOU being entertained. You CEASED to be entertained, so you checked out.
we checked out because our team was getting their arse beaten
I could not have made my point better than you made it for me.
This post was edited on 10/12/14 at 11:43 am
Posted on 10/12/14 at 11:45 am to AggieHank86
I have never and will never yell because I have the Aggie Spirit, the yell leaders tell me to, or because that's what the 12th man does. I yell because I love our effing football team, but can't stand when we lay an egg. It's hard to swallow mediocrity and poor coaching.
I'm sure some of yall wont like "why I yell", but it's the honest to goodness truth. I care about football, not if i did all my yells correctly
I'm sure some of yall wont like "why I yell", but it's the honest to goodness truth. I care about football, not if i did all my yells correctly
This post was edited on 10/12/14 at 11:55 am
Posted on 10/12/14 at 11:50 am to AggieHank86
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but isn't al that commercial hoopla important to our "branding?"
No. Not really. It is important for revenues and that is about all.
Look this isn't some mystery, it is a very simple concept- unless you are a defensive minded football program having an intimidating crowd doesn't help you.
Simple as that.
In the wrecking crew era we did good at home, since then we haven't. Any talk about branding, fan loyalty, etc. is just piling on.
I was there in the mid-00s when our brand was crap (aka "everyone there was a real Aggie") and people still left early when we did poorly.
We can't wrap College Station in a time bubble and blame everything on not being Aggie enough.
This post was edited on 10/12/14 at 12:02 pm
Posted on 10/12/14 at 11:52 am to AggieHank86
The loss last night had NOTHING to do with Kyle Field
Innacurate throws, a defense dictating what our offense was going to do, etc... This was the first problem.
The second problem was our offense gave 14 points to Ole Miss. We really held them to 21 points which should be enough to win at home.
The awful offensive performance had NOTHING to do with Kyle field, the shitty music, the commercials, the dumbass cannon TV, the honoring announcement at every timeout, etc.. etc.... YES, all of that shite sucks.
If the offense had scored points, kept the game close whether we won or lost, Kyle Field would have been rocking. Just like any other stadium anywhere in the nation where the number 3 team in the nation was visiting.
I don't understand how a piss poor offensive display turns into a discussion about Kyle field and whether or not there is a home field advantage. There is a home field advantage. Had we played like that at Ole Miss they would have beaten us by 40. Had Ags come back in the 3rd, the place would have been defeaning.
Innacurate throws, a defense dictating what our offense was going to do, etc... This was the first problem.
The second problem was our offense gave 14 points to Ole Miss. We really held them to 21 points which should be enough to win at home.
The awful offensive performance had NOTHING to do with Kyle field, the shitty music, the commercials, the dumbass cannon TV, the honoring announcement at every timeout, etc.. etc.... YES, all of that shite sucks.
If the offense had scored points, kept the game close whether we won or lost, Kyle Field would have been rocking. Just like any other stadium anywhere in the nation where the number 3 team in the nation was visiting.
I don't understand how a piss poor offensive display turns into a discussion about Kyle field and whether or not there is a home field advantage. There is a home field advantage. Had we played like that at Ole Miss they would have beaten us by 40. Had Ags come back in the 3rd, the place would have been defeaning.
This post was edited on 10/12/14 at 11:55 am
Posted on 10/12/14 at 11:54 am to AggieHank86
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The crowd "checked-out" early last night becuase they were a "brand" crowd, not a "family" crowd. A "family" crowd stays in the game regardless.
Poppycock.
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We had that when I was in school. It would appear that we do not have it anymore. Ergo, Kyle is less of an advantage.
There was nothing magical about when you were in school. Kyle had an advantage because of good teams, not good crowds.
Posted on 10/12/14 at 11:58 am to Tridentds
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I don't understand how a piss poor offensive display turns into a discussion about Kyle field and whether or not there is a home field advantage. There is a home field advantage. Had we played like that at Ole Miss they would have beaten us by 40. Had Ags come back in the 3rd, the place would have been defeaning.
This.
That juncture in the 3rd quarter when we had just scored our first touchdown and forced a 3 and out, the crowd responded with fervor. And what did our team proceed to do? Take them right out of the game with piss poor play.
Blame that on "brand" crowd vs. "family" crowd if you want to, but that's foolish on your part and ignores the root of the problem.
Posted on 10/12/14 at 11:59 am to AggieHank86
Do you think Miami won 50 some-odd home games in a row because of the Orange Bowl crowd and a family atmosphere?
This post was edited on 10/12/14 at 12:07 pm
Posted on 10/12/14 at 12:08 pm to TbirdSpur2010
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There was nothing magical about when you were in school. Kyle had an advantage because of good teams, not good crowds.
Well and audience expectations were different. A modern audience comes to be entertained. Period. You don't deliver and you lost the crowd.
It has nothing to do with it being a "family" atmosphere. It has to do with it being 2014 and not 1984.
I bet you at any of yalls "family" get togethers - Christmas, T-Day, reunions- the younger family members keep their heap buried in a smartphone. That is the modern world.
If we try to hold Aggies to outdated standards Kyle Field will look like one of those Churches that only sing hymnals- full of gray hairs with no hope of existing in 20 years. I would much rather be the church that plays rock music every Sunday because that church has a future.
Posted on 10/12/14 at 12:10 pm to AggieHank86
quote:There's not a stadium of fan base in the country that doesn't check out when they're getting beat like you were last night. Not Tiger Stadium, Jordan-Hare, Autzen, Happy Valley, Doak Campbell, etc. is loud or intimidating when your team is down three touchdowns.
The crowd "checked-out" early last night becuase they were a "brand" crowd, not a "family" crowd. A "family" crowd stays in the game regardless.
Posted on 10/12/14 at 12:16 pm to Rig
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Not Tiger Stadium, Jordan-Hare, Autzen, Happy Valley, Doak Campbell, etc. is loud or intimidating when your team is down three touchdowns.
And that is the way it has always been, too. We romanticize how much better crowds were back in the day, but forget that in TAMU's case, the yell leaders owe their very existence to disinterested crowds at football games
Posted on 10/12/14 at 12:18 pm to TbirdSpur2010
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We romanticize how much better crowds were back in the day, but forget that in TAMU's case, the yell leaders owe their very existence to disinterested crowds at football games
Or more directly, how all the yells came into being to give us something else to do on gameday other than watch a bad team lose. Those 1960's team were terrible.
Posted on 10/12/14 at 12:25 pm to cardboardboxer
Precisely.
The only magic bullet for a consistently overwhelming home field advantage is good teams. Period.
The atmosphere, crowds, yells, everything else is ancillary to the product on the field. Opponents (especially in the modern era of cfb) are professionals in nearly every sense of the word. It gives me great pride to do yells at the top of my lungs and belt out the Aggie War Hymn, but that has no more affect on the actual game than doing it at an NFL game. Thinking otherwise is naive.
If opponents can walk into Kyle and know that your defense isn't good enough to stop them on 3rd and long if they execute, it doesn't matter how loud you yell or how long you stay, I'm sorry.
The only magic bullet for a consistently overwhelming home field advantage is good teams. Period.
The atmosphere, crowds, yells, everything else is ancillary to the product on the field. Opponents (especially in the modern era of cfb) are professionals in nearly every sense of the word. It gives me great pride to do yells at the top of my lungs and belt out the Aggie War Hymn, but that has no more affect on the actual game than doing it at an NFL game. Thinking otherwise is naive.
If opponents can walk into Kyle and know that your defense isn't good enough to stop them on 3rd and long if they execute, it doesn't matter how loud you yell or how long you stay, I'm sorry.
Posted on 10/12/14 at 12:36 pm to TbirdSpur2010
Honestly the yells never did much. The point of the crowd is to distract on the field. A Superdome with Cajuns yelling as loud as they can does WAY more than chanting Beat The Hell Outta in open air Kyle.
I mean, what do we expect? Some QB misses a snap count because he is trying to decipher our cute lyrics?
Actually yelling AAAAAA on third down does something. Every practiced yell does jack shite in comparison. IT IS THERE FOR OUR EXPERIENCE! Not to help win the game. Loud Noise helps win the game.
If we are being honest its all part of the bigger lie we Aggies tell ourselves. The yells help when they don't. The Aggie nation is a family except when its not. The Junction Boys kick arse for getting their asses kicked even though they never won anything (yeah I went there).
Good teams have full stadiums. End of story. Heck people act like Oregon is some intimidating place to play because of the crowd, but that crowd is small. Oregon is an intimidating place to play because the team has been good for five years.
I mean, what do we expect? Some QB misses a snap count because he is trying to decipher our cute lyrics?
Actually yelling AAAAAA on third down does something. Every practiced yell does jack shite in comparison. IT IS THERE FOR OUR EXPERIENCE! Not to help win the game. Loud Noise helps win the game.
If we are being honest its all part of the bigger lie we Aggies tell ourselves. The yells help when they don't. The Aggie nation is a family except when its not. The Junction Boys kick arse for getting their asses kicked even though they never won anything (yeah I went there).
Good teams have full stadiums. End of story. Heck people act like Oregon is some intimidating place to play because of the crowd, but that crowd is small. Oregon is an intimidating place to play because the team has been good for five years.
Posted on 10/12/14 at 1:01 pm to cardboardboxer
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Actually yelling AAAAAA on third down does something. Every practiced yell does jack shite in comparison. IT IS THERE FOR OUR EXPERIENCE! Not to help win the game.
This.
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If we are being honest its all part of the bigger lie we Aggies tell ourselves. The yells help when they don't. The Aggie nation is a family except when its not. The Junction Boys kick arse for getting their asses kicked even though they never won anything (yeah I went there).
Preach.
And that's not to say Aggies are hypocrites. I bleed fricking maroon and get misty eyed when the FTAB strikes up. But guess what? There are plenty of special places/universities and others who feel just as strongly about the culture their school creates. It becomes problematic for some when they think that the team's success is directly attributable to the culture. If they're winning, it's because they're good, not because of an Aggie Spirit power-up. If they're losing, it damn sure not because of fans/alumni not bringing enough Aggie Spirit.
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people act like Oregon is some intimidating place to play because of the crowd, but that crowd is small. Oregon is an intimidating place to play because the team has been good for five years.
Yup. And I'll take it a step further: did Baylor all of a sudden "get it" and start getting passionate fans? Nope. Team is winning, and now those fans who weren't showing up to Floyd Casey Stadium are packing McLane Stadium because they have something to cheer for, and THAT adds to the aura of having a winning team.
Posted on 10/12/14 at 1:11 pm to TbirdSpur2010
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And that's not to say Aggies are hypocrites. I bleed fricking maroon and get misty eyed when the FTAB strikes up. But guess what? There are plenty of special places/universities and others who feel just as strongly about the culture their school creates. It becomes problematic for some when they think that the team's success is directly attributable to the culture. If they're winning, it's because they're good, not because of an Aggie Spirit power-up. If they're losing, it damn sure not because of fans/alumni not bringing enough Aggie Spirit.
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You nailed it there TBird. We learned in the 00's that all the desires of the fans in the stadium can't make the team play better, and all the traditions we create aren't what people mean when they say "tradition" in college football. They mean a tradition of winning, ala Bama. Notre Dame, etc.
We do a lot right. Our yells DO increase the quality of the student experience, and because of them we don't have a student participation problem even really winning programs like Bama have. Our tightness DOES allow us to pull together and get things done (like the stadium), and our inflated self-opinion allows us to go further than our "betters" assume we can (ala SEC move). I wouldn't trade all we have for all of what anyone else has.
With that said, I am willing to admit Kyle Field is, and has been always overrated. Maybe, just maybe, a finished version hosting a national title winning type of team will leave up to the promise. But until then the fans has done all they can. The stage is built and set. Time for someone to step up.
I think it will be Kyler, kids a winner.
Posted on 10/12/14 at 1:19 pm to TbirdSpur2010
The magic comes from the team and crowd feeding off of each other. The whole is greater than the sum of the parts. Once we get our defense up to an above average/elite state, we will have the magic again.
Posted on 10/12/14 at 1:19 pm to cardboardboxer
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We do a lot right. Our yells DO increase the quality of the student experience, and because of them we don't have a student participation problem even really winning programs like Bama have. Our tightness DOES allow us to pull together and get things done (like the stadium), and our inflated self-opinion allows us to go further than our "betters" assume we can (ala SEC move). I wouldn't trade all we have for all of what anyone else has.
Absofreakinglutely
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Maybe, just maybe, a finished version hosting a national title winning type of team will leave up to the promise. But until then the fans has done all they can. The stage is built and set. Time for someone to step up.
Yessir.
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