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Posted on 10/12/14 at 1:25 pm to AggieHank86
A&M is a major university now, not all of the 38000 students are corps or lifetime aggies, most of them are there for a degree and more specifically to watch a football game.
Crowd noise does very little to actually intimidate the other team, especially, especially when you're running roughshod over the defense. Our defense needs to communicate just as much as the offense, so the noise isn't a super factor there either. The noise best affects the game to demoralize the other team when they're getting smashed in the mouth, but without the physical end it's nothing. Also I think the constant noise on defense then almost silence on offense deflates the stadium. Our offense practices in loud music, thrives at loud away games, and sputters in the pressure of silence.
Crowd noise does very little to actually intimidate the other team, especially, especially when you're running roughshod over the defense. Our defense needs to communicate just as much as the offense, so the noise isn't a super factor there either. The noise best affects the game to demoralize the other team when they're getting smashed in the mouth, but without the physical end it's nothing. Also I think the constant noise on defense then almost silence on offense deflates the stadium. Our offense practices in loud music, thrives at loud away games, and sputters in the pressure of silence.
Posted on 10/12/14 at 1:27 pm to cardboardboxer
quote:these arguments are so full of red herrings that I can smell the ocean from here.
the Yells
Of COURSE, the scripted yells are not especially intimidating in themselves. Hell, we don't even DO them at a time they might interfere with play. Just like marching in lines and chanting while running does not work to directly win a battle.
What both DO is create a bond ... an esprit d' corps ... Which CAN make a difference.
In my many years watching the Aggies, I have seen numerous penalties for delay and for false start, caused DIRECTLY by the noise of the 12th Man. Anyone who claims otherwise is either uninformed or lying.
Posted on 10/12/14 at 1:29 pm to AggieHank86
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What both DO is create a bond ... an esprit d' corps ... Which CAN make a difference.
Maybe. Maybe not. We have never won a modern national title, so I think anything we had in the 80's was obviously overrated.
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In my many years watching the Aggies, I have seen numerous penalties for delay and for false start, caused DIRECTLY by the noise of the 12th Man. Anyone who claims otherwise is either uninformed or lying.
No one said that. We are not special though in that regard. LSU stadium, for example, does it better.
This post was edited on 10/12/14 at 1:35 pm
Posted on 10/12/14 at 1:40 pm to Nguyening
Well Hank, aside from all the truth flying back and forth in here(and it is all the truth). I still agree with you. Times have changed. There is still "a spirit that can ne'er be told" but it is a different culture and environment, than it was 20-25 years ago. It is what it is! I for one though, will continue to tell my kids of the "magic", that lives in Kyle Field and how we "helped" the dear old Texas Aggies, win all those games when I was in school, back in the 80's and 90's. Until they're old enough to witness reality for themselves, I'm perfectly fine with the idea, that we CAN make a difference.
Posted on 10/12/14 at 1:46 pm to AggieHank86
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these arguments are so full of red herrings that I can smell the ocean from here.
The very suggestion that team performance is tied to the level of engagement from the crowd is a red herring, tbh.
I love our environment. Our student section is the best in the country. When Kyle is rocking (like it was to start the game), it's amazing.
But the team has to do their part to give the crowd something to cheer about so the crowd can in turn keep giving the team something to feed off of. It works both ways.
Esprit d' corps is a wonderful thing, but it has precious little to do with winning football games.
Posted on 10/12/14 at 1:49 pm to Motengator
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There is still "a spirit that can ne'er be told" but it is a different culture and environment, than it was 20-25 years ago.
Yup, and that's not necessarily a bad thing.
The environment will be different 25 years from now, too. The Spirit is not bound by a particular era, nor does any change in school culture necessarily mean that it is dying.
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Posted on 10/12/14 at 1:51 pm to TbirdSpur2010
Agreed
Posted on 10/12/14 at 5:21 pm to Motengator
Posted on 10/12/14 at 7:57 pm to Motengator
As if right on cue...
College football best home field advantages. This is a coaches poll, not fans or media.
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College football best home field advantages. This is a coaches poll, not fans or media.
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Posted on 10/13/14 at 7:31 am to betweenthebara
By aggies, probably. As embarrassing as those crowd shots were, though, of people leaving late in the game, they also showed one of the things I'm most proud of Kyle field. The largest student section in the country was still packed. I've never meet a d1 scholarship football player, so I don't know if that makes a difference to them. If it was me on the field down by 3 touchdowns, I would be a lot less likely to give in when I looked up and saw 30,000+ of my peers that still believed we had a chance. That's not gonna be enough of an advantage to win every game, but I would think it makes a difference.
Posted on 10/13/14 at 7:57 am to AggieHank86
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The crowd "checked-out" early last night becuase they were a "brand" crowd, not a "family" crowd. A "family" crowd stays in the game regardless.
I might amend this across the country and differentiate it as "friends and family" crowd being replaced by "corporations and scalpers" crowd. NCAA rallied against scalpers for years, now they are fully in bed with the likes of Stub Hob and Ticketmaster.
(Face Value + Donation) x 1.3 Stub Hub markup = Too damn expensive for a family of 4
When the Baby Boomers die off - and they are the bulk of donors - they will kill the golden goose of college football. Then it will go back to Rome where the corporate guys have "enclosures" while the rest of the place becomes a ghost town.
Posted on 10/13/14 at 11:38 am to Pilgrim Shadow
Here here!
Posted on 10/13/14 at 12:37 pm to TbirdSpur2010
it gets old losing the big games at home every time. If we lose to LSU I would say we haven't won a big one since Sumlin has been here.
Posted on 10/13/14 at 12:56 pm to Pilgrim Shadow
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By aggies, probably. As embarrassing as those crowd shots were, though, of people leaving late in the game, they also showed one of the things I'm most proud of Kyle field. The largest student section in the country was still packed. I've never meet a d1 scholarship football player, so I don't know if that makes a difference to them. If it was me on the field down by 3 touchdowns, I would be a lot less likely to give in when I looked up and saw 30,000+ of my peers that still believed we had a chance. That's not gonna be enough of an advantage to win every game, but I would think it makes a difference.
I agree with that. You could hear the yells pretty clearly and loudly on TV late in the game. That made me proud and happy for the future the students stuck it out.
What really will make a difference is in 10 years when we still pack 100,000+ while everyone else is downscaling because our young alums want to be involved.
Posted on 10/13/14 at 1:18 pm to betweenthebara
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"@olemisspix: easily the loudest stadium I've ever been to. By far"
Tweet from Ole Miss' photographer. Kyle Field was rocking. The problem was Ole Miss kicked our arse early and never let up
Posted on 10/13/14 at 1:22 pm to Houston Summit
I think it has been touched on here but home field advantage can only do so much to close the gap in a teams weaknesses vs the opponents strength.
SC had an 18 game win streak. Yes it made it more difficult for plays to get in, some players on the other team may find it nerve-racking.. but we were also a really good team. We're not a good team this year. The Aggies strength matched up perfectly with our biggest weakness and we got hammered.
Look at UTe. They've had a 100,000+ stadium for how long? Does it help? Yeah, especially when they're already fielding a good football team like they used to have, but that home field advantage has meant nothing if the product on the field just isn't that good.
SC had an 18 game win streak. Yes it made it more difficult for plays to get in, some players on the other team may find it nerve-racking.. but we were also a really good team. We're not a good team this year. The Aggies strength matched up perfectly with our biggest weakness and we got hammered.
Look at UTe. They've had a 100,000+ stadium for how long? Does it help? Yeah, especially when they're already fielding a good football team like they used to have, but that home field advantage has meant nothing if the product on the field just isn't that good.
Posted on 10/13/14 at 1:31 pm to theGarnetWay
Agree 100% with everything you said
Posted on 10/13/14 at 1:32 pm to Houston Summit
We've learned the hard way this year that 80,000 fans can't defend a WR that is 20 yards away from the nearest DB.
Posted on 10/13/14 at 1:46 pm to theGarnetWay
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Look at UTe. They've had a 100,000+ stadium for how long? Does it help? Yeah, especially when they're already fielding a good football team like they used to have, but that home field advantage has meant nothing if the product on the field just isn't that good.
Yup, same goes for Michigan
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