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re: Friend in the AD just sent me this text (Spav/Murray)
Posted on 10/24/15 at 10:55 pm to Intheheartoftexas
Posted on 10/24/15 at 10:55 pm to Intheheartoftexas
I think yall need several things bud. Quality linebackers, a power run game, and imo I don't think Kyle Allen is yalls guy, I guess an OC from what I'm reading as well
. Before yall hate on me I'm perfectly willing to tell yall why I think we lose to Bama and our issues.
After saying that,tough break tonight but regardless yall are going to come into Baton Rouge and raise hell. Sumlin will have your guys ready. I have no doubt our game will be close with little remaining in the 4th. Yall try to take it easy tonight. I know the burn my friends
. Before yall hate on me I'm perfectly willing to tell yall why I think we lose to Bama and our issues.
After saying that,tough break tonight but regardless yall are going to come into Baton Rouge and raise hell. Sumlin will have your guys ready. I have no doubt our game will be close with little remaining in the 4th. Yall try to take it easy tonight. I know the burn my friends
Posted on 10/24/15 at 10:56 pm to AgBQ00
We honestly don't have the personnel. We don't have the RB or the TE to do it. We don't have an interior OL to block it.
Honestly, no scheme or play works if you can't take a 3 step drop without getting hit or your RB gets hit in the backfield. I think we've got to take a hard look at the OL and quit trying to get some of these upperclassmen to play.
Ole Miss has a good fast defense but that was just awful. I'm not sure if anyone on the OL is going to grade out over 60.
Honestly, no scheme or play works if you can't take a 3 step drop without getting hit or your RB gets hit in the backfield. I think we've got to take a hard look at the OL and quit trying to get some of these upperclassmen to play.
Ole Miss has a good fast defense but that was just awful. I'm not sure if anyone on the OL is going to grade out over 60.
Posted on 10/24/15 at 10:57 pm to Intheheartoftexas
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Why does it seem like we're always 1-2 years away?
Because we are always 3 to 5 years away and when we don't meet those expectations nobody wants to come here and play. Thus the cycle starts over again.
Posted on 10/24/15 at 10:57 pm to tmc94
I don't have issue with most of the play calling. But the preparation and development is not there, and no one has given me anyone else to attribute the problem to other than the single person who is accountable for all phases of our offense. And now we learn that a very good player is having problems with our OC as well, meanwhile our elite starting QB threw over 20 incompletions in a row and really just looked like he was out there not to throw another pick six. Not to mention he is the first FBS 1-A player to throw three pick sixes in a game since 2008.
It's not just abysmal, it's over. Change needs to come, quickly.
On kyker - Kyler may be entitled but he has a point, we are putting him in situations to fail and that's exactly what he has done. We shouldn't coddle him and we shouldn't tolerate his BS, but he might not be as difficult if we weren't making it impossible for him to have any success.
It's not just abysmal, it's over. Change needs to come, quickly.
On kyker - Kyler may be entitled but he has a point, we are putting him in situations to fail and that's exactly what he has done. We shouldn't coddle him and we shouldn't tolerate his BS, but he might not be as difficult if we weren't making it impossible for him to have any success.
Posted on 10/24/15 at 10:59 pm to CajunTiger_225
Sorry, all. I'm just not good at melting. My time is normally spent pumping sunshine. But tonight, I can find any to pump. Had Hubanek started, we might have had a shot. I disagree that it was an entire team effort tonight. We held Ole Miss 20 points below their season average, and still got blown out. Sure, there were guys who had off nights. But the night Kyle Allen had light years beyond an off night. Have a game manager at QB the last two weeks and we're in tight ones at the end. Spav is the QB coach. Is he not accountable for developing these guys?
Posted on 10/24/15 at 10:59 pm to tmc94
Are the people on campus? Or are we really just a Mish mash of guys trying to make chicken salad outta chicken shite?
Posted on 10/24/15 at 11:00 pm to tmc94
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tbird can you delete the above
Which one?
Posted on 10/24/15 at 11:00 pm to AgBQ00
It all starts with the OLine, and they are not on campus yet. A few are, but not a cohesive unit.
Posted on 10/24/15 at 11:00 pm to tmc94
quote:Yeah, this has been bugging me since the Arkansas game and I think if Spav gets canned this year he'll be paying the price for BJ's sins.
Honestly, no scheme or play works if you can't take a 3 step drop without getting hit or your RB gets hit in the backfield. I think we've got to take a hard look at the OL and quit trying to get some of these upperclassmen to play.
Ole Miss has a good fast defense but that was just awful. I'm not sure if anyone on the OL is going to grade out over 60.
Posted on 10/24/15 at 11:02 pm to Old Sarge
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Art Briles would cut off his left nut to have the talent on offense we have
The right guy could do great stuff
This is the shame of it all.
Posted on 10/24/15 at 11:03 pm to Roger Klarvin
This makes Sumlin's comments about the team fracturin after the Alabama loss.. I thought it was odd he'd say that after the first loss of the season but it makes sense this is exactly what he was referring to.
Posted on 10/24/15 at 11:04 pm to TbirdSpur2010
Yeah, when you look at what guys like Gary Pinkel, Art Briles, and this year Jim Harbaugh have done with lesser talent, it makes me wonder why we keep saying we have to stack another 15 top 10 recruiting classes before we have a shot. At some point, we can't keep beating the recruiting drum; at some point we've got to look at coaching/development.
Posted on 10/24/15 at 11:04 pm to Jobu93
I mentioned in the Pulse thread that that really stood out to me. I chalked it up to looking back to last year. Hmmm
Posted on 10/24/15 at 11:09 pm to Warrior Poet
problems don't materialize overnight. You can't magically fix them. Also, Kyler came to A&M solely because of Spav so let's not act like it's Spav's fault now. Murray and Sumlin weren't even on talking terms by the end
no, he really doesn't have a point. You aren't going to be put in the game when it's close and Kyle is rolling. He's the backup. That's how it works.
And his INT vs Bama was the most ridiculous throw I've ever seen. It pisses me off just thinking of it. There was zero pressure and Kirk had 15 yards of separation and he threw a lazy HS pass (like he often does in practice and gets yelled at for). That's not on Spav or anyone else but Kyler
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Kyler may be entitled but he has a point, we are putting him in situations to fail and that's exactly what he has done.
no, he really doesn't have a point. You aren't going to be put in the game when it's close and Kyle is rolling. He's the backup. That's how it works.
And his INT vs Bama was the most ridiculous throw I've ever seen. It pisses me off just thinking of it. There was zero pressure and Kirk had 15 yards of separation and he threw a lazy HS pass (like he often does in practice and gets yelled at for). That's not on Spav or anyone else but Kyler
Posted on 10/24/15 at 11:10 pm to TbirdSpur2010
he took care of it himself. It's cool
Posted on 10/24/15 at 11:10 pm to AgBQ00
I had not heard about the blowup (busy week) until I jumped on here after the game. It was so obvious Murray was in the doghouse during the game. From Harris coming over and asking "Why aren't you in?" to Sumlin's reluctance to pull him to what seemed to be like apathy from several of the receivers (I even wondered, "Are they trying to drop them/make Allen look bad?") on the few passes Allen threw that should have been caught. I told my wife, "Murray is in the doghouse for something." In hindsight, given what apparently is going on, it appears Allen is feeling the pressure and crumbling under it. There's no telling how bad this gets. I could see us dropping to Auburn or Vandy if this doesn't get corrected fast. Why have we had consecutive years of fractured locker rooms?
Posted on 10/24/15 at 11:13 pm to tmc94
Alrighty then
Sorry, things are blowing up hard and fast here, on TA, and on social media and I'm trying to keep up
Sorry, things are blowing up hard and fast here, on TA, and on social media and I'm trying to keep up
Posted on 10/24/15 at 11:15 pm to tmc94
Then explain how our defense improved overnight. Explain how we are still making plays despite being as thin at linebacker as I can ever remember.
I know that our oline problems won't be fixed overnight, but that does not excuse our offense. The air raid is flexible, and a number of teams have run it successfully in the past despite having an incomplete oline. We can play better than this and that is on spav, because as I've said no one else has shown me anyone (other than Anderson who is gone) who is at fault for it.
I don't think murray's problems are spav's fault, I'm only saying Murray does have a point. If he's half assing it in practice, then why did we keep playing him? It's inconsistent. He is a talented player and needs to be reigned in, not turned loose.
His INT was on him against Bama, but it was obvious that he was trying to create a play that wasn't there because he knows he's only in for a single series. IHe forced a bad throw based on inexperience and a desire to stay in the game for longer than four downs at a time. As I've said before, he made similar mistakes in HS, and would often bounce back from such mistakes similar to manziel. It's a chaotic play stile, but it's who Kyler is to a large extent.
I know that our oline problems won't be fixed overnight, but that does not excuse our offense. The air raid is flexible, and a number of teams have run it successfully in the past despite having an incomplete oline. We can play better than this and that is on spav, because as I've said no one else has shown me anyone (other than Anderson who is gone) who is at fault for it.
I don't think murray's problems are spav's fault, I'm only saying Murray does have a point. If he's half assing it in practice, then why did we keep playing him? It's inconsistent. He is a talented player and needs to be reigned in, not turned loose.
His INT was on him against Bama, but it was obvious that he was trying to create a play that wasn't there because he knows he's only in for a single series. IHe forced a bad throw based on inexperience and a desire to stay in the game for longer than four downs at a time. As I've said before, he made similar mistakes in HS, and would often bounce back from such mistakes similar to manziel. It's a chaotic play stile, but it's who Kyler is to a large extent.
This post was edited on 10/24/15 at 11:20 pm
Posted on 10/24/15 at 11:18 pm to Intheheartoftexas
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guys like Gary Pinkel, Art Briles, and this year Jim Harbaugh
tbf, all 3 of those guys started off losing in low pressure jobs. They were given the time to develop players without any pressure to win. It's why many people like that fail when they move to other, bigger jobs (obviously Harbaugh hasn't but the list is very long). None of those guys would have made it out of year 3 at A&M with their results
Posted on 10/24/15 at 11:25 pm to Intheheartoftexas
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I meant this tongue in cheek:
Fire Spav and we instantly become contenders for a division crown
Obviously we'd have to hire a competent OC. But we DID become defensively legitimate overnight by firing our DC and getting one who knows what he's doing. There's $500B spent on a new stadium, paid primarily by butts in seats the first 5 years (capital contribution). We have a lot riding on having a team that shows improvement. That's well worth and extra $1M for an established OC.
Why does it seem like we're always 1-2 years away?
I actually agree with you. We dropped 500 million on the stadium, 5/year on Sumlin, 1.6/year on Chavis... Just ante up and pay a top 5 OC 1.5. it's too late to get cheap.
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