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Posted on 6/22/16 at 10:39 am to Roger Klarvin
Posted on 6/22/16 at 10:39 am to Roger Klarvin
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Think 2013 without Manziel scoring 40 every week.
Chavis isn't going to put out a defense anywhere near as bad as Snyder did. You try to come off as smart, but you say a lot of dumb things.
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Posted on 6/22/16 at 10:44 am to NanosTacoRun
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Diesch?
Recruited as a right tackle, hopefully can make the transition. We put all our eggs in the Greg Little basket at LT.
Posted on 6/22/16 at 10:47 am to NanosTacoRun
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Chavis isn't going to put out a defense anywhere near as bad as Snyder did.
Chavis can only do so much, our run defense was still shite last year because our upper class DTs played poorly and our LB play was awful. Our pass rush and safety play will be huge problems in 2017.
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You try to come off as smart, but you say a lot of dumb things.
I'm not tying to sound smart, I'm laying out things as I see them.
Posted on 6/22/16 at 10:50 am to Roger Klarvin
Still waiting on that inside info on Sumlin's secrets
Posted on 6/22/16 at 10:54 am to Roger Klarvin
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Recruited as a right tackle, hopefully can make the transition. We put all our eggs in the Greg Little basket at LT.
And when little decommitted, we moved on one of the top tackles in the nation.
Between Diesch, Elbert, Koda, McCollum and the other 6 FR/SO, I'm confident Turner can put something out there that doesn't get us destroyed. We likely won't be great at that position, but I bet we're serviceable
Posted on 6/22/16 at 11:04 am to Roger Klarvin
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Chavis can only do so much, our run defense was still shite last year because our upper class DTs played poorly and our LB play was awful. Our pass rush and safety play will be huge problems in 2017.
Pass rush is a very big concern, as Jarrett and Qualen haven't shown much of anything so far in 2 years. Outside of Alton Robinson turning into a stud or us landing a high level JUCO DE in the 2017 class, we'll probably be weak at that position. Having said that, it will almost certainly be better than the Obioha/Stansbury combo we had in '13.
And we have no clue who will be playing safety, and the only way we don't have proven players in 2017 is if they all play insanely well this year. If that's the case, it just further proves that Chavis can be counted on to produce a good secondary.
Thinking we'll be anything close to 2013-levels of bad is insane. There was zero talent and even less coaching.
This post was edited on 6/22/16 at 11:07 am
Posted on 6/22/16 at 11:11 am to FleurDeLonestar
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10 wins is pretty good.
Great is make the playoffs regardless of result.
I mean 11 wins or the playoffs or a SEC West title or whatever would be great. I am not measuring this season by national standards though, I am thinking about what we need as a program to survive. Thriving can come after that.
I think it takes 10 wins (or more) to for certain turn our recruiting around to where we need it to be for Sumlin to survive past 2017. Maybe 9 wins does it but it's not certain. Depends on who we beat.
I don't think it happens at all with 8 wins, we will sign a barely top 20 class if that happens. Eight wins will be our purgatory because we won't fire Sumlin and we won't get the recruits we need. It's almost the worst possible scenario but also a likely one which is scary.
If the recruiting doesn't pull a 180 on some of the top kids in the state then this amazing staff Sumlin put together (if that is the narrative) is just a dead man walking no matter what. The clock is ticking, so if we burn off three more Big 12 GOR years for nothing we will never get that time back. Those fricking QBs leaving unnecessarily raised the stakes and now we need a better than average season to clear the deck.
Posted on 6/22/16 at 11:22 am to cardboardboxer
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If the recruiting doesn't pull a 180 on some of the top kids in the state
This is one of the most frustrating parts of all this. Sumlin & Co. were all in on #WRTS and now they're getting their asses handed to them. Mond/Ausbon would be a great start, but beyond that, I'm not sure what else is even likely to go our way.
This post was edited on 6/22/16 at 11:23 am
Posted on 6/22/16 at 11:24 am to Projectpat
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Still waiting on that inside info on Sumlin's secrets
I already posted a good bit back in January and specifically said some stuff simply can't be posted while he's still the HC.
Posted on 6/22/16 at 12:00 pm to NanosTacoRun
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This is one of the most frustrating parts of all this. Sumlin & Co. were all in on #WRTS and now they're getting their asses handed to them.
Shows how fickle recruiting is.
Sumlin did a great job crafting this image of A&M as this cool modern organization that 18 year old men wanted to be a part of. I will give him credit for that.
But the problem was it was a tenuous lie- the image Sumlin put forth was slick and urban and pretty much 100% everything Texas A&M culturally is not. When some bad press came our way via the QBs leaving we weren't in a position to defend that mirage anymore and it popped like a bubble. We need wins to build a new bubble basically, any momentum from his tenure so far has been lost.
Honestly the more painful realization from the whole experience isn't that maybe we wasted time with Sumlin (they can't take 2012 from us), it is having to face how difficult it is for any coach to sell A&M's actual (conservative) culture to recruits as it is. We have to completely control the message or a little bit of negative recruiting sinks our ship by putting a hole in it. I don't see how we ever get to a point where we are really successful while simultaneously representing who we truly are without having a coach like a Nick Saban that can 100% recruit on their reputation alone. That depresses me way more than 59-0 ever did.
Posted on 6/22/16 at 12:09 pm to cardboardboxer
As I've said before, we may be in the pathetic (but very aggy) position one day to be forced to admit that 2012 was actually bad for the program in the long run. If Sumlin doesnt strike gold with Manziel and an incredibly injury free year (we had no depth) he never gets that huge guaranteed contract and probably gets fired after last year given all the turmoil he created.
Sumlin is still here entirely because of 2012 and the contractual implications of that season. That season may ultimately do more harm than good if Sumlin continues dragging our name through the mud.
Sumlin is still here entirely because of 2012 and the contractual implications of that season. That season may ultimately do more harm than good if Sumlin continues dragging our name through the mud.
Posted on 6/22/16 at 12:16 pm to Roger Klarvin
Roger, I get what you are saying and normally I like a big picture perspective but at the same time I can't just throw out our best season since 1956.
There is no guarantee we don't replace Sumlin with someone worse no matter what (every coaching hire is a crapshoot), but 2012 is why we have a massive stadium, and more national exposure and a facility gap between us and OU that is almost impossible for them to overcome.
The only thing I am willing to admit retrospectively is that I am glad JFF left when he did and didn't drag us down with him. We won't have the lifetime what-if of "what if he would have stayed until senior year," that would have been a real disaster.
But saying 2012 was bad for us really feels like a huge denial of where we were in the college football world before 2012.
There is no guarantee we don't replace Sumlin with someone worse no matter what (every coaching hire is a crapshoot), but 2012 is why we have a massive stadium, and more national exposure and a facility gap between us and OU that is almost impossible for them to overcome.
The only thing I am willing to admit retrospectively is that I am glad JFF left when he did and didn't drag us down with him. We won't have the lifetime what-if of "what if he would have stayed until senior year," that would have been a real disaster.
But saying 2012 was bad for us really feels like a huge denial of where we were in the college football world before 2012.
Posted on 6/22/16 at 12:17 pm to Roger Klarvin
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some stuff simply can't be posted while he's still the HC.
Convenient, especially now that he's still our HC after he was for sure getting fired earlier this year.
Posted on 6/22/16 at 12:31 pm to Projectpat
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Convenient
Given that it validates just about everything I believe about him, I'd say it's decidedly inconvenient for me.
I'll say what I said back then: When he is eventually fired (a virtual certainty barring a dramatic turnaround in both his coaching ability and management style) the stuff that will come out in the ensuing months and years will have those currently supporting him regretting ever doing.
He's not Art Briles bad, but he is a man of very poor character and relatively low work ethnic compared to his peers.
This post was edited on 6/22/16 at 12:34 pm
Posted on 6/22/16 at 12:38 pm to cardboardboxer
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But the problem was it was a tenuous lie- the image Sumlin put forth was slick and urban and pretty much 100% everything Texas A&M culturally is not. When some bad press came our way via the QBs leaving we weren't in a position to defend that mirage anymore and it popped like a bubble. We need wins to build a new bubble basically, any momentum from his tenure so far has been lost.
I don't buy this, at all. Sumlin bungled the DC position for 3 years, and the OC position for 3 years. And the locker room was a mess for 3 straight years, especially at the most important position on the team. Then, based on reading the tea leaves, our bag got scared at the exact moment when UT and Ole Miss's stepped up. That's why we're now getting our butts kicked on the recruiting trail, not because of an urban-vs-rural issue.
We'll never be the darling program in the state, but I don't blame our conservative culture for our failures. I blame our football culture of not really knowing what we're doing when playing with the big dogs. We don't know how to handle the media, we don't know how to handle contracts, we don't know how to handle TX HS coaches/AAU-type handlers and we placed too much faith in Sumlin to hire the right assistants.
This post was edited on 6/22/16 at 12:41 pm
Posted on 6/22/16 at 12:39 pm to Roger Klarvin
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I'll say what I said back then: When he is eventually fired (a virtual certainty barring a dramatic turnaround in both his coaching ability and management style) the stuff that will come out in the ensuing months and years will have those currently supporting him regretting ever doing.
So you are predicting we will unfairly demonize the guy after he leaves based on hearsay character flaws?
That is quite a bold prediction, Aggies never do that.
Posted on 6/22/16 at 12:43 pm to Roger Klarvin
2012 wasn't bad, no matter the impact on the following years, Aggies needed 2012 desperately. I wouldn't take it back
Posted on 6/22/16 at 12:44 pm to cardboardboxer
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So you are predicting we will unfairly demonize the guy after he leaves based on hearsay character flaws?
It wont be hearsay and there will be nothing unfair about it.
Posted on 6/22/16 at 12:50 pm to Roger Klarvin
You may as well not post here until he is fired if you think a good year season that keeps him around is so awful.
I mean, why waste your time complaining about a guy you hate so much if you are going to do it regardless of the team winning or losing?
I mean, why waste your time complaining about a guy you hate so much if you are going to do it regardless of the team winning or losing?
This post was edited on 6/22/16 at 12:52 pm
Posted on 6/22/16 at 12:51 pm to Roger Klarvin
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It wont be hearsay
There will be documented proof of his villainy that will be revealed for all? Another newsletter reported on by CBSsports.com? That sounds unlikely.
A settlement that puts a lid on such information plus a lot of Texags hearsay sounds WAY more likely.
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there will be nothing unfair about it.
If Sumlin is such a bad guy that he will be legitimately and retrospectively seen as unacceptable in 2018 then we should move to fire him now Baylor-style today. The fact that your course of events requires him to completely fail in football before his personal flaws can have repercussions is pretty much the definition of unfairness. It's on us for tolerating him this long if it's all true.
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